Marbury playing in China this season, proves he wouldve been a big piece off the Knicks bench last season to add with bench players Nate & Chandler.
Thanks to Dantoni putting players into his "DNP" dog-house for two seasons, that Walsh traded all Isiah's players (plus 3 first round draft picks) for this fake H.S. team roster of tier-3 and 4 players that makes the Knicks a D.League team.
Read the clarity of the article above (Nike dont want to be apart of a failure franchise). u mention if Lebron or Wade was on the Knicks.....ha ha ha....they both would do the samething Ron Artest did to Donnie Walsh on the Indiana Pacers "demand to be traded". When Artest left the Pacers.....the Pacers became BUMS.
u mentioning players like Duhon (Damntoni selection) and Harrington (Walsh selection), Duhon need a backcourt partner like Marbury, Nate, or Crawful, and Harrington need to be in a frontcourt with Zach & Lee, or Lee & Balkman.
I gave the Knicks a "C-" minus on the 2009 trade deadline, and a big "F" for the 2010 trade deadline.
What did u give the Knicks for their transaction in both trading deadlines?
Dantoni did wrong by Steph, I agree. But Steph was not going to lead this team anywhere. Now thats my opinion so it doesnt hold water but saying that he would have lead this team falls on deaf ears when he had his chance to lead this team before Dantoni, his attitude is hindering to his own and his teammates progress. You realize the only major drama this year was basketball related. Marbury please, Isiah (the guys who brought him hear) barely played him the th 4th qtr of games. That says something.
Yea Dantoni dished out a lot on DNPs but can you really say that those players were too important to keep off the court. Hughes, Nate, Duhon, that played well in portions of the season, then its nothing from them.
All the moves are made for this summer, now all those player we acquired, are gone.
I think you REALLY underestimate how bad this team is. Its been 6 years since Isiah's hire,, and its the same team, same result, 5-6 different coaches. The NBA like to fire coaches left and right, and the bad teams are still the same bad teams.
ONLY GREATNESS EQUALS GREATNESS
Yeah - don't most of the Team USA players have nothing but good things to say about D'Antoni?
This is coming from the same guy who says we have talent good enough and could have a winning % of .450....why the contradicitons? Is "tier 3 or 4" talent good enough to achieve that?Thanks to Dantoni putting players into his "DNP" dog-house for two seasons, that Walsh traded all Isiah's players (plus 3 first round draft picks) for this fake H.S. team roster of tier-3 and 4 players that makes the Knicks a D.League team.
Most certainly not.
Cut the D'Antoni bias and start living in reality. It's almost as if you aren't a Knicks fan. You bash our current players, and personel's every move, claiming that your opinion would bring the Knicks to a ".450" record and a playoff spot.
Spike still runs the garden.
I don't think anybody can rationally blame D'Antoni's failures on our team's records. Let's face it - we suck. Our players are terrible, none of them is any good, and they're overpaid and don't care. Our team going 29-53 is hardly surprising - I mean, who thought we were actually going somewhere? To blame D'Antoni for the Knicks sucking would be silly - I doubt any coach could've done better.
But I CAN blame D'Antoni for making stupid moves that aren't conducive to our team's future. D'Antoni played Chris Duhon for half the season while he should've been playing Toney Douglas (cause, let's face it, Duhon sucks). D'Antoni was starting David Lee at center when he could've put David Lee at PF and put the better defensive player JORDAN HILL in at Center. D'Antoni was starting David Lee at center against big men like Dwight Howard when he could've been playing DARKO, who is an excellent shotblocker and defensive center.
You can't blame D'Antoni for losing - our players suck, and Phil Jackson couldn't have coached this team to a .500 record. But there's no excuse for letting our rookies sit there on the bench and rot away while we're playing veterans who have no part in being part of our team. Developing our youth was ALWAYS more important than making it to the playoffs (LOL playoffs), 2009 wasn't important, it was 2010 that REALLY mattered.
Now, instead of having a decent team, we let the likes of Jordan Hill slip away to Arizona (where he's shown himself to be a good shotblocker and rebounder even though he's been given limited time), we forced the likes of Darko out of New York to Minnesota where he's been an excellent shotblocker and defensive center for them, we played Chris Duhon for half the season when Toney Douglas proved himself to be a superior player as soon as he got regular playing time, and now we've got some problems.
Doesn't seem to make sense.
Point being that you can't blame D'Antoni for our team's abysmal record.
You CAN, however, blame D'Antoni for all those DNP-CD you saw next to Jordan Hill and Darko's names. Even my dad was wondering why Darko never played and D'Antoni was dressing a 6-8 natural PF as our starting center instead of a shotblocking 7 footer
6 million per year for having no reason to why his team doesn't play hard enough to win basketball games and compete.
6 million a year to teach no defense whatsoever just like he did in Phoenix.
6 million a year to show that Mike D's "genius offensive mind" is all about chucking up shots and driving to pass out to anyone on a three point line, basically playing the opposite of aggresive basketball by drawing fouls and driving towards the hoop for high percentage shots.
O yea we can't blame Mike D.
The CEO of a failing company should always get the pass.
"The Knicks are back" - Amare
To be honest, I gave Mike D credit for winning 29 games this year. Take these factors, most of which have already been mentioned, into consideration:
1) Our team was garbage. As noted, the Knicks have been a team of over-payed role players for a while and no coach could have won with this rag tag group of players. The roster was built to disappear this off season, mission accomplished. Which leads to my next point...
2) All of our players knew they were being used for their expiring contracts. They also knew they had no expectations. The players could have tossed it in at any point. The fact that Mike D almost got to 30 wins, with this team of underachievers and selfish players, shows me that he did do a decent job of motivating them, simply because they didn't have any true motivation, outside of their upcoming contracts, which almost all will shrink exponentially anyway.
3) All of those DNP-CD's towards the end of the year were given in order to get a better look at the guys who will be back on our team next year. Gallo was essentially a rookie b/c of all of the time he missed last year and I think had a pretty good first year. Toney Douglas got some valuable learning experiences also. There's no point to having al harrington chuck up 25 shots per game at 35% when he won't be around next year.
Anyone who thinks this team should have been .500 is delusional, plain and simple. Our real goal wasn't even to get better over the last few years, it was to put ourselves in a flexible cap position to ensure success in the future. Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich couldn't have gotten to the playoffs with this squad, even in the east.
Understand this: "no coach could've done any better" is an ATTEMPT to grasp at straws and is an opinion based on fantasy.
We are looking at D'Antoni... not another coach... he had opport.'s and failed at in HIS contributions... NO ONE SAID "Its his fault"- which is another desperate attempt to skew the facts.
D'Antoni's POOR DECISIONS are why he isn't good NOT THE KNICKS RECORD!!
Marbury was the best player on the Knicks when D'Antoni became headcoach.
Marbury accepted the role of coming off the bench to become that 6th man of the year in his final season contract. Marbury knew better than any other player on the team all his Knick teammates offensive talents, plus he was the best "tutor" for bum Duhon.
For Damntoni to have great success in New York, he was suppose to take advantage of all Isiah Thomas offensive players to get as many wins as possible before the trading deadline, he needed Marbury, Crawful, and Zach offensive styles on the team for those WINS.
Those first season "WINS" wouldve helped out the "2010-Plan" tremendously as far as player for player trades.
The NBA had alot of weak teams during the 2008-9 season inwhich the Knicks couldve gathered alot of wins with a bench depth chart of Marbury, Nate, Chandler, Balkman, Malik, Jefferies, and Lee.
The Knick Players stock wouldve risen sky high.
Hint: if Damntoni wouldve made the Curry & Zach tandem work using Lee, Balkman, Chandler, and Harrington as in between frontcourt players....D'Antoni wouldve won the coach of the year.
Especially, with Eddy Curry being the only player coming into training-camp as usual out of shape.
SO you think we would have made the playoffs with Marbury coming off the bench? First, it's all speculation and hindsight on your part. Second, after trading away our best talent there was no saving the last two seasons. Third, playing Marbury does nothing to advance our 2010 goal.
The guy was an emotional cancer and was practically DNP on the Celtics and now is toiling away in China. If he had some worth don't you think there would have been ONE NBA team to offer him a min contract? I guess Dant controls every team in this league now...
EDIT**Advocating for us to keep Zach and Crawford only shows you are a poor judge of talent. Yes, these guys at the time were our two best players but they did not compliment one another nor did they have a surrounding cast capable of maximizing their skills. Further they would have hampered Lee's progression.
"Every player will start out with a clean slate".....that comment boosted up the moral of the Knick-Players, untill the treatment of Marbury & Curry at the start of the season. And the comment became a big "LIE" to all the Knick-Players when Donnie Walsh close friends Dunleavy (clippers) and Mullins (warriors) teams got off to one of the worst losing records after both G.M. spend so much money in the offseason to become a playoff team.
Donnie Walsh made trades to help those teams rather than help the Knicks.....Mobley failed the physical with a career-injury, inwhich a first round pick was supposed to be added for the Knicks to accept the trade.