Again from Larry Coons site:
The "Seven Year Rule" allows teams to trade draft picks up to seven years into the future (for example, if this is the 2008-09 season, then a 2015 pick can be traded, but a 2016 pick cannot).
No, because that reading produces an absurd result. Under your reading the restriction means that in 2005 (for arguments sake and easy numbers) a team could trade their 2007, 2008, 2009 draft picks, there is no rule against it because they are trading away future draft picks in the same year...But if they traded away their 2008 draft pick in 2005 they would be restrained from trading their 2007 draft pick in 2006. That result makes no sense.
The much more logical, and correct, as I understand it from everything I have seen, is that a team must retain the rights to at least make 1 first round pick every two years. This is why you see so frequently at the draft teams actually drafting a guy and then trading away his draft rights in a deal agreed upon before the pick took place. It is a work around the rule. Otherwise, the trade would just get done.
The Jeffries deal was the right to swap 2011 picks, #1 overall protected. And our 2012 pick outright, #1 overall protected. So since we don't have the rights to our 2012 pick, we can't trade 2013 correct?
What does that have to do with 2014? The rule isn't that you can't trade multiple first rounds picks in two consecutive calendar years, the rule is that a team can't go without a first round pick for two consecutive drafts.
We had one in 2010, we will have one in 2011, we won't in 2012, we can't trade 2011 or 2013, but we can trade any pick from 2014 to whatever the last eligible year is, just not two years in a row (ie. 2015 and 2016.)
Guess if I was simple in the mind...everything would be fine.
your wrong.. the knicks can trade thier 2014...ok.. dont know what ur watching...
you can give denver cap relief cuz we are still under the cap and salaries dont have to match exactly and also.. and u should know this mister ted sam rule.... salaries only need to match at like 75%.. so i could trade a player for 7.5 mil for a palyer making 10 mil.. ok my friend
and also if houston gives away all those player.. who is melo playin with??? yao.. ur hillarious... remember houston dont got ariza no more...lmao
u think he would sign an extension with houston????.... he might as well stay in denver.... yao wont make it past 40 games
Also, even if they could offer a 2014 or 15 pick, is that what Denver wants right now? They want picks that are earlier and the Bulls and Rockets have the ability to trade 2 future picks that Denver can cash in much earlier.
Puts an even darker spin on The Giraffe trade...
Agree w NY Baller bigtime about winners making power moves to win now/later, and losers often just accepting some uncertain future where they might be able to do something that might make them legit...
Why I wanted us to be pro-active about the prospects of trading Gallo dating back to the primetime stages of the superstar shopping spree.
Gallo and AR are so unique and filled with big time promise that its tough, but if they equaled Melo I'd be on it.
People say we wouldn't be contenders then, even w Melo. Well, we won't be if we don't get him. Adding Melo...to STAT...gives us a BONEFIED foundation to be contenders.
It's as good a blueprint as we could have, giving us the easiest path with the least question marks.
Couple legit 5 prospects
Done and done.
That said, if he goes elsewhere, I won't be crying. I love Gallo and AR. I'll just be re-adjusting my outlook as a fan and what I realistically expect out of the knicks in terms of actual winning.
You said the above about Gallo recently and it made good sense..
Your OP in this thread is saying a couple of different things. It's complicated and I like that. But...,
I don't know Metro, sounds like you're wavering a bit. Now you're saying you would choose Gallo to go over AR.
You said you thought Gallo would be as good as Ginobili or Gasol. This to me that spells we don't need Melo and that we damn sure shouldn't give him up instead of AR in trade.
I agreed w you then. Now I'm trying to figure out what changed..
This goes out to all of you Anthony Randolph fanboys:
WHAT HAS GOT YOU ALL SO FASCINATED W THIS MAN'S GAME?!?
Is it a case of the, "I've seen very little of him syndrome"??
To me, logic would dictate that because we haven't seen very much AR's (especially @MSG) game and what he's all about, we should be more skeptical about him. Thas just me tho.. (shakes head)
I mean, I know he's very athletic, tall and he has good all-around skill w his ability to handle the ball. But, I've seen a few games involving Randolph and a bunch of highlights and I've come away with the thinking that I really need to see MUCH more to be even a small percentage of the believer in this guy that so many of you are.
On the other side, I've watched Gallo for a full season and 28 games, scrutinized the man, breaking down every piece of his game, game to game and I'm telling you-- GALLO IS MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BREAK OUT THAN AR based on what I've seen from the both of them.
Danilo Gallinari is a fundamentally sound, smart, tough, 6'10'' shooter, who can post up and use that threat from the outside to drive by any defender when they close out hard on him. He doesn't have to be that quick and yet he's working on this aspect of his game. The man has the ability to take over a game too as we've seen, in NY, late. This is undeniable and he's only 21.
Randolph cannot do any of the above people!!! Wake up.
Randolph is an athletic freelancer. He will not and should not be a focal point.
To me, this team has two go-to players as constructed, Amare (obviously) and an emerging reliable scorer in Gallo. He will figure out how to do be the OTHER OPTION. He has too many tools not to and he knows it.. Too many of you on this forum don't.
I still think we do not need Melo. Danilo will be fine. AR, right now until he proves otherwise, will a good supporting player. Amare will be Amare.
I hate all of this chatter about Carmelo.
I understand the thinking behind the title of your topic. I just need you to develop more why losing either Gallo or AR for Melo will sink us.
I do think Danilo, AR, and STAT will see alot of time together, even if AR doesn't start.
I also agree, although I have seen the three together, that having them on the frontline at the same time will be difficult (not impossible) to deal w for most teams. There are a quite a few good teams out there that will be able to handle us though. What would determine how dynamic the three of them together on the floor will be is how good AR is. I feel reasonably confident in what STAT and Gallo will bring. Randolph IMO is a big x-factor and ?. If he's good then we will be dangerous w Felton at the point directing the O.
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Carmelo is a ALL - STAR, an MVP contender, a great scorer, and made the Olympic team. And you need more than 1 of these type of players in order to contend for a championship...
As far as Gallo, yes he does have potential, and hes looking good, but he has not proved anything yet...
The same thing goes for AR, he has not proved anything yet...
And if we can trade for Anthony without having to include both Gallo and AR than go for it in a heart beat.
Because then you would have 2 superstar players in Stoudemire and Anthony. A solid PG in Felton who has the potential to be even better in New York. And a supporting cast of either Gallo or AR, Turiaf, Azubuike, Mason, Mozgov, Walker, Douglas. ( I am pretending that either Gallo or AR along with Chandler and Curry are traded to Denver).
And this team looks like it can contend for a championship as soon as this season (if the trade goes down).
However, if it doesnt work out and we dont get Anthony, then I believe that we still have a good team that if players like Gallo, AR, Chandler, Mason, Mozgov, Douglas play solid basketball, Im supposing that Amare, Felton, Turiaf, and Azubuike will play well and stay out of injuries, then we will make maybe even the 5th seed in the Eastern Conference.