and marbury was on the decline.. melo is not.. and also.. marbury had no other teamates.. thats why we got sweept by the nets... double teamed marbury and nobody could step up and make a shot..
go do ur research
First round picks are expendable when a team is GOOD.
Our team...is NOT good.
A first round pick we trade HAS value.
A LATE first round pick isn't much better than a second rounder in this day and age. If you notice about the draft usually you have a ton of talent stockpiled in the first 3-4 picks and then after it's mostly a crapshoot as to who's good or not. Finding a good player with the last pick in the first round is just as valuable as finding a good player with a mid-round pick in the 2nd round.
The difference is, we need draft picks...draft picks are how teams rebuild, period.
The Celtics won titles because they had a dominant scorer and moved for a dominant big man and got Rajon Rondo (in the draft - with pick 21). Go do "ur" research. He is an NBA All-Star.
You are wrong here.
Alot of witty bantor here, but looks like the Knicks will be left out again. Sounds like Melo is going to end up in Jersey via a 4 team trade excluding the Knicks. There goes that 8th playoff spot the Knicks might have slid into. If Melo ends up in NJ, Walsh and D'ant should be fired right away and us Knicks fans should prepare for the worse.
"The Knicks are back" - Amare
It's not an issue of us being able to win if we don't get Carmelo or if we do.
Both ways are possible. Though it gets more divided if we are talking about winning actual championships.
Standing pat and our hopes rest on a myriad of players living up to their abilities in concert. And then having those abilities be at a very high level.
STAT-Melo-2yrs Felton-CAP SPACE, and a versatile mix of Walker/Douglas/Moz/Jordan is, simply put, MUCH more proven of a blueprint to content asap, and win titles.
It would be tough to imagine Walsh and/or the players fcking up to the extent that NY couldn't swiftly raise up a juggernaut contender under that.
Everything changes if we pull that trigger. Our legitimacy, our perceived strength as a franchise, the effect on future dealings.
Everything is solidified. Including our present and future prospects.
We got Gallo with the 6th pick which has been good, but imagine if we still had our other first round picks to complement him. Could've been bust picks, but also could have been great picks.
I don't care if we don't make the playoffs because for so many years we have been making bad choices and now it's time to start taking baby steps to success rather then the home run that NY is so used to.
The team is starting to really take shape in that we actually have a legit star who will demand double teams and we have some really good young talent and a good floor general. We may not be complete in any real sense, but I see marked improvement of a well rounded team that on it's night could be deadly.
It looks like we would have to trade BOTH Gallo and Randolph for any chance at Melo.
My left brain says that makes sense.... is fair enough. How that would make NYK a real player. We would still have Mozgov and Chandler's upside to ponder about. A legit PG and 2 absolute scoring machines in the paint.
But then I think about the defense.... and the future beyond 2012, and how I would feel insulted.
Let's face it: Melo would come to NY for all the wrong reasons. He would force us into selling our best young talent just so he can get his money. The team would be cashed out... again... a mere few months after finally getting under the cap. We would be left with little wiggle room to build around our big-2.
We all would whine next year how we would have it all IF ONLY Melo waited.
BUT NO. MELO WANTS HIS MONEY.
This is when my right brain starts to chime in. It says HEY, ROLL THE DICE. Gamble. Maybe the Knicks will be better off (a more complete, balanced team) if we keep Gallo-Randolph.
Let Amar'e be the face.... the leader. Allow Felton room to grow. Let everyone else prove the sum of their parts is more valuable than brining in a high volumn chucker.
We would also still have cap space next Summer.
Randolph + Gallo + Cap Space or Melo?
We know what happens when we put all our eggs in one basket.
Yeah, I know this is a 26 yr-old MELO. A PROVEN warrior and winner. Still, under the circumstances it would take to get him here?
I guess I would trade both, but boy would I be the first one to call him out if he fails. He put his money ahead of winning. He would have to carry us like he did SU, otherwise he wouldn't derserve wiggle room.
Playing for a few Eastern Conf titles wouldn't be enough. Not for the cost.
But I guess you have to do it. The fact I don't like it or want to causes alarm bells to go off.
BUT NONE OF US ARE WALSH-DOLAN.
Would I really pull the trigger? Only way to make an informed decision is to see what I would have seen from Gallo-Randolph. Because if they look like they've grown... if I bet on their potential and am loving what an offseason did.... Than I keep the kids and the future flexibility and pass on MELO. Let him get his money and play in Newark.