IF our new guys DON'T pan out....

Everyone knows I have had my suspecions about Coach and his system. The good, bad & the ugly.

We have debated, and some of us agreed to leave Coach alone. And not that I'm hating or anticipating failure.. I just want to know how long does he have in your opinion.

I just want us all to agree, when is enough going to be enough if it comes to that, so there are no surprises?

Minus the rookies, if the Vets like Amare & Felton don't impress, and if guys like Chandler, Gallo, Randolph, TD, and Turiaf don't improve or our team isn't competitive...

can I then blame coach? Just saying... let me know.

If we don't make the playoffs this year and all our major pieces are healthy than D'ant needs to go.

the problem with this team is, (with the exception of randolph) it doesn't have one guy with upside on both sides of the floor. every championship team has at least 2 guys (one on the perimeter, one in the frontcourt) who can changed the game on either side of the ball.

I'm as optimistic as the next knick fan, but sometimes we have to be real with each other. amare isn't suddenly going to become a beast on defense. a guy like gallo isn't going to be developed properly on a team like this, and randolph, for as much upside as he has on both sides of the floor, has as much a probability of not panning out as he does reaching his potential, chandler, though his handle seems to have improved, is not and will never be a facilitator that powers the offense.

if by the break, this team isn't in 8th place at least, its best to clean house.


go get batum and let him be our scottie pippen. if it takes stat to get him, so be it.

Given your scenario then this team would be no better than last years team. How can you not fire D'Antoni if he has another losing season. On the other hand if he pulls off a playoff spot you have to think about extending him because this team is not ready made to win like the Celtics or Heat.

I agree with Trill. Playoffs.

Then we have to ask the same question to you. What will it take for you to give D'Antoni credit?

I have no problem, and have never had a problem, with asking D'Antoni to be fired. Just give him the appropriate opportunity, which I don't feel he's had.

It seems like you are chomping at the bit for him to fail. I have no problem admitting I was wrong about D'Antoni. Do you?

LJ4ptplay said:

I agree with Trill. Playoffs.

Then we have to ask the same question to you. What will it take for you to give D'Antoni credit?

I have no problem, and have never had a problem, with asking D'Antoni to be fired. Just give him the appropriate opportunity, which I don't feel he's had.

It seems like you are chomping at the bit for him to fail. I have no problem admitting I was wrong about D'Antoni. Do you?

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Nah LJ4, I would have no prob. admitting I was wrong about coach, b/c obviously that would mean we are competitive and that's what's important.

I just want to hear what the concensus says. How long should we give him. A full season, 1/2 the season?

I mean if we can agree now, and IF (no I don't want it) we happen to start out say 1-6, I don't want new threads talking about the sky is falling. We can nip it in the butt now. So I guess it's a full season?

Actually, I'll go with by the trading deadline... I think that's enough time to show an improvement in the competitivness / development dept.'s.

not that I would advocate a mid-season firing either, but for once we should agree to hold Coach accountable & have credence to our expectations.

I think the thing that may prevent this team from being successful is the difference in philosophies between what the GM and coach thinks makes a good basketball player. D'antoni looks at a players skill set from the point of view of how they fit into his system. While Walsh evaluates a player ability from a more traditional sense.

Although I have no compelling arguments to prove my theory I would like to hear other people's opinion.

kingDOM312580 said:

I think the thing that may prevent this team from being successful is the difference in philosophies between what the GM and coach thinks makes a good basketball player. D'antoni looks at a players skill set from the point of view of how they fit into his system. While Walsh evaluates a player ability from a more traditional sense.

Although I have no compelling arguments to prove my theory I would like to hear other people's opinion.

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i agree with that in a sense, but that's his coach. he chose him based on a vision. of course, that vision hinged on lebron wade coming to nyc. this system is utter trash without a visionary distributor.

that's just how it is. I don't think felton is the guy.

I would say by the all-star break he should have a solid starting line up. a steady rotation with decent subbing patterns, and a good game plan that consists of a variety of plays on offense and defense.

if we are below .500 by that point, I will be as vocal in my criticisms of him as i was of giving him a chance to prove himself with a team that wasn't so "mickey mouse-ish"

If we dont end the season in playoffs or extremely enthused about our immediate future.

Hopefully we get Rudy or Azzy healthy.

Gallo n Wilson at the 3, Felton n Douglas at 1, plus STAT and our stable of bigs, all of whom are young enuff to be coached up.

Really, this lineup is admittedly form fit for Dant. So...

Red said:

Everyone knows I have had my suspecions about Coach and his system. The good, bad & the ugly.

We have debated, and some of us agreed to leave Coach alone. And not that I'm hating or anticipating failure.. I just want to know how long does he have in your opinion.

I just want us all to agree, when is enough going to be enough if it comes to that, so there are no surprises?

Minus the rookies, if the Vets like Amare & Felton don't impress, and if guys like Chandler, Gallo, Randolph, TD, and Turiaf don't improve or our team isn't competitive...

can I then blame coach? Just saying... let me know.

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I dont like Mike D to begin with but we went out and got players just for his type of basketball, all athletic, can shoot, spread the floor and can play defense so if we dont win then he is honestly the most over rated coach in the NBA....remember this guy couldn't beat the spurs in the playoffs with Nash in his prime, a young Amare, Boris Diaw when he was good, Barbosa, etc. so I might not be surprised if this season is an epic fail.

we should win many games, we can use Amare in isolation and free up shots for our shooters and we also have very effective slashers like Felton, Amare, Chandler, Gallo can draw fouls when he drives, Mozgov can take it to the rim...so if we dont make the playoffs then Mike D should be fired on the spot

remember this guy couldn't beat the spurs in the playoffs with Nash in his prime, a young Amare, Boris Diaw when he was good, Barbosa, etc. so I might not be surprised if this season is an epic fail.

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Impartial point.

Jerry Sloan, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, Rudy Tomjanovich, Hubie Brown.

That's a short list of some of the NBA's best coaches that have had great teams that were beaten by better teams.

And don't you remember Amar'e's suspension against SA? Heinous.

Again, that's an impartial point and it's been posted too many times on this site.

I just want us all to agree, when is enough going to be enough if it comes to that, so there are no surprises?

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When we lose game 7 in the first round because he forgot we have a foul to give.

Crazy8s said:

Impartial point.

Jerry Sloan, Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Larry Brown, Rudy Tomjanovich, Hubie Brown.

That's a short list of some of the NBA's best coaches that have had great teams that were beaten by better teams.

And don't you remember Amar'e's suspension against SA? Heinous.

Again, that's an impartial point and it's been posted too many times on this site.

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Alvin Gentry beat the Spurs in his first year with basically the same Suns team because they emphasized defense more than Mike D did along with Amare's great performance. That is my point.

Mike D has to make the playoffs with this team, no excuses anymore.

If he does not, then his 6 mil per year is utterly worthless since we clearly have enough players to make the playoffs. It is all about the right style of coaching at this point.

Paul1355 said:

Alvin Gentry beat the Spurs in his first year with basically the same Suns team because they emphasized defense more than Mike D did along with Amare's great performance. That is my point.

Mike D has to make the playoffs with this team, no excuses anymore.

If he does not, then his 6 mil per year is utterly worthless since we clearly have enough players to make the playoffs. It is all about the right style of coaching at this point.

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This is not true... I believe the Spurs had some key injuries if Im not mistaken. (could be wrong) That said, the Spurs were older and are in the decline. Further you act as if Gentry suited up and got them the win. A coach can only do so much and I am quite sure the Suns still gave up a ton of points and shot a league leading amount of 3's.

Do you have to be avg, good or great to be a coach on team USA?

It all depends on what I see on the court and what this season brings. It's hard to say right now because the season has not started and I don't wanna speculate on what could happen.

XxWinKnicksxX said:

Do you have to be avg, good or great to be a coach on team USA?

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No, not at all. Just let the ballers play their game while you sit on the bench and take credit for their awesome talents...as always.