Felton with 5 assists : 4 turnovers vs K-Lowry

mafra

Legend
WOW.

I hope Felton is dealt the moment the clock strikesmidnight 12/15, when we can trade free agents signed over the Summer.

Loss goes squarely on RF's poor play.
 

StreetDreams21

I got Soul
Not even close, I place more blame on Douggie's 1-11 shooting game. Felton has been averaging almost 8 assists a game, he is nowhere near the biggest problem on our team. In the 4th quarter during this game, NO ONE showed effort. We were in it and then we gave up. Simple as that. At least he isn't Duhon.
 

mafra

Legend
Not even close, I place more blame on Douggie's 1-11 shooting game. Felton has been averaging almost 8 assists a game, he is nowhere near the biggest problem on our team. In the 4th quarter during this game, NO ONE showed effort. We were in it and then we gave up. Simple as that. At least he isn't Duhon.

Felton can't run the pick and roll. Our offense is based on the p&r. Either Felton or Mike D have to go or we wont win 30 games.

Sorry. Felton should have had 20+ points, 10+ assists vs Lowry.

He was awful in the 4th, when HOU pulled away. Loss all on him and Douglas, and coach who had those 2 and Mason in the game in the 4th.
 

iSaYughh

Starter
Felton has had a couple of GRENADE games.

We can all handle and understand a player having bad off nights. But felton's had a couple of very egregious ones already, where he didn't just play bad.

He COLLAPSED. In such a way that it gets attributed to a deeper flaw in his winning (or losing) mentality and makeup. Or at least his fit in a system D'ant seems deadset on.
 

mafra

Legend
Felton has had a couple of GRENADE games.

We can all handle and understand a player having bad off nights. But felton's had a couple of very egregious ones already, where he didn't just play bad.

He COLLAPSED. In such a way that it gets attributed to a deeper flaw in his winning (or losing) mentality and makeup. Or at least his fit in a system D'ant seems deadset on.

He's not particularly good at scoring or creating or defending. Sure, if he's playing against the Knicks, then he's an all-star.... but right now he's terrible.

Not sure how else to put it.

6 4th quarter collapses in 7 losses; and Felton is responsible for the most part b/c he controls the offense. He had about 5 stupid turnovers where he did nothing with the ball and then jumped in the air and hands ball to HOU.

He thrives on the break, in the open court and driving and kicking out. He's not good finishing at the rim, not good shooting the ball and not good running the half court offense.

AT LEAST CHRIS DUHON WAS SOLID FOR 40 GAMES folks. Felton is Duhon-lite from the get-go.
 

Paul1355

All Star
WOW.

I hope Felton is dealt the moment the clock strikesmidnight 12/15, when we can trade free agents signed over the Summer.

Loss goes squarely on RF's poor play.

Felton is not a huge problem, its just that he cant find Amare on the pick and roll, Felton is more of a scoring small SG rather than a pass first PG

the loss goes on Mike D's inability to coach to the player's strengths
 

mafra

Legend
Felton-Douglas-Mason-Walker-Rautins

Is there a team in the NBA with a worse back court?

I?ll take Duke?s guards over this bunch (Irving, Smith, Curry, Dawkins, Thornton).
 

LJ4ptplay

Starter
Sadly, Duhon + Lee was better at the pick-and-roll than Felton + Amare.


And this may sound even crazier, but Z-Bo would probably be better plaiyng next to Mozgov than Amare.
 

iSaYughh

Starter
Felton-Douglas-Mason-Walker-Rautins

Is there a team in the NBA with a worse back court?

I?ll take Duke?s guards over this bunch (Irving, Smith, Curry, Dawkins, Thornton).

Gordon, Jennings, Tyreke, Curry...Mayo.

I guess Walsh only likes to show chutzpah and pull out the red carpet on trades and deals when we are getting 10cents to the dollar and dumping a 1yr MLE contract of a defensive specialist for 2.5 lotto picks including a rookie.

(Chandler and any of the above players are ours, along with another one)

Curry
Gordon

Pretty sick backfield. No $ needed for Felton, either...
 

serendipity10

Benchwarmer
A point guard should be the floor general, Felton doesn't have what it takes to run the offense. He has some of the worst turnovers I've seen and can't create shots for others. When Felton is unable to run the offense you see players like Amare handle the ball or bad 3 point shots.

Felton might get assists and might score but if you watch the games you can understand he is a big reason why the Knicks are losing. D'antoni is also a big reason to this losing streak.
 

smokes

Huge Member
Gordon, Jennings, Tyreke, Curry...Mayo.

I guess Walsh only likes to show chutzpah and pull out the red carpet on trades and deals when we are getting 10cents to the dollar and dumping a 1yr MLE contract of a defensive specialist for 2.5 lotto picks including a rookie.

(Chandler and any of the above players are ours, along with another one)

Curry
Gordon

Pretty sick backfield. No $ needed for Felton, either...

I don't even understand how this post makes sense? When did we have the opportunity to take Curry or Tyreke? What are you trying to say with this post?
 

jimkcchief88

All Star
Anybody else wanna argue that taking an LB reject PG is a good thing??? Where all the cats that said "it was LB's system" that was holding Felton back. Any sane person would know if a HOF coach with championships NCAA/NBA doesn't want ya, MAYBE there is something to it???
 

Toons

is the Bo$$
Felton can't run the pick and roll. Our offense is based on the p&r. Either Felton or Mike D have to go or we wont win 30 games.

Sorry. Felton should have had 20+ points, 10+ assists vs Lowry.

He was awful in the 4th, when HOU pulled away. Loss all on him and Douglas, and coach who had those 2 and Mason in the game in the 4th.

i think that is the exact problem. A good coach knows how to get the best out of his players. Whatever cards a good coach is dealt, he makes the cards look good and play hard. I havent watched the last 2 games but usually spacing is a big problem in the PnR. If teams are defending the PnR our shooters have to be knocking down shots, it rests mainly on our wing guys. If our wings are playing well, we dont lose. If chandler and gallo have good games, it is a lot more easier on Amare.
 

Blas

Benchwarmer
Its hard to coach a player into something he isn't.

A descent PG, with lots of speed. He doesn't have a great jumpshot. He can't finish at the rim (I.E. Amare had that sweet pass to Felton, and Felton blew the easy lay-up) and he is an average defender.

That is what Felton has been most of his career. The only difference with Larry Brown is Felton was a thrid option and the offense was not run through him. He was able to be kept in check.

Unfortunately, with the SSOL we need Felton to be a first or second option AND the system is ran through him.

It's hard to blame D'antoni for his bad play, when that is exactly what should have been expected from Felton since day one.
 

iSaYughh

Starter
I don't even understand how this post makes sense? When did we have the opportunity to take Curry or Tyreke? What are you trying to say with this post?

Chandler + #8 (or wherever we selected Hill) would have gotten us the #3 pick from the Kings or Wiz, I forget (whoever selected Tyreke Evans). But we sat tight, played it safe and conservative, and hoped to have one of the guards fall to us. We then panicked on Hill; who was subsequently dumped like a 60yr old street walker, along with a swapped 1st rounder, and another 1st round pick, to dump Jeffries.

Even if Chandler alone wouldn't have done it (though it likely would have), we clearly could have made a move to get it done, and without sacrificing a king's ransom.

It strikes me as insane that Walsh would be so bold, ballsy, and resourceful to "just get it done", in trading Jeffries...

But gambles on complacency and playing it conservative in so many other spots. Even when he broadcasts to the world how much we want Curry/a pg or guard.

Of course, this ballsy/bold/resourcefulness in getting rid of Jeffries/cap....came to a screeching halt the moment other teams began to counter-move us (MIA notably..also CHI)...and we just sat tight, played it safe and conservative, and hoped the player would fall into our laps yet again (ie Lebron, Wade).

In sum, I think Walsh is a hack. Or basically just like most mediocre GMs. And we've needed a lot more than mediocrity. I don't think he's terrible, which makes it more difficult; because he has come so seemingly close to powermoving us into real promise, and knows what we need and needs to do. He just can't do it.
 
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iSaYughh

Starter
And just as a more strategic generalization....we've been stacked full of forwards, with upcoming FA classes stock full of more forwards.

And have had maybe the worst backcourt in the NBA. With a coach who seemingly needs playmaking, dynamic guards.

Just seems more surprising that we didn't make it an even bigger priority to lock up something like

Curry
Gordon

And we wouldn't be bemoaning these collapse-games by the hands of Felton...or how the PG we now spent $ to upgrade on is somehow even making our superstar acquisition *worse*.

All while we get the luxury as fans to see Mason Jr. rotated in and out of our 2 spot....or have Douglas forced into being entrusted like he is Reggie Miller and heave up 3s because we just have so few, few legit options.
 

mafra

Legend
Chandler + #8 (or wherever we selected Hill) would have gotten us the #3 pick from the Kings or Wiz, I forget (whoever selected Tyreke Evans). But we sat tight, played it safe and conservative, and hoped to have one of the guards fall to us. We then panicked on Hill; who was subsequently dumped like a 60yr old street walker, along with a swapped 1st rounder, and another 1st round pick, to dump Jeffries.

It strikes me as insane that Walsh would be so bold, ballsy, and resourceful to "just get it done", in trading Jeffries...

But gambles on complacency and playing it conservative in so many other spots. Even when he broadcasts to the world how much we want Curry/a pg or guard.

Of course, this ballsy/bold/resourcefulness in getting rid of Jeffries/cap....came to a screeching halt the moment other teams began to counter-move us (MIA notably..also CHI)...and we just sat tight, played it safe and conservative, and hoped the player would fall into our laps (ie Lebron, Wade).

In sum, I think Walsh is a hack. Or basically just like most mediocre GMs. And we've needed a lot more than mediocrity. I don't think he's terrible, which makes it more difficult; because he has come so seemingly close to powermoving us into real promise, and knows what we need and needs to do. He just can't do it.

NOt sure if Chandler was enough but I don't recall the details. If you're going to be the GM and hire Mike D'antoni, and you had the chance to trade up and draft Steph Curry... You are a fool to pass on that opportunity.

Sure, T-Evans would have been just as good. But to watch MIN pull that deal off, and to get so close to Curry... THAT FREAKING HURTS.

Curry is exactly what NY needed. Imagine if Curry was running this team right now.

Who wouldn't trade Chandler and Gallo and that pick (8) to have Curry-Stat, with hope of Melo!

I understand shedding Crawford and Z-Randolph... I understand shooting for LJ + 1; but the failure to make any attempt to improve the team in the 2 year hiatus was an EPIC FAIL.

Curry was also LJ's supposed pal. The entire roster should have been sacrifice to get that player here, for the sole reason that you could build around him if you failed to get LJ.

His man-crush for Gallo probably sets NY back a long time.
 

iSaYughh

Starter
NOt sure if Chandler was enough but I don't recall the details. If you're going to be the GM and hire Mike D'antoni, and you had the chance to trade up and draft Steph Curry... You are a fool to pass on that opportunity.

Sure, T-Evans would have been just as good. But to watch MIN pull that deal off, and to get so close to Curry... THAT FREAKING HURTS.

Curry is exactly what NY needed. Imagine if Curry was running this team right now.

Who wouldn't trade Chandler and Gallo and that pick (8) to have Curry-Stat, with hope of Melo!


Chandler *was* enough by most mainstream, credible accounts.

Even *if* he wasn't....it is 100% clear we *could* have done it. And done it without giving up a king's ransom....

And ya, just look at what MIN did. It was just a golden, ripe opportunity all-around to make a deal to get Curry....

AND, you'd think when we got shat on by being so dopey and conservative, and they all got snatched up (Rubio, Curry, Tyreke)....that we'd then reflexively take a shot on PG Jennings(!)

It really pisses me off what Walsh did, or didn't do, that draft.

And then he acts like some Crusader in being open to anything and everything in dumping Jeffries, lol....Only to revert back to that same brand of lame, conservative, hoping after MIA/CHI counter-moved...and just pray the players fell into our laps.
 
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