Game Thread: Washington Wizards @ New York Knicks - 2/14/18

tiger0330

Legend
Horn was asked about lack of playing time for kids.... his answer:

“Knits hasn’t had to guard a guy like Jody Meeks, whose been running around coming off screens for years. It wasn’t a good matchup for Frank, so we went with Lee and guys who’ve seen that before.”

Oh my....

1) I thought defense was his strength.

ANd

2) if the rookie hasn’t seen something, isn’t now a good time to expose him? Let him learn from experience and mistakes?

I guess it’s better to shelter the kid only to watch him make these mistakes down the road.

That has to be the lamest and dumbest reply I’ve ever heard uttered by a coach in a post game presser.
Horn is gone end of season. He's in a no win situation, not much development is going to happen with so few games left and he's not winning. Perry is going to purge one of the last remnants of the PJ era.
 
Horn is gone end of season. He's in a no win situation, not much development is going to happen with so few games left and he's not winning. Perry is going to purge one of the last remnants of the PJ era.

I think you?re right. Mudiay will likely be starting after the All-Star break and I can see Ntilikina?s role staying small and possibly even shrinking further with DNPs as the season goes along. Even I can see the writing on the wall at this point. The worst part is that his trade value will be killed along the way just like with WHG. Whether you like Ntilkina or not, there is no doubt that there are teams out there who would have traded with us for him before the deadline.
 

mafra

Legend
I think you?re right. Mudiay will likely be starting after the All-Star break and I can see Ntilikina?s role staying small and possibly even shrinking further with DNPs as the season goes along. Even I can see the writing on the wall at this point. The worst part is that his trade value will be killed along the way just like with WHG. Whether you like Ntilkina or not, there is no doubt that there are teams out there who would have traded with us for him before the deadline.

We could?ve had Bledsoe for Knits. Heck, I bet we messed up trading for Mudiay over Payton (ORL).
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Horn is gone end of season. He's in a no win situation, not much development is going to happen with so few games left and he's not winning. Perry is going to purge one of the last remnants of the PJ era.

Horn's 2nd half coaching plan was finally displayed record breaking tonight .. get ready .. Rambis may end the 2017-18 season as Knicks head coach
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Jack and Lee play 30 minutes each... most of the kids sit (Knits plays 10 minutes).

lol. This is 2008 all over again. And, we see where that philosophy got this team the last 10 years.

Have no assets (check)
Play aged vets heavy minutes (check)
Don?t develop anybody under 30 (check)
Have no game plan (check)
Avoid thinking long-term (check)

Largest lead lost for NYK since 1991-1992 season.

Truth b said .. I'm glad Horn only played Knits 10 min in this 2nd half embarrassment to NBA Basketball .. all the Knick players that were DNP went home happy they didn't get any playingtime Tonight!

Let's just hope Perry don't sell Dolan on a 2020 Plan to be in the Lottery in each of the next 2 seasons
 

CoolClyde

Moderator
is this youth development? having no confidence in your rookie, the 7th pick of the draft? No Kornet, No Dotson? No Burke? going with Jarrett Jack to lead the team in loss after loss after historic loss? no ball movement, ****ty substitutions. this game was a microcosm of the season. Start out strong with Tim getting in a groove, and then he goes cold in the 3rd, and Knicks have no other way to score other than Kanter's amazing rebounding? Lee, Lance, Beasley, Tim, Jack all getting big minutes, and losing. How can it get any worse? If Frank, Mudiay, Kornet, Hicks, Burke start the rest of the year and Knicks continue to lose, at least we'll see how they actually play. together. Hornacek's lineups suck, his substitutions suck, and losing is the result. Bradley Beal is the real deal, for sure. Lee did a great job defending him, he deserves those minutes. not.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
I despise Hornacek. We blow a 27-point lead and lose.
Burke, Kornet, Hicks, and Dotson all play zero minutes.
Ntilikina plays only 10 minutes, hitting both his shots and getting 2 steals, although he managed to be -8, the worst on the team, in those 10 minutes.
Mudiay plays 20 minutes and has more turnovers (4) than assists (3) plus shoots only 3 for 9 from the floor including 0 for 2 from 3-point range.
Someone check Michael Beasley's ID and make sure he isn't Melo in disguise. Beasley plays 40 minutes and shoots 8 for 24.

We did not have one Melo we had two Melo's on the court tonight playing 40 minute each in Beasley n THJ both players lid up the score board in the first half of the game .. then in the 2nd half of the game they became complete bums on the court missing dozens of open shots plus became turnover specialist while putting no effort on the defensive side of the court .. u would think after 5 seasons in the league THJ and Beasley would learn to play hard defense when their shots are not falling.

And our 30 minute of playingtime starters Lee and Jack looked pitiful on both sides of the court throughout their 30 min tonight .. the two guards performed a better backcourt game in Nov. Dec. then the sloppy performance they been putting out throughout Jan. Feb. plus tonite losing performance from Lee n Jack make a GM wish the trading deadline was tomorrow.

Mudiay need a Mark Jackson as headcoach to come in to scrape-off all the bad habits he picked up on his previous teams .. plus give Mudiay a 24 minute role at keeping ball movement by passing the ball to moving players .. Mudiay need to pick certain spots to shoot at where he feel comfortable .. tonite Mudiay made to many careless decision with the ball plus miss several open shots from 15 to 20 ft to basket .. and his defense stink.
 

paris401

Starter
On the bright side, Kanter was a beast again tonight, putting up 24 points on 9 for 15 shooting, 14 boards, and 5 assists. Still not sure Kanter's market value at this point. Is his 18.6 million player option high enough for him to opt in or does he test the market for a long-term deal

he is a beast, but we have seen other guys have monster years, get the $$$, n then nothing... while i dont think thats in kantors dna, if we agree that next year will be a repeat of this year, which is a repeat of last year , which is a...you get the idea..... do we need him long term???...
HOWEVER he is only 25, 26 in may, so his best years should be ahead....if i was kantor, i'd test the market ... i am sure he can get at least...probably an even better offer then g-league tim... more guaranteed $$$$ .... or in his case lira....
 

Broadway

All Star
Had to work, didn't catch any of this game. I see THJR tried his best to do exactly what htr10 said he might do....play down the stretch of season with the trickeration that would rip the lottery riches from the clutches of the masses hoping in a better future.

I really hope we turn him into a 6th man, regardless of contract or respected yrs in the league.
 

mafra

Legend
Tonight was the Knicks' 4th blown 20-point lead this season, tied with the 2012-13 Cavs for the most such losses over the last 20 seasons
 

Kiyaman

Legend
he is a beast, but we have seen other guys have monster years, get the $$$, n then nothing... while i dont think thats in kantors dna, if we agree that next year will be a repeat of this year, which is a repeat of last year , which is a...you get the idea..... do we need him long term???...
HOWEVER he is only 25, 26 in may, so his best years should be ahead....if i was kantor, i'd test the market ... i am sure he can get at least...probably an even better offer then g-league tim... more guaranteed $$$$ .... or in his case lira....

Kanter is a KEEPER for next season.
Kanter's talent n performance only need a legit PF n a legit SF in a lineup to become a above .500 frontcourt lineup.
KP is clueless on what to do to become a legit PF or center on offense/defense.
Horn putting 6.6 players Beasley and Mcderm at the PF position only resulted in more losses than wins .. the two players Beasley n Mcderm are strictly SF in the NBA.
Lee n THJ are guards only! The two players Lee n THJ are not multi-position players they are strictly SG not PG nor SF.
Horn putting Lee or THJ at the SF position only resulted in adding more losses to the Knicks record this season.

Tonight's game vs the Wizards were a tremendous embarrassment to the Knicks organization and the NBA league.

The Knicks PG are not the reason for so many Knicks losses this season the Knicks losses are all do to the poor coaching preparation, the poor coaching decision, the poor selection of starting lineup, the clueless substitution, and the non-existent team-defensive plan.
Not adding Noah defensive tactics to the rotation, not adding WHG big body in the middle as a PF in the rotation, not giving the raw scorer/defender rookie Dotson a role to play in the rotation resulted in the Knicks becoming a Tanking Lottery team throughout the 2017-18 season.

Tonight's game vs the Wizards were a tremendous embarrassment to the Knicks organization and the NBA league !!!
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Had to work, didn't catch any of this game. I see THJR tried his best to do exactly what htr10 said he might do....play down the stretch of season with the trickeration that would rip the lottery riches from the clutches of the masses hoping in a better future.

I really hope we turn him into a 6th man, regardless of contract or respected yrs in the league.


Are u saying THJ are in cahoots with Hornacek on TANKING ???

A decent headcoach would have started the season bringing the $71M THJ off the bench plus let THJ performance in the first 10 games decide whether THJ is the 8th or 7th or 6th man off the bench for the season.

I still believe after Beasley decent preseason performance Beasley should have been our starting SF.
Beasley on the right side and KP on the left side having Kanter in the middle being our first second n third option on offense at the start of the game throughout the first quarter to get knicks opponents in early foul trouble by shooting inside 20 ft from basket.

Lee was automatically our starting SG from last season .. THJ was supposed to be Lee's backup off the bench .. in case we needed early scoring from the guard spot we replace Lee with THJ.
 
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