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knicksince 93

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U didn't post any evidence. Did u really say tyson chandler was the mavs second best offensive player? A player who lacks all offensive abilities aside from a very very very rare jump shot. He hasn't been pegged that hi on offense since high school. I'm done. Tyson chandler is not a defensive threat if u wanna base stuff on numbers. He doesn't rebound block shots or get steals and doesn't help defend so where is the proof that he's this defensive juggernaut. Not hearsay and saying oh he's the only defensive player on a team that has none. What does that mean? Our guards got beat and he's supposed to be the protector but more likely then not when our guards got beat so did he because he rotates slow when he tries to contest but our beloved protector will just dodge out of the way and I'm sure opposing guards know he won't contest. It shouldn't be that easy to score on us.

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knicksince 93

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Again..

He was the team?s best defensive player, the second best offensive player, and at least from the outside appeared to be the team leader. This year Chandler was in the top 10 in a number of statistics. The most surprising ones, aside from is .207 win shares per 48 minutes, fourth in the league only behind LeBron James, Kevin Durant, and Chris Paul and also leading the team in the statistic for the second straight year, to some are the offensive statistics.


This season Chandler?s offensive rating (133) led the entire NBA. Obviously anyone who watches basketball knows that he isn?t the best offensive player in the league but it would be unwise to simply dismiss this statistic. Whether it is his incredibly efficient shooting (.671 True shooting percentage, also led the league), his offensive rebounding (14.1, third in the league), or his excellent pick-and-roll play Chandler really opens things up for offenses.


All you've shown is that you have an incredibly biased opinion re Tyson. I posted evidence of his impact from just last season and all you do is continue to post he same thoughts with nothing to back it up.

Tyson is still a very effective pick and roll player, also evidenced by Melo's indication he wants to run it more with him. How are you gonna say he doesn't finish around the rim like he used to when his FG % is as high as it's ever been? He doesn't rebound?? Are you kidding me. How many times do we see him tip the ball out to a teammate ala Bill Russell? No other center in the league uses that skill consistently. Tyson has mastered it. That's why his offensive rebound rate is so high. He also averaged double digit rebounds (10.7) last season. That's basically 11 rebounds per. Dude puts in work. He is easily one of the best rebounders in the league.

I don't know why some Knick fans go out of their way to hate on a guy who does all the dirty work, who reps the team and himself well. Dude did all he could for us with an injury in the playoffs and people don't see that. Can you imagine how we'd of looked without him against Indiana?? We'd of been out in 5.

And Tyson Chandler is waaaayy better than DeAndre Jordan. That was still a ridiculous comment if you did make a typo.

You're the one with the biased opinion stating he was second best scorer. Dirk, the matrix, obviously the jet, jkidd and c butler were all better at scoring then him. I don't I even chose to debate that. We swap deandre jordan for dirk we still win 54 games

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ronoranina

Fundamentally Sound
Still no back up to your assertions??

The post referenced him being our second best "offensive player", not our second best scorer, who 's obviously JR. When you look at everything he does for the offense, in terms of his role as it relates to the high pick and roll (in terms of his threat to roll to the basket, finish and how this factor opens up driving lanes/open shots for teammates) and his offensive rebounding, league best Off rating and high FG/true shooting percentages the reasoning behind this distinction becomes clear.

The part about him being the second best player was in reference to his time in Dallas:


Some Knicks fans point to is incredible job of changing the culture in Dallas and being the second best player (sorry Jason Terry) on the only team to beat the Miami Heat in a playoff series in the “Big 3” era as evidence that he is a very valuable cog to a winning team.

​He absolutely was their second best player as he is ours.
 
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knicksince 93

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Still no back up to your assertions??

The post referenced him being our second best "offensive player", not our second best scorer, who 's obviously JR. When you look at everything he does for the offense, in terms of his role as it relates to the high pick and roll (in terms of his threat to roll to the basket, finish and how this factor opens up driving lanes/open shots for teammates) and his offensive rebounding, league best Off rating and high FG/true shooting percentages the reasoning behind this distinction becomes clear.

The part about him being the second best player was in reference to his time in Dallas:


Some Knicks fans point to is incredible job of changing the culture in Dallas and being the second best player (sorry Jason Terry) on the only team to beat the Miami Heat in a playoff series in the ?Big 3? era as evidence that he is a very valuable cog to a winning team.

​He absolutely was their second best player as he is ours.

Our second best offensive player? Wow. Ray, and shump, melo, jr. Stat were all superior then him. Rono he doesn't finish how he used to at the rim. Everything you're saying about him is correct but only 2 seasons ago. Saying he's better then our guards offensively is just dumb tryna back it up by fg percentage. Look at his fg attempts n I really cant believe you put him and scoring in the same sentence... if this was 2 seasons ago you'd be right but times change and so did he.

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knicksince 93

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I'm sorry my proof is in observation of the game and I watch him game after game after game let people lay up on him, miss lobs that just 2 years ago would have easily got. Catch lobs and then miss the dunk attempt. He got horsed in the playoffs by hibbert who is bigger and kg who actually is smaller. Who had double digit rebounds in the first half of those playoff games

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ronoranina

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I'm sorry my proof is in observation of the game and I watch him game after game after game let people lay up on him, miss lobs that just 2 years ago would have easily got. Catch lobs and then miss the dunk attempt. He got horsed in the playoffs by hibbert who is bigger and kg who actually is smaller. Who had double digit rebounds in the first half of those playoff games

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Well pardon me if I don't trust you're skills at basketball observation. Seems as if you only watched the playoffs and aren't taking into consideration the fact TC was injured.

Here's a good article re Chandler's offensive impact..



Tyson Chandler: Best Center, Best Minimalist


By Ethan Sherwood Strauss, on December 20th, 2012


“I’m a basketball minimalist.” Brett Koremenos rocked my psyche with that self identification. The term now haunts so many of my NBA thoughts.


Brett offhandedly used his invented phrase over Gchat, in reference to the inexorably fluid spread pick-and-roll attack. It’s an approach that requires four three point shooters, one of whom waits for the pick from a non-shooting big man like Tyson Chandler. The offense conquers because it exists in just too much space for a defense to hug. It’s practically a cheat code.


For the offense to be even feasible, the Knicks need Tyson Chandler to compensate for all those defensively-deficient shooters with defense and rebounding. He does that, but he’s also about as good an offensive player there is to do it on seven shots per game.


Tyson Chandler can’t shoot well, or dribble well, and he’s a bit skinny. Though, I sometimes wonder whether he’d be worse for his team were he any more blessed in those categories. His lack of a jump shot has led to a cartoonish 70% field goal mark. His lack of a handle has led to one turnover per game. His lack of bulk means fewer shotclock ticks sacrificed to the altar of dribble-dribble-back-down post-ups. New York’s big man enters a game, and only expertly controls a manageable amount of reality.


The reigning assumption is that the best center must be someone who does a lot, especially in the scoring department. Chandler might be changing that notion, if we would only bother to notice what he’s doing.


Catch-all player performance statistics are inherently problematic, because the value of taking a shot will always be up for debate. I do like Win Shares on Basketball Reference because the metric rewards volume shooting less than some other stats do. This is not to say that those other metrics are worse–just that, WS provides a nice counter balance to the mainstream line of rewarding heavy involvement. By this measure, Tyson Chandler’s current Win Share average would qualify for better than any season in Hakeem Olajuwon’s past and all but one Shaq season. Lest you believe it’s a fluke, Chandler’s WS average last season was better than all but one Hakeem year.


I perhaps should have slowplayed you into that factoid. The idea of a 29 year-old non All Star as the league’s best center is already too much for some folks to handle. When you factor in that Chandler was traded for Emeka Okafor in 2009, and gifted to the Mavericks in 2010 for Erick Dampier’s contract, the whole case sounds all the more ludicrous.


But it doesn’t seem silly if you closely watch Tyson Chandler play, especially in his off-the-ball natural habitat. No center traverses more ground than Chandler, and perhaps no center owns more vertical space. The combination of his horizontal and vertical talent makes for a constant threat to the defense. He races out quickly to set a screen and dives back to the rim just as fast. Not only is he slick about setting sticky screens for driving guards, but Chandler’s also adept at spinning off the screen for an alley oop from said guard.


His occasional butt-screens (there is probably a more technical term) make for an amusing, effective tactic. Tyson will put his back and rear into a defender, and bounce off them towards the rim, like a pro wrestler leveraging the ropes. Once he makes a catch off these rim runs, it’s usually over. He’s too large and moving with too much ever-engulfing speed. The rushing wave will make the hoop splash.


The Minimalist also conveys a sense of moment with a mere one-hand redirecting of the basketball. Chandler has effectively closed out at least two games I’ve seen this season with a series of backtaps. Near the end of the fourth quarter, defenses tire in the same way an NFL D might start giving up chunks of rushing yardage. When this happens, Tyson is liable to make as little contact with the ball as possible while making as much impact on the game as possible. Then, teams in their final throes suffer the demoralizing death pang of watching Chandler tap out Knick misses again and again.


That’s Tyson Chandler, so special a specialist as to make him more valuable than any big man generalist. So maximally minimal as to be great. Nowadays, the center position isn’t dead; It’s just found a way to be dominant without dominating.
 

knicksince 93

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Well pardon me if I don't trust you're skills at basketball observation. Seems as if you only watched the playoffs and aren't taking into consideration the fact TC was injured.

Here's a good article re Chandler's offensive impact..



Tyson Chandler: Best Center, Best Minimalist


By Ethan Sherwood Strauss, on December 20th, 2012


?I?m a basketball minimalist.? Brett Koremenos rocked my psyche with that self identification. The term now haunts so many of my NBA thoughts.


Brett offhandedly used his invented phrase over Gchat, in reference to the inexorably fluid spread pick-and-roll attack. It?s an approach that requires four three point shooters, one of whom waits for the pick from a non-shooting big man like Tyson Chandler. The offense conquers because it exists in just too much space for a defense to hug. It?s practically a cheat code.


For the offense to be even feasible, the Knicks need Tyson Chandler to compensate for all those defensively-deficient shooters with defense and rebounding. He does that, but he?s also about as good an offensive player there is to do it on seven shots per game.


Tyson Chandler can?t shoot well, or dribble well, and he?s a bit skinny. Though, I sometimes wonder whether he?d be worse for his team were he any more blessed in those categories. His lack of a jump shot has led to a cartoonish 70% field goal mark. His lack of a handle has led to one turnover per game. His lack of bulk means fewer shotclock ticks sacrificed to the altar of dribble-dribble-back-down post-ups. New York?s big man enters a game, and only expertly controls a manageable amount of reality.


The reigning assumption is that the best center must be someone who does a lot, especially in the scoring department. Chandler might be changing that notion, if we would only bother to notice what he?s doing.


Catch-all player performance statistics are inherently problematic, because the value of taking a shot will always be up for debate. I do like Win Shares on Basketball Reference because the metric rewards volume shooting less than some other stats do. This is not to say that those other metrics are worse?just that, WS provides a nice counter balance to the mainstream line of rewarding heavy involvement. By this measure, Tyson Chandler?s current Win Share average would qualify for better than any season in Hakeem Olajuwon?s past and all but one Shaq season. Lest you believe it?s a fluke, Chandler?s WS average last season was better than all but one Hakeem year.


I perhaps should have slowplayed you into that factoid. The idea of a 29 year-old non All Star as the league?s best center is already too much for some folks to handle. When you factor in that Chandler was traded for Emeka Okafor in 2009, and gifted to the Mavericks in 2010 for Erick Dampier?s contract, the whole case sounds all the more ludicrous.


But it doesn?t seem silly if you closely watch Tyson Chandler play, especially in his off-the-ball natural habitat. No center traverses more ground than Chandler, and perhaps no center owns more vertical space. The combination of his horizontal and vertical talent makes for a constant threat to the defense. He races out quickly to set a screen and dives back to the rim just as fast. Not only is he slick about setting sticky screens for driving guards, but Chandler?s also adept at spinning off the screen for an alley oop from said guard.


His occasional butt-screens (there is probably a more technical term) make for an amusing, effective tactic. Tyson will put his back and rear into a defender, and bounce off them towards the rim, like a pro wrestler leveraging the ropes. Once he makes a catch off these rim runs, it?s usually over. He?s too large and moving with too much ever-engulfing speed. The rushing wave will make the hoop splash.


The Minimalist also conveys a sense of moment with a mere one-hand redirecting of the basketball. Chandler has effectively closed out at least two games I?ve seen this season with a series of backtaps. Near the end of the fourth quarter, defenses tire in the same way an NFL D might start giving up chunks of rushing yardage. When this happens, Tyson is liable to make as little contact with the ball as possible while making as much impact on the game as possible. Then, teams in their final throes suffer the demoralizing death pang of watching Chandler tap out Knick misses again and again.


That?s Tyson Chandler, so special a specialist as to make him more valuable than any big man generalist. So maximally minimal as to be great. Nowadays, the center position isn?t dead; It?s just found a way to be dominant without dominating.

You don't have to trust my instincts you watch the same game. I'm sure any knick fan sees him non contest shots every game. And get pushed around miss lobs. Ya know the things he's good at. In which are depleting. Actually in the game threads we talk about that. I'm also sure that a guy with a degree can with a journalism degree can write that article with all negative points about him. Rono my point is HE DOESN'T FINISH AT THE RIM AT THE SUCCESS RATE OF YEARS PAST! He doesn't get to or from his pick position as fast. Can jump as high so his already limited help defense and shot blocking abilities are even worse. If u take away his tips he really only averages about 7 to 8 boards a game. Pathetic for a 7 foot "defensive" center. That article also doesn't back your claim about him be our second best offensive player which is an abomination of an opinion

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knicksince 93

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Idk when that article was written, nor am I gonna google "why tyson chandler is valuable" but that article is true if its 2 years ago. I appreciate the attempt at backing your argument but its just the same thing as what you said. I read what you said and I don't care for a journalism degree-written point(because that doesn't make you a better basketball thespian, you can just articulate your points better) while doing that may impress less intelligent knick fans not me. I don't think you are the only person to share your stance on t.c. neither am I in my stance so I don't need to post someone elses same opinion as mine in a weak attempt at proof...I'm sorry rono but he's not that same enforcer he used to be. If he was then I'd appreciate it but his skills have degenerated.

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ronoranina

Fundamentally Sound
Idk when that article was written, nor am I gonna google "why tyson chandler is valuable" but that article is true if its 2 years ago. I appreciate the attempt at backing your argument but its just the same thing as what you said. I read what you said and I don't care for a journalism degree-written point(because that doesn't make you a better basketball thespian, you can just articulate your points better) while doing that may impress less intelligent knick fans not me. I don't think you are the only person to share your stance on t.c. neither am I in my stance so I don't need to post someone elses same opinion as mine in a weak attempt at proof...I'm sorry rono but he's not that same enforcer he used to be. If he was then I'd appreciate it but his skills have degenerated.

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The date is right on the article. What is there to not be sure of, or miss..?? Article was written just before Xmas last year, and based on his performance from the 1st half of last season, which was stellar.

No, posting researched statistical evidence from last season, including the stat showing clearly that TC was fourth in the league in win shares behind Durant, Paul and Lebron shows that I'm a "better basketball thespian" than you. I don't appreciate you not backing your argument, which has no basis other than a limited sample during which time TC was supposedly still injured and playing with said injury.

We'll see if what you say holds water. I think it's tough to tell whether or not he has lost a step or two, or if he was not the same last season because of the bulging disc in his neck. I'm betting based on his age and past performances that the latter is the case. Again we willl see :)
 

knicksince 93

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My argument is observation therefore I can't back it up until the season. HOWEVER I hope I'm wrong for the sake of our team. If I'm right we're screwed. In response to your win shares post( advanced stats are a big misconception) so he's higher then melo so chandler is more valuable to our wins then melo? I think not. To refute that I'll say he missed time and we had our best winning percentage while he was gone... we'll see but like I've said I don't want to be right here

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New New York

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So deandre isn't less experienced then a player who's been in the league over a decade? Silly response that's an obvious answer. Todays noah on that mavs team, they still win a championship. Noah on our team makes us waaaaaaaay better then tyson chandler. We wouldn't have lost to indy with noah. Tyson chandler isn't a great shot blocker, not a great rebounder, can't score, cant play help defense. In fact the only center he plays well is dwight Howard. But he has major offensive limitations as well. He went out for a substantial amount of time and we not only missed a beat we got better none of our numbers dipped. How is needed then. He's still serviceable and can still be a center on championship caliber teams if they don't have our deficiencies. You picked doc, he'll play him across from blake who will grab all the boards, or across from duncan who again will do the boarding and defense that chandler does. Chicago doesn't need him so pointless to respond to them. I'm not saying he's useless to us but if we could move him We'd be perfectly fine without him

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Wow so you are one of those type posters that flips words to make an argument work

You implied that DeAndre was simply just a less experienced TC and I am saying that Tyson is more than DeAndre Jordan with a few extra years....yeah I think it goes without saying who has played in more games.

But if it is years that you are talking about then consider this... more years does not automatically make a player more expereinced which you imply by stating Tyson has been in the league over a decade.

Example being Russell Westbrook vs. Jamal Crawford. Crawford in the league a decade (like Tyson) and Westbrook drafted the same year as Jordan but who would you call more experienced?

So you're wrong however you put it!

Umm...you say Tyson has offensive limitations but in the same breath you praise Noah who is even more offensively inept at scoring.

Tyson shot .633 from the floor to Noah's .488 Tyson does not try to do too much on offense Noah does. Noah turns the ball over nearly twice as much as Tyson...this is all because Tyson plays within his game Noah tries to do more than he is capable of...again I am not bashing Noah, he's got heart and hustle but Tyson is a better Center than Noah and this is only an argument now because of how Tyson played in the playoffs.

Coming into last season Tyson was considered an untouchable by Knick fans now they wanna dump him.
 

knicksince 93

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Wow so you are one of those type posters that flips words to make an argument work

You implied that DeAndre was simply just a less experienced TC and I am saying that Tyson is more than DeAndre Jordan with a few extra years....yeah I think it goes without saying who has played in more games.

But if it is years that you are talking about then consider this... more years does not automatically make a player more expereinced which you imply by stating Tyson has been in the league over a decade.

Example being Russell Westbrook vs. Jamal Crawford. Crawford in the league a decade (like Tyson) and Westbrook drafted the same year as Jordan but who would you call more experienced?

So you're wrong however you put it!

Umm...you say Tyson has offensive limitations but in the same breath you praise Noah who is even more offensively inept at scoring.

Tyson shot .633 from the floor to Noah's .488 Tyson does not try to do too much on offense Noah does. Noah turns the ball over nearly twice as much as Tyson...this is all because Tyson plays within his game Noah tries to do more than he is capable of...again I am not bashing Noah, he's got heart and hustle but Tyson is a better Center than Noah and this is only an argument now because of how Tyson played in the playoffs.

Coming into last season Tyson was considered an untouchable by Knick fans now they wanna dump him.

Wait did u just imply that Russell Westbrook has more experience then jamal crawford? That's just plain dumb like just dumb. Jamal Crawford is def a more experienced player then russell Westbrook. Does that mean he's better no, don't confuse talent with experience. That's not even worth a response. Its completely idiotic to say someone that only been in the league for Russell's years is more experienced then someone who been in it for a decade. Ny go learn what experience is before you chime in... so sad. Coming into last season he was considered untouchable but that was a whole year ago. Coming into last season we were still talking amare as an all star. Injuries happen and players regress. Yall keep referencing to what he did prior to last year. As rono stated he had a good first half then flamed out. So if he had a good first half but flamed out in the second half(prior to injury) and never recovered for the playoffs. So we played 30 games last year and he was good for the first 30, how can I not speculate. Actually I have more reason to be weary of him then yall do to be optimistic because even last years first half wasn't better then his previous years second half. He's been gradually declining since we got him and that's an obvious truth. So what are yall hyping him up for but make references to not last year but the previous year for proof. News flash it's not 2 years ago. He's changed. P.s. noah is better then dude he can actually hit a jump shot and has some kind of post game. Its beyond comparison. My brother is a Chicago fan and coming into last season I argued him up and down that tc was better then noah. Not anymore. I hope he can bounce back but declining nba players over 30 don't normally do that.

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Kiyaman

Legend
knicksince 93 .. I'm curious about ur bigman comments, how do u rate Tim Duncan performance in 2012-13?
ur argument against Tyson Chandler is really a justification for ISO-Melo at PF.

Noah got Boozer & Deng
Hibbert got West & Paul
Perkins got Ibaka & Durant
Gasol got Zach & Prince
Lopez got Evans & AK47
D.Howard got Smith & Parson
All of the above fowards are 6.9 and better ....
How well did 6.9 ISO-Melo & 6.6 JRsmith do in the Paint area in offense/defense to help Tyson?
A) above average
B) average
C) below average
If u selected C below average u are correct...
 

knicksince 93

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knicksince 93 .. I'm curious about ur bigman comments, how do u rate Tim Duncan performance in 2012-13?
ur argument against Tyson Chandler is really a justification for ISO-Melo at PF.

Noah got Boozer & Deng
Hibbert got West & Paul
Perkins got Ibaka & Durant
Gasol got Zach & Prince
Lopez got Evans & AK47
D.Howard got Smith & Parson
All of the above fowards are 6.9 and better ....
How well did 6.9 ISO-Melo & 6.6 JRsmith do in the Paint area in offense/defense to help Tyson?
A) above average
B) average
C) below average
If u selected C below average u are correct...

Huh??? Kiya go back to school please...my tc comments are saying he doesn't rebound or block shots or help defend but that somehow justifies iso melo? Wait but I'm saying also in my aforementioned posts that tyson would also have more success next to Blake Griffin ya know for rebounding, or tim Duncan who blocks shots or rebounds extremely well. Melo doesn't block shots or rebound any better then tyson chandler so I'm clearly not justifying anything here. You come out of left field with stuff that makes no sense and not relevant for the current thread. We're debating tc please let us do so. Comment on that or go to another thread.

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Kiyaman

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Huh??? Kiya go back to school please...my tc comments are saying he doesn't rebound or block shots or help defend but that somehow justifies iso melo? Wait but I'm saying also in my aforementioned posts that tyson would also have more success next to Blake Griffin ya know for rebounding, or tim Duncan who blocks shots or rebounds extremely well. Melo doesn't block shots or rebound any better then tyson chandler so I'm clearly not justifying anything here. You come out of left field with stuff that makes no sense and not relevant for the current thread. We're debating tc please let us do so. Comment on that or go to another thread.

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School of thought .. Tyson Chandler was a double-double center with 1 block per game in 2012-13 season (63%).
Throughout the 2012-13 season, Tyson Chandler had no bigmen help in paint or in his lineup on offense/defense.
The only PF on our roster Tyson was given steady minutes to GELL with in the lineup was ISO-Melo.
HC Woodson used PF-Rasheed, PF-Amare, and PF-Kenyon Martin as Tyson backup at center.
A Rasheed Wallace gave us 7 pts, 4 rb in 14 minutes (39%).
A Amare Stoudemire gave us 14 pts, 5 rb in 23 minutes (58%).
A Kenyon Martin gave us 7 pts, 5 rb in 23 minutes (60%)
Our 40 minute PF-ISO-Melo gave us 28 pts, 6 rb, 2 ast, on 44% shooting.

All of the above is history .. on what is needed to make our bigmen frontcourt rotation better next season with a 30 minute Tyson Chandler at center.
We added a 7.0 center Bargani to our roster, who career vs top centers & top PF have Bargani shooting below 35% and under 5 rebounds per 30 minutes.

We have 2 decent Star PF in 6.10 Amare and 6.9 Kenyon Martin, who I believe should be working-out in the offseason with Tyson & Bargani on offensive-plays and defensive-plays.
All this individual-work-out in the offseason with personal trainers in different cities each offseason has not help the chemistry of this Knicks team 3 high paid players (Tyson/Amare/Melo) .. the 3 top paid players has not showed any chemistry, or Gellin on offense or defense in two straight seasons.
This upcoming season we added a $10M C-Bargani, a $7M SF-Meta, and a $7M PG-Beno to the roster.
It's Sept, 6th, and all the players I mention in this thread not one has showed up to work-out this offseason at the Knicks practice facility with other Knicks teammates. So Knicks opticism this upcoming season is at a very low for me after HC Woody poor substitution, poor team defense, and 90% isolation offense.
 

knicksince 93

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wow, this thread doesn't look pretty for 93, at all.

Metro I just owned you, made u disappear for 2 weeks. Put the hit out to get u banned. Other posters followed suit. And I guarantee your whole approach and hotheaded responses will be much more tame after dealing with me. Fellow forum members your welcome

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metrocard

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Metro I just owned you, made u disappear for 2 weeks. Put the hit out to get u banned. Other posters followed suit. And I guarantee your whole approach and hotheaded responses will be much more tame after dealing with me. Fellow forum members your welcome

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lol, I left the site out of my own choice. You have and never had any impact, but whatever helps you sleep at night.


But I don't see what that has to do with my post. I was just commenting on how the major players on this site are really putting you to shame in the debate department and all you can do is reply unproductively.

When you start a post with "Go back to school please" then you really need to reconsider your status on this site and how people cringe when you post.

Atleast when I post, I make someone laugh and it's entertaining.

It's just painful to read your post at this point and this thread is evident because you can't go without throwing temper attacks at posters when you can't prove your point. It's unproductive posting. You can't debate, so you throw attacks. Weak.

I don't think this is a place for you, and stop aligning yourself with other forum members. No one here knows you. lol
 

metrocard

Legend
School of thought .. Tyson Chandler was a double-double center with 1 block per game in 2012-13 season (63%).
Throughout the 2012-13 season, Tyson Chandler had no bigmen help in paint or in his lineup on offense/defense.
The only PF on our roster Tyson was given steady minutes to GELL with in the lineup was ISO-Melo.
HC Woodson used PF-Rasheed, PF-Amare, and PF-Kenyon Martin as Tyson backup at center.
A Rasheed Wallace gave us 7 pts, 4 rb in 14 minutes (39%).
A Amare Stoudemire gave us 14 pts, 5 rb in 23 minutes (58%).
A Kenyon Martin gave us 7 pts, 5 rb in 23 minutes (60%)
Our 40 minute PF-ISO-Melo gave us 28 pts, 6 rb, 2 ast, on 44% shooting.

All of the above is history .. on what is needed to make our bigmen frontcourt rotation better next season with a 30 minute Tyson Chandler at center.
We added a 7.0 center Bargani to our roster, who career vs top centers & top PF have Bargani shooting below 35% and under 5 rebounds per 30 minutes.

We have 2 decent Star PF in 6.10 Amare and 6.9 Kenyon Martin, who I believe should be working-out in the offseason with Tyson & Bargani on offensive-plays and defensive-plays.
All this individual-work-out in the offseason with personal trainers in different cities each offseason has not help the chemistry of this Knicks team 3 high paid players (Tyson/Amare/Melo) .. the 3 top paid players has not showed any chemistry, or Gellin on offense or defense in two straight seasons.
This upcoming season we added a $10M C-Bargani, a $7M SF-Meta, and a $7M PG-Beno to the roster.
It's Sept, 6th, and all the players I mention in this thread not one has showed up to work-out this offseason at the Knicks practice facility with other Knicks teammates. So Knicks opticism this upcoming season is at a very low for me after HC Woody poor substitution, poor team defense, and 90% isolation offense.

When Sheed got hurt, our defense and offense together took a big shot to the knee.

It also exposed Mike Woodson a bit, I wasn't feeling Melo guarding the likes of Marc Gasol and various NBA centers.

The addition of Kenyon Martin help fill void that Rasheed left us.

We got Martin back, but he's a year older. Can he perform the same way he did last season?

A guy that the Knicks should look at is Renaldo Balkman. He's pretty improve his offensive game and his defense is still steller. He's also one of the best rebounders that doesn't have an NBA contract.



Right now, he's representing Puerto Rico in the FIBA Americas tournament in Caracas, Venezuela. This tournament will qualify a FIBA America team to Spain in 2014.

http://www.caracas2013.com/jugador.asp?r=85028&c=PUR&n=Puerto Rico&team=349

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20.6 ppg
8.4 rpg
1 asp
78%FG
80%FT

in 30 minutes per game.

Balkman, like Alfonso Soriano should have never left his home team.

I think Balkman would be a great 15th man addition to the team.

I don't trust Chandler's, Amare's and Bargnani's health.

Balkman will help Melo and let Melo move to his natural position of SF.

It'll also add a rebounder to make up for Bargnani and Amare.

That's just my little plan, I don't think Knicks will take action.

but at this point, Balkman right now is one of the best players outside the NBA or without an NBA contract.



Balkman is a DEFENSE guy...he'll be great in orange and blue.

most importantly, Balkman has reached his full potential in the pick and roll.

 

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lol, I left the site out of my own choice. You have and never had any impact, but whatever helps you sleep at night.


But I don't see what that has to do with my post. I was just commenting on how the major players on this site are really putting you to shame in the debate department and all you can do is reply unproductively.

When you start a post with "Go back to school please" then you really need to reconsider your status on this site and how people cringe when you post.

Atleast when I post, I make someone laugh and it's entertaining.

It's just painful to read your post at this point and this thread is evident because you can't go without throwing temper attacks at posters when you can't prove your point. It's unproductive posting. You can't debate, so you throw attacks. Weak.

I don't think this is a place for you, and stop aligning yourself with other forum members. No one here knows you. lol

Look at this civil response. Metro I'm proud you finally grew up. All it took was a potential petition to ban. Alot of boys need to be disciplined and then they understand how to act therefore we can actually debate stuff and not just verbal spat because you aren't a bad debater. Just a sucky forum member imo... anyway melo, jr ray are all more important to our team then tc. And bargs will be this year to

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