You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Hunter/gathers were not a typr of human...it was our first society. It is how early humans organized themselves and went about their daily lives. Their society was built on hunting and gathering food for the community.
Nonsense. It's weird to me how you guys hinge on man writing the bible, so it's full of fallacies based on that, yet believe everything man says about apes, monkeys and hunter gatherer societies. Amazing.
That fine...I guess Satan was smarter than you give him credit for. Humans do not need a supreme dictator to know what is right or wrong. I thought you believed in free will? Why do you look down on humans and yourself? You don't need the threat of eternal damnation to know not to still your neighbors possessions.
In fact we do. The supreme being is the law giver. He sets the boundaries for what is good vs bad according to his creations. Mankind has spent the vast majority of thier time on earth ignoring Jehovah's wise counsel. That is why mankind is always in peril, because we are doing opposite of what Jehovah deems correct for us to survive in true peace and happiness. So you are wrong, the devil is wrong and any other man who believes doing things opposite of what Jehovah deems best is wrong. And Just look at the last 6k years of mankind to verify this. Mankind ruling himself has been a fail. Even in the age of science, mankind is worst today than ever before. Shame you can't see that.
I ask you to examine the track record of religion. It has started more wars and justified more killings then any other thing. Power, treasures and land have nothing on religion when it comes to war. Further all religion was created by humans, implemented by humans and evolved through humans. This track record you speak of is the track record of religion.
Wrong, true worship of God was created by Jehovah! Before any world was created, Micheal the arch angel was witnessing of Jehovah. If you actually were in tune with what the bible is about, you might know this.
And yes, you are absolutely right, religion has been the cause of all deaths ever recorded. FALSE RELIGION. Jehovah God himself blames false religion for all the deaths in human history, according to the Bible. False religion started when the devil was able to convince Adam and Eve to stray from the only true God. In turn, when they listened to Satan, they then started following a false God. Now is the creation of FALSE RELIGION. And the God of false religion has clouded the minds of unbelievers to the point they wish not even find the truth, which will set them free.
I'm gonna say this, Jehovah's witnesses have been preaching the death of false religion for decades now. We are so close to the day when religion itself will be killed.The governments worldwide are so sick of religion, they will kill it. The Bible prophecies about this impending day, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. When this happens, everyone will know there is a Jehovah.
Anyone can write something vague enough with an open ended means of interpretation and given enough time you can apply that to many real life events. Look at Nostradamus...many of his quatrains have been said to have come true. Do you believe he is a prophet?
Please give me some concrete examples along with the text on these prophecies you claim have come true.
You've seen a few. Not going to keep posting things you choose to ignore. But this is one of my favs since it concerns people of our time and place.
Isa2:2 And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. 3 And many peoples will certainly go and say: ?Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.? For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 4 And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.
The only people adhering to this prophecy in our time are Jehovah's witnesses. Why? Because it's the only group of people on the earth that fit the description. Only people on earth who worship Jehovah according to his will, made up of many peoples and nationalities, that will not engage in warfare, which in turn promotes peace. If you are an objective person, before you rebuttle this, honestly ask yourself of another faith that can fit this bill. HONESTLY.
Before you reply anyone can fit this vague description, you should ask yourself, why only one group of people fit it. If you are being honest, It should make you ponder why no other people on earth are adhering to such a vague, open ended biblical verse.
Man recorded the story of Moses, not god. Did he exists? Yes. Is there proof of anything supernatural? No. He was a hero to many and stories were told about him. Over time the stories became more fantastical because that is human nature. You can see examples of exaggeration when you see a movie "based on real life". The story may be rooted in truth but to make it entertaining one must embellish.
Over time the stories became more fantastical based on what evidence? The evidence of Trill-I-said-so? This is more opinion than fact. If man wanted to make Moses story more fantastical, why not say he actually saw God, then God having to shield him so that he not have to die from seeing him on the mount? Why not say Moses was able to get into the promised land, instead of being shut out for taking credit away from Jehovah? Especially when he asked Jehovah's pardon 3 times before Jehovah told him never to ask again? Why just allow him to see the land, and not enter? That would be more fantastical don't you think? By the way, it should be noted that Moses wrote most of the early canons... So he could have chosen to make things up. His candor speaks volume of men putting God before their own selfish will.
This means nothing and is a dodge. I can say for certainty that King James compiled many stories and gospels into a single book. JW's decided to change that book. Now you have two different interpretations of the same stores. If that is not proof enough that the book should not be considered absolute truth than I don't know what is.
Actually, if you have been paying attention, I have said more than once that once the theme of the Bible is understood, any bible will suffice. Which is why Jehovah's witnesses invite people to use their bibles while they discuss the discourse.
However, without that, then you will get differences in every Bible, even other trinitarian based bibles. The laughable thing about this is the thought that Jehovah's witnesses have changed the bible. This is simply not true. In fact it is the only Bible on earth that is translated from the original Hebrew and Greek languages. THE ONLY ONE. Every other translation stems from mostly the spanish vulgate. And even with that being said, this is not a Knock on other translations, more than a big up for the NWT. ALL BIBLES IN EXISTENCE ARE GOD"S WORD. The goal of the NWT was to make a translation in modern english that accurately reflects the theme of the Bible, while Glorifying Jehovah the author, by reinstating the name of God some 7k times where it should appear in every other bible, but weirdly does not.
Question? If The name Jehovah appears 7k times in the Torah, which is the equivalent to the old testament in all modern bibles, Why is it that only one Bible on earth puts Jehovah's name where it applies in the original texts? Why remove the name of the God you worship from his book? Should it not be there? Especially since it's in the original language? But the people who wish to uphold God's standards and his name are the ones accused of changing God's word? Satan is clever.
The bible goes into specifics of the time when it talks about currency, specific locations and specific actions. (just to name a few) Murder is different than total inhalation or mass killings. Further the bible makes distinctions about different types of acts such as murder and execution. This tells us that the bible and the people who wrote it weren't simply speaking in moral genralities but were actually talking about specific acts. The fact that it does not make specific mention about things beyond their time cannot be ignored.
Are you trying to say there is a difference between murder and execution? I surely hope not. They are both murder. The one difference you can sight, is that one is illegal and the other gives governments the supposed right to legally murder someone, masking it with a clever calling like "execution".
No it's not. You cannot say that a clump of cells that cannot sustain itself without feeding off of the mother is alive. Every time you scratch you arm you kill millions of cells that contain your DNA and could with the proper scientific knowledge be grown into a fully formed human being. Remeber under your definition that everytime you do so you are committing genocide.
Stop it. There is a big difference in scratching an itchy arm, and still being able to live on, vs killing an unborn child. Besides, who needs scientific knowledge to clone a person when you can just procreate the way it was intended? I get what you're trying to say, but the analogy does not apply.
If we wanna get into semantics, I can say without oxygen non of us can sustain life. But since it's here, we can all live. Yes the fetus needs the mom to survive, so what? That means it's less of a being because it depends on another to sustain life temporarily? Word? It's murder. Point blank.
Yet you believe we were created in his image by him hence it is his fault. BTW, what arrogance us humans have...as if there were a supreme and all powerful being that he would resemble us in anyway.
God exercises Love, Wisdom, power and Justice. Humans at times do as well. Jesus Christ is mankind's foremost example of accurately reflecting these Godly qualities. So yea, we do resemble God in some ways. He wanted us to.
Sorry but I wont read your propaganda. If you want to have a debate then have one...don't send me to read some generic talking points.
But if you posted a link that would help answer my question, you'd view me as arrogant and ignorant for ignoring wise counsel that could help, correct? Your loss.
The Bible contains numerous prophecies, many of which have already been fulfilled. Consider an example. Through the prophet Isaiah, who lived in the eighth century B.C.E., Jehovah foretold that the city of Babylon would be destroyed. (Isaiah 13:19; 14:22, 23) Details were given to show just
how this would happen. Invading armies would dry up Babylon?s river and march into the city without a battle. That is not all. Isaiah?s prophecy even named the king who would conquer Babylon?Cyrus.?Isaiah 44:27?45:2. The Bible writer Isaiah foretold the fall of Babylon
14 Some 200 years later?on the night of October 5/6, 539 B.C.E.?an army encamped near Babylon. Who was its commander? A Persian king named Cyrus. The stage was thus set for the fulfillment of an amazing prophecy. But would the army of Cyrus invade Babylon without a battle, as foretold?
15 The Babylonians were holding a festival that night and felt secure behind their massive city walls. Meanwhile, Cyrus cleverly diverted the water of the river that flowed through the city. Soon the water was shallow enough for his men to cross the riverbed and approach the walls of the city. But how would Cyrus? army get past Babylon?s walls? For some reason, on that night the doors to the city were carelessly left open!
16 Regarding Babylon, it was foretold: ?She will never be inhabited, nor will she reside for generation after generation. And there the Arab will not pitch his tent, and no shepherds will let their flocks lie down there.? (Isaiah 13:20) This prophecy did more than predict a city?s fall. It showed that Babylon would be desolated
permanently. You can see evidence of the fulfillment of these words. The uninhabited site of ancient Babylon?about 50 miles south of Baghdad, Iraq?is proof that what Jehovah spoke through Isaiah has been fulfilled: ?I will sweep her with the broom of annihilation.??Isaiah 14:22, 23.%
No, you clearly don't understand my point. If god is all knowing and responsible for our creation than we need not walk the path...he already knows before we even exist what all our actions are going to be. It's already written so there is no free will...there is only a path we must walk to satisfy a supreme puppet master pulling all our strings.
You're point and how it is are two diff things. If God did not allow us to choose OUR path, then we wouldn't have free will. Him being all knowing, or having that ability is irrelevant in the free will argument. There absolutely is free will when God allows you to live and choose your own path, whether righteous or unrighteous. If Jehovah was into pulling strings as far as humans are concerned, we'd be robots all doing his will, whether we wanted to or not. Instead, we're here right now and you're telling me there is no Jehovah. Obviously, he is not pulling your strings. It really is not a tough concept to grasp.
Now you are making stuff up to fill the logical holes I am punching in your script. The bible is clear that god is ALL KNOWING. If you are to believe that you cannot make up that he somehow uses his own powers to hide his own omniscient knowledge. Nice try though...
Gen 6:5 Consequently Jehovah saw that the badness of man was abundant in the earth and every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time. 6 And
Jehovah felt regrets that he had made men in the earth, and he felt hurt at his heart.
Why would a being who sees all things regret anything, unless he allowed things to play itself out at times? Does not make sense that he would choose to see the future of man before he makes them and makes them anyway, in light of him seeing he himself will regret making man at one point.
Bottom line is, having an ability and exercising it are two different things. If we can choose to use or not use an ability, what stops Jehovah? The bible says Jehovah is all powerful, yet he still has not used his power to cleanse the earth of wickedness..... YET! If he can curb his anger, if he can curb his power, why can he not curb his ability to foresee the future? Ahh... Because you say so? Nice try.
An all knowing being knows what you would pray, think and what is in your heart therefore does not need you to pray. You pray to fulfill your own needs, not gods. BTW, when you pray...does god answer? Not metaphorically either. Do you actually hear a response?
Depends on what you're praying for. If we are praying for things according to the Good will of Jehovah, they will be done. And no, Jehovah has never spoken to me, nor do I expect him to. In fact, it might scare the hell outta me, so I prefer signs anyways.
And again, Prayer is a direct line to Jehovah. If he is listening, if he answers, clearly he is affected by it as well. He does not have to say a word for me to know a prayer has been answered.
So when you see the following chart do you chalk it up to a trick the devil plays on us? I guess all those fossil records and DNA are all bogus too.
Listen, like I tell LJ all the time. When they find a species that appears to be half man half ape, like this drawing appears to be, we'll talk. Up until now, what has been found has either been primate or homo species. ONE OR THE OTHER. Not both intertwined like this picture makes it appear.
By the way, do not scoff at the power of the devil. When he fooled Adam and Eve he did this by hiding behind a snake, while not revealing himself. All he cared about was them straying from God He does not care to receive the credit. In fact, it's better if he does not exist at all, so that man can think they've got it all figured out on their own! So if you think having humans think they came from monkey's is not on the list of lies....
Yet both are written and books by people who thought they were gods. How can you pick and chose what to believe? Zeus and Hercules predate Jesus by many years. The father of Western civilization, the Greeks believed it to be true. It allowed them to form the first Democracy, study philosophy, study mathematics and lay the ground word for all we take for granted.
You are not serious, are you? Why would you believe in fairytales versus a person who actually lived? Do we really need to ask which is more credible? The myth or an actual person? Word?
And for all the things the Greek society stood for, it's dead today. And so are their beliefs. Why? Because Zeus and Hercules never happened, while Jesus is the greatest man BY FAR to ever live. Which is why the Greeks adopted Christianity... Because it was REAL.
Oh, that's right, we're men. Imperfect, all knowing book says so. so it must be. (I'll take science and verifiable data over mans fairytales from thousands of years ago any day)
How can events involving real people be classified fairytales? That would be like someone classifying your life as one to you. Would seem absurd, correct?
Yes. If you understood science and properties of randomness then you would know. Our universe is so large that all we see is just the roll of a near infinite sided dice. One action leading to another and then another and so on. A massive explosion spread matter though out our know universe and was so wide and varied that it had no other choice but to settle over enough time into some type of order. This can be observed on a smaller scale here on earth. Weather patterns and DNA come to mind.
The diff is you can monitor weather and dna patterns. You can only guess about the big bang theory, no matter how smart a person is... It's a damn guesstimate. Which is why not all scientists agree with the theory.
Further, science does explain why galaxies and don't form and why stars die. The fact that you are ignorant to these truths only highlights that you are arguing against science without understanding it. Now that is knee slap sad...
So the answers science has today for these things will be the answers for it 500 years from now, without fail? Because science has a way of changing course of thinking, even radically from decade to decade it seems. One generation Neanderthals are ape men like, now they depict them more modern looking than previously thought. And the revisions are to be excused because they are all just theories to begin with.
Are you willing to stand here and say that the answers that science gives you today for why stars die and galaxies don't form will be the same 500 years from now? If you say anything but yes to this question, then I have to wonder why you believe the answers given now.
Science has proven that life did not always exist on earth nor was the climate able to sustain higher organisms like humans. Humans have walked the earth for a tiny part of the earths existence. The earth will be here long after we are gone.
The bible agrees with that assessment. It goes through the stages of the earths formation, readying for life. And no, the earth was made for life. As long as there is an earth, life will exist on it.
It is not an anomaly...we are not alone. The universe is vast and varrying and the sheer size would lead one to conclude there is other life out there. It has yet to be proven but one can safely bet there is life on other planets.
So you're willing to bet on something unproven? A theory in essence? The universe is soooo big it HAS to have other life? You just made something unproven a fact in your mind. You have brainwashed yourself! Things don't have to be proven to be true to be true in your mind, yet you scoff at the bible and it's truths as fairytales.... Unbelievable.
You know nothing but what another flawed man told you who in turn heard it from yet another flawed human. so on and so one...again, remember the game operator?
I can look at the world and see it's rapid decay and the rapid ascension of true worship of Jehovah, and know that these men must have been inspired from someone higher than they were to know what would be happening on earth long after they died.
LOL. So if I start a group called the "Seer's of Light" or the "Brothers of Adam" then I can claim my people existed during creation or were around during the time of Adam? It's nonsense! The founder of your sect picked out the word "witness" from the bible and started a group. Nothing more. You cannot pick out the word witness from the bible and claim you predate anyone.
Except for the fact that it was Jehovah who chose to call those who worship him his witnesses. In effect, the Jews were the first group of people considered Jehovah's witnesses. And secondly, Russell was dead long before the Bible Students adopted the name Jehovah's Witnesses in the 30's. So get it correct next time.
Jehovah is the one who decides who his witnesses are. Which is why the bible calls Jesus "THE FAITHFUL AND TRUE WITNESS". Witness of who is Jesus? Jesus said he was around before the worlds were made. So that means if he is THE FAITHFUL AND TRUE WITNESS, he's been that, long before the worlds were made.Therefore, Jehovah's witnesses were around long before they appeared on earth. I mean, that's just good ole common sense.
Ahh I see. So you believe homosexuality in people is a sin yet animals incapable of sin manifesting homosexuality is to be ignored. How convenient!
I say it's a sin based on what Jehovah says. Either way, animals and humans are different. One group is made in God's image, the other isn't. Huge gap there.