Jose Juan Barea

[nyk_nyk]

I'd pass on Barea. He had his moments last season but i'd rather have a more athletic taller PG running things with at least above average passing ability. Plus why would Barea make sense when we have Douglas.

IMO they're nearly the same offensively and neither are considered passing PGs. I was hoping for Tinsley but I'd take Baron if he's available.

 

[TR1LL10N]

As you say... you still didn't answer my question.

Who? Who [will be] available?

Possibilities?

Long-shots?

Who?

W-H-O?

As in name me a few...

As in could possibly be...

As in if things go right...

Get it?

Let me get my crystal ball out to know exactly who will make it through the waiver process passed all the other teams under the cap who have the ability to snatch up amnestied players so I can answer your question. I am almost certain you have no idea how the amnesty process works, how and who will be available to us and it seems you are just looking for ways to play a game of gotcha two minutes after our acquisition.

Let me ask you a question:

Is our frontline and large market appealing to vets and other free agents? I think the answer is obviously yes as we have moved towards elite status.

 

[ronoranina]

Beaubois? yea, Beaubois is probably the reason Dallas wouldn't deal for Billups, no need to, cuz that dude can play.

Yea that dude lol.. I was close w the spelling, got latter half right. :lol:

 

[metrocard]

In regards to JJ Barea, I direct you here

he averaged 3.9 assists per game in 20 minutes. he's not a starter in this league and whoever gets him will probably overpay for him. Even in the playoffs, he only averaged 18 minutes a game. I'm presuming too much on non-existent things? No, I'm going by the numbers and you are simply making things up "he's a strong assist man". Based on what?

3.9 assist a game in 20 minutes playing SG is actually great.

Here your problem. You dont know who Barea is; hence the Wikipedia reference and you not knowing Barea finished the year starting and playing a big role for Dallas(best team in the NBA). You keep saying Barea isn't a starter has absolutely no validity or substance. Barea is starter quality. He proved it at the highest level in the finals. Dallas didn't start Barea to be cute. Barea's penetration attack and high motor was a special asset that Dallas needed and Barea delivered.
Barea's defense got a lot better and he's good now at fighting picks and moving laterally. So sorry if you missed out last year to see him play live where you're only narrowed to a weak Wikipedia reference

 

[metrocard]

I'd pass on Barea. He had his moments last season but i'd rather have a more athletic taller PG running things with at least above average passing ability. Plus why would Barea make sense when we have Douglas.

IMO they're nearly the same offensively and neither are considered passing PGs. I was hoping for Tinsley but I'd take Baron if he's available.

100% wrong.

Barea averaged almost 8 assist per 40 mostly playing SG. May I ask you if you consider that below average or average passing?

Douglas is a SG playing PG last year.
Barea is a PG playing SG last year. (Makes sense when Kidd is the PG).


You guys can pass on JJ, but stop making false statements.

 

[galloisking]

barea sounds great but idk where u guys think we r getting the money for him...with the signing if Chandler we have no more cap space

the only way we could get him is with the MLE which is gone if we use amnesty on billups...so in order to get bares we would have to trade billups and not use amnesty

 

[metrocard]

He is still not a good defender in anyway.



I really doubt he can be a good starter. He is very inconsistent already and would be a gigantic defensive liability if he plays 30+ minutes a game.

Also look at that video you posted when he runs the PnR with Dirk. He gets wide open lanes because Dirk's man does not help off of Dirk. He won't be getting those wide open lanes on the Knicks, since we do not have an amazing 7 foot shooter. Hell even in that video he missed a lot of shots near the hoop because of his size. He is a role player at best.

Not true.

Bareas defense was actually an asset for Dallas. He was never a liability if he was he wouldn't have been starting. Size doesn't matter. Chuck Hayes was one of the best defense centers in the NBA at 6"6. Barea isn't elite but he isn't bad. You're ultimately wrong about Barea defense and will continue to be wrong until you extend your research.

 

[Red]

Let me get my crystal ball out to know exactly who will make it through the waiver process passed all the other teams under the cap who have the ability to snatch up amnestied players so I can answer your question. I am almost certain you have no idea how the amnesty process works, how and who will be available to us and it seems you are just looking for ways to play a game of gotcha two minutes after our acquisition.

Let me ask you a question:

Is our frontline and large market appealing to vets and other free agents? I think the answer is obviously yes as we have moved towards elite status.

No n!gga, I'm being sincere. I posted the new CBA (b list) rules and am aware that under cap teams have first dibs on amnestied players. Cut it out.

I'm simply curious as to who we should (or hope) to be targeting so I can do some research while remembering how all the MOA supporters

1. Didn't agree we needed a big over a pg

2. Claimed players would be lined up willing to take less (I disagreed)- thus giving us the pick of the proverbial scrap heap litter

3. Argued for years how MOA NEEDS a certain type of pg for his beloved system

Therefore... I have to anticipate minds have not changed nd a plan for this specific guard is being formulated (or maybe MOA is the wrong coach)

So when I hear we plan on targeting B Diddy, a player who hasn't been amnestied yet, I assume there are other considerable options.

Throw a few out there... or else MOA is a dead man.

Don't forget... there are no excuses, because I didn't.

What "pass first" pg(s) could be a possibility?

 

[LJ4ptplay]

I think Barea will be offered more than we can offer. The most we can give him is $2.5 mil, the mini-MLE.

 

[NYKnicks11]

3.9 assist a game in 20 minutes playing SG is actually great.

LMAO Barea never plays SG. He is always the PG when he is on the court.

http://www.82games.com/1011/10DAL1.HTM#bypos

You keep saying Barea isn't a starter has absolutely no validity or substance. Barea is starter quality.

So how does your argument have and validity or substance? Barea stated a whopping 2 games last year. In the playoffs he started 3 games. That makes him starting quality how? He averages about 20 MPG the last few years. What is your argument for him being starting quality? The fact he started 3 games in the finals?

He proved it at the highest level in the finals. Dallas didn't start Barea to be cute. Barea's penetration attack and high motor was a special asset that Dallas needed and Barea delivered.

Yet he averaged FEWER MPG in the playoffs overall, and shot 38% in the finals.

Barea's defense got a lot better and he's good now at fighting picks and moving laterally. So sorry if you missed out last year to see him play live where you're only narrowed to a weak Wikipedia reference

You can keep saying that all you want, but he still allowed his matchup to shoot 49% eFG% against him. His size is a big disadvantage, and he can't improve that.

Barea averaged almost 8 assist per 40 mostly playing SG. May I ask you if you consider that below average or average passing?

Actually he was playing PG.

Douglas is a SG playing PG last year.
Barea is a PG playing SG last year. (Makes sense when Kidd is the PG).

Then why in the video you posted, both Kidd and Barea were in the game. Yet Barea was running the point.......

Not true.

Bareas defense was actually an asset for Dallas. He was never a liability if he was he wouldn't have been starting. Size doesn't matter. Chuck Hayes was one of the best defense centers in the NBA at 6"6. Barea isn't elite but he isn't bad. You're ultimately wrong about Barea defense and will continue to be wrong until you extend your research.

Um he started 3 games in the playoffs. 2 games during the regular season. His defense IS A LIABILITY. How does him starting 3 games all of a sudden make him a good defender? Can you explain why he is a good defender then? Saying size doesn't matter and then showing how Chuck Hayes is a good defender has absolutely nothing to do with Barea's defense. Can you show me your research, since I'm somehow wrong but I have shown much more "research" than you have so far.

 

[metrocard]

I don't believe Barea is full-time starting material in the League.

He's very adequate as a back-up.

I think Arroyo is better than him. Not sure he's even better than that French dude Buboi, or whatever his name is.. who's also on Dallas and plays behind him.

How can a 3rd PG be better than a starter on a championship team? Riddle me that Batman.

Ha WELL don't know how smart it is to even speak about an athlete when you don't even know how to spell their name

 

[smokes]

I think Barea will be offered more than we can offer. The most we can give him is $2.5 mil, the mini-MLE.

We can only hope his desire to play for NY is greater than his desire for money. Unlikely but who knows. There was an article about how he'd love to play here.

I think a backcourt of Douglas/Barea would be pretty good. Neither of them are top notch passers but between them they could do a nice job. Barea is a penetrations specialist and Douglas has the outside shot. Both are fast and pesky which would give us nice opportunities on fast breaks.

I'd like the signing if we played those two together in the backcourt. It would be like the AC/Douglas combo but with someone who isn't 40.

 

[metrocard]

:agreed: please knock some reality into this guy. I think ESPN ran that Barea highlight against the Lakers SO much, people are convinced he's a great player.....the numbers say otherwise. I mean, evidence enuff is that Jason Kidd and Terry are like 800 years older than Barea and they averaged 13 minutes more than Barea over the course of the season.

Despite their age Terry and Kidd would be full time starters on the Knicks and a lot of teams.

 

[NYKnicks11]

How can a 3rd PG be better than a starter on a championship team? Riddle me that Batman.

Ha WELL don't know how smart it is to even speak about an athlete when you don't even know how to spell their name

Please stop calling Barea a starter. He stated 5/102 games last year. That doesn't make him a starter.

 

[KingCharles34]

How about Barea and Douglas as a 2 headed point guard temporarily? In my opinion Barea is a borderline starter, douglas is a solid backup. I would prefer Barea as a backup but at the same time having Barea would be better then just having Douglas and having to play Shumpert at PG. I could be wrong about shumpert, for now im going off very little but most people view him as a 2 guard with some passing skills. We could give Barea a try, see how the Knicks do with him as a starter. A couple posters did a good job of talking about Chandler and how he can fix mistakes made defensively, hes here to protect the rim.

 

[CuseGirl]

Despite their age Terry and Kidd would be full time starters on the Knicks and a lot of teams.

but if Barea is a young starting point guard in this league whose lack of height isn't even a factor in his defensive skills, why isn't he starting over Jason Kidd or Terry?

The answer is: the first part of the question is completely false and 2 different forum members have showed you evidence why. So please give it up.

 

[KDog13]

I love the Knicks, watch all there games but Mavericks are my number 1 by something you'd need the best microscope to see.

Barea is awesome, not sure we can afford him with the Chandler deal and all but he is a special player. He's quick, gets into the paint and sets up the big men. He can hit it from downtown although he struggled early in the Finals, he did work when it counted towards the closing time.

I think we have a good team and our needs go beyond him. Not saying this cause I want him back as a Maverick although it be nice but because I think in light of Billups n Turiaf who r soon to be gone we need a veteran PG. Also with Chandler here which I'm excited he chose the Knicks. Only 2 destinations I wanted him, and this was one of em.

I think Baron Davis if he if he gets waived via the amnesty clause would be a perfect fit, and we need to offer more then shit to Shawne Williams. Guy was amazing for us, throughout the year. IF we have any room salary cap wise after filling out the roster...I'd say wait till Chandler is bought out and make him a solid offer sheet offer. At the very least.

 

[ronoranina]

How can a 3rd PG be better than a starter on a championship team? Riddle me that Batman.

Ha WELL don't know how smart it is to even speak about an athlete when you don't even know how to spell their name

Oh please.. He's a third string guard for crying out loud. I don't have to remember how every frigging player's name is spelled. And I didn't feel like lookin it up. Cut me some slack lol..

And the Beaubois kid is pretty good Metro.

He's reminded me alot of Tony Parker when I've watched him.

He's better than Barea dude.

Oh.. and I think Beaubois was making a comeback from foot surgery. He's expected to make a full recovery.

Watch out for em next year..

 

[moneyg]

the good thing about barea is that he is agood pick and roll player.. that is what we need. slow this offense down a bit and get the ball to melo , stat and alley ooopppps to tyson

 

[metrocard]

NYKnicks11, I've watched a lot of Dallas games, I respect 82 games, but I've seen many times Barea positioned at the 2 as well as the 1. Nothing is more valid than watching the game my brother.

Starting 3 games in the Finals is pretty legit for a 3rd year player, don;t you think?

Barea's impact is beyond stats. If you actually watched the games, you would understand this.

Barea's defense isn't bad. It has disadvantages, but I don't see them being big. Defense isn't about size all the time. Barea's lateral agility helps him fight through picks and make it difficult for penetration. Sure you can shoot over him, but thats the case for most PG's.
Derek Fisher is 6"2 but slow as shit and couldnt stay infront of Barea. Defense is not all about size like I said. Hayes is 6"6 but a superior defender in compared with most centers...he has great footwork....watch a game and you'll see.

Footwork is KEY and theres no STAT to measure it.

As an athlete I just appreciate things like more than the average fan.


Peace.

You're complicating yourself.