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kiyaman the bonafied idiot reminding me why I stopped posting here in the first place
peace[/QUOTE] me like wise.... peace. dudes a moron
peace[/QUOTE] me like wise.... peace. dudes a moron
me like wise.... peace. dudes a moron[/QUOTE]kiyaman the bonafied idiot reminding me why I stopped posting here in the first place
peace
I was reading they were trying to deal Prigioni to get rid of Ellington which made no sense. We removed the protection on the 2nd round pick we dealt to Portland in the Felton trade now owned by the Kings, minor trade but I do remember when I thought Travis Outlaw was a stud and I like Phil wheeling and dealing.I can't make a new thread but knicks made a trade
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...gs-trade-quincy-acy-wayne-ellington/13675973/
ellington and tyler and a 2nd round pick for Quincy acy and travis outlaw
Crazy8's web site had more impact than anything else, KOL even with Crazy8 was never very big but when he left and took maybe a dozen or so members with him that put a dent in the activity around here. I do miss Crazy8's and Metrocard around here, probably 2 of the best posters on KOL but having those two guys on the same BBS just wasn't possible.
I agree but being an open forum is not helping. We need members and activity, having 10 guys talking among themselves is not going to cut it. I don't see KOL going another 2 seasons with the membership the way it is now and the only reason it makes it through this season is Rady has already paid for the hosting services for this upcoming season.KO Forum are one of the last "Open-minded free commenting" forums on the web.
I agree but being an open forum is not helping. We need members and activity, having 10 guys talking among themselves is not going to cut it. I don't see KOL going another 2 seasons with the membership the way it is now and the only reason it makes it through this season is Rady has already paid for the hosting services for this upcoming season.
I've never been a huge fan of Melo, but much of the recent criticism seems unfair and inaccurate. The 'he did it for the money' argument doesn't hold water. He would have made more money had he never opted out. The truth is the Knicks are not that far behind Chicago. We didn't make the playoffs and Chicago got crushed in the first round. It's not like he turned down the Clippers.
You need a superstar to build around and if Melo can adapt to the triangle this can be a very serious playoff contender in the eastern conference.
Grading Phil: Bringing in Fisher was a good move but it's still too early to grade this move. Trading Chandler and Felton was an excellent move. Felton is finished and Chandler has spoken freely against Woodson. Not good to have a player undermining a coach. Bringing in Calderon was definitely an upgrade at pg. Time will tell obviously, but these moves look good.
I've never been a huge fan of Melo, but much of the recent criticism seems unfair and inaccurate. The 'he did it for the money' argument doesn't hold water. He would have made more money had he never opted out. .
I wonder if that's when "winning" would have been more important to Melo when being asked and he would have went to another team.Sure would have liked to see Phil offer Melo something like 100M over 5 years and say "We think it's a fair offer, it's more than Carmelo could make anywhere else and it gives the Knicks more flexibility to build the competitive team Carmelo wants". Would have loved to see Melo's reaction if Phil told him that.
I say very average, the way he handled the carmela negotiations was not very good. Losing out on kerr was a negative, not that kerr is some HOF coach, but the thinking was that PHIL's name and reputation was supposed to be the ace in the hole for the knicks.. so far, I don't see that..
Today’s question: How would you grade Phil Jackson so far?
When Phil Jackson took over as Knicks president in mid-March, he had the tall task of rebuilding the Knicks in his desired image of team ball, keeping Carmelo Anthony, fixing the Knicks’ salary cap and finding a new coach.
In just a few months, Jackson has already put his finger prints on the organization. To be honest, I have been somewhat surprised at how much Jackson has done in a short time already.
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Jackson hired trusted former player Derek Fisher as coach last June.
Let’s start with his biggest win to date as first-time team president –- keeping Melo. Sure, Jackson had the cards stacked in his favor with the ability to pay Anthony more than any other team. But Anthony could have easily left to join Derrick Rose in Chicago or Kobe Bryant in Los Angeles or Dwight Howard in Houston.
Anthony says his decision came down to the Knicks and Bulls. Chicago pulled out all the stops as Tom Thibodeau and the Bulls organization did their best to convince Anthony that the Bulls were his best chance to win a title in the near future.
But Jackson provided Anthony with enough of a plan to convince him to stay. Without a doubt, money ($124 million) played a role in keeping Anthony. But Jackson did convince Anthony to take $5 million less than the max to help a bit with the cap. His steady demeanor, calming influence and all those championship rings certainly were a factor in Anthony’s decision.
Anthony bought into Jackson’s vision and plan for the Knicks’ future. A rebuilding project that will be directed by Derek Fisher. Jackson’s second-biggest move of his tenure thus far was the hiring of Fisher.
Fisher may be unproven having never coached before. And he was Jackson’s second choice
behind Steve Kerr. But after losing Kerr, Jackson got the next best option and really the only solid alternative left from his coaching tree to sell to the fan base.
Jackson absolutely needed Fisher. He wanted a coach who was molded in his image. A coach who was familiar with the intricacies of the triangle, a proven winner and someone with the type of personality to handle New York. Fisher fits the bill. And look, it’s possible that Fisher ends up being a better coach than Kerr, who also has never coached before.
Jackson will mentor Fisher and be able to establish the team-first culture he wants through the former Lakers point guard.
If these had been the only two moves Jackson had made going into the new season, the Zen Master would have had a successful summer. But he also made other moves that showed he isn’t standing pat and waiting until next summer to start changing the Knicks’ identity.
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Carmelo Anthony is the Knicks' biggest star. He's also one of the all-time greats. Jackson unloaded the unhappy Tyson Chandler and disappointing Raymond Felton to Dallas in exchange for Jose Calderon, Samuel Dalembert, Shane Larkin and two second-round picks.
I felt the Knicks lost value in Chandler’s defense/rebounding and his expiring contract. But in order to get rid of Felton, Jackson had to do it. Also, Chandler seemed like he was ready for a fresh start elsewhere and Jackson cited chemistry as a reason for doing the deal.
Calderon will be a slight upgrade over Felton. Reason I say that is his defense certainly will be exposed on some nights. He should be a better shooter and distributor than Felton and likely a better fit in the triangle. By all accounts, Calderon is a well-liked player in the locker room so that bodes well for chemistry. But again, defensively, Calderon could struggle.
Dalembert will help replace some of the things Chandler gave the Knicks. He can rebound and block shots. His basketball IQ may not be as good as Chandler’s though. Chandler was the defensive quarterback of the team.
Larkin is the wild card in the trade. I do like Jackson getting the former first-round pick back in this deal. Even if Larkin doesn’t pan out, it is worth seeing if the speedy guard can reach his first-round potential under Fisher’s guidance. If he does, that would be a very pleasant surprise.
Jackson also was able to get the Knicks back into the draft after initially having no picks due to previous trades. He used one of his second rounders on Cleanthony Early, who could end up being a contributor. At the very least, Anthony provides the Knicks with some more young legs and a potential asset as Jackson wants his team to get out in transition.
The Knicks president wasn’t done wheeling and dealing. He signed center Jason Smith in free agency, providing the Knicks some much-needed height and depth inside. Smith could be a terrific fit in the triangle with his ability to hit from the outside and he can be a shot-blocker as well if he can remain healthy.
And Jackson dealt Wayne Ellington, who also came in the Dallas deal, and Jeremy Tyler to Sacramento for Travis Outlaw and Quincy Acy to add more depth at forward and some toughness in Acy.
All in all, Jackson was probably busier than most would have predicted in his first few months on the job. He could have stood pat and just re-signed Anthony and hired Fisher. But he made other moves to try to improve the team for this season and retain cap flexibility.
Obviously, he has many more moves to make with next summer, which is a critical offseason for him. That is when he will truly earn his big bucks. But through the first six months on the job, Jackson deserves a B+ so far.
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F for Fail for the ****ty season. He hasn't changed anything as far as the culture and that triangle is an overrated piece of crap, it's the players that make the system not the other way around
Incomplete for creating all that cap space and putting the Knicks in a position for one of the top 5 picks in the draft. He has no excuses for not turning around the Knicks next season. Not making the playoffs next year and hearing excuses about it takes time to build a team with the worst record to a playoff contender is not going to cut it with me.
F+ ..for FAILURE!!!
How could the famous "ZEN" let a basketball dummy James Dolan talk him into resigning a CANCER player Carmelo Anthony at a ridiculous price NO team in the league will ever trade for?
I understand its Dolan money and team, but Phil Jackson will be taken credit for a Isiah Thomas move as president.
The $124M contract should let everyone know James Dolan gave the future to ISO-Melo
The individual player ...This time next year u will have excuses of starting all over
In 2010 we gave the future of the Knicks to Amare for $100M.
I wasn't to happy with the amount $$$ of Amare signing, but Amare had the Knicks playin .500 b.ball.
In 2011 we gave Melo a $100M to help Amare advance the team above .500 b.ball.
In 2011 Melo took over the Knicks team, forcing everyone to endure Melo's individual way of playing.
Carmelo Anthony only knows one way to play...Individual isolation b.ball.