So Mozgov plays, Walker sits

Why can't D'Antoni keep more guys in the rotation? It's funny how D'Antoni says he liked that Walker was doing more than just shooting threes when that's the length of time he usually had him in for and probably wanted him to do that.

The Robinson trade for him was good since we didn't lose versatility on offense and he gets rebounds and stuff. We need somebody like him.

Also, I know he was crazy at times, but I do miss Nate. He could take over a game. Look at him now. Doc Rivers isn't having a tough time with him. Sure, his teammates are much more successful veterans who probably could make sure Robinson keeps a good enough maturity level then the teammates he had on the Knicks, but I think D'Antoni is stubborn. We could have our back-up PG now in Nate if it wasn't for him. It's not like he was a complainer.

Anyway, play Walker. He's good. Better shooter than Gallo and can drive.

I wish we would see more Walker as well...he's not going to win the MVP or anything like that, but he's a solid player who can get to the basket and give us a good 10-15 minutes every nite.

RunningJumper said:

Why can't D'Antoni keep more guys in the rotation? It's funny how D'Antoni says he liked that Walker was doing more than just shooting threes when that's the length of time he usually had him in for and probably wanted him to do that.

The Robinson trade for him was good since we didn't lose versatility on offense and he gets rebounds and stuff. We need somebody like him.

Also, I know he was crazy at times, but I do miss Nate. He could take over a game. Look at him now. Doc Rivers isn't having a tough time with him. Sure, his teammates are much more successful veterans who probably could make sure Robinson keeps a good enough maturity level then the teammates he had on the Knicks, but I think D'Antoni is stubborn. We could have our back-up PG now in Nate if it wasn't for him. It's not like he was a complainer.

Anyway, play Walker. He's good. Better shooter than Gallo and can drive.

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I agree, nate would be a great spark off the bench for us. He got great energy and great scoring abilities, his on ball defensive is sick too. I dont agree that Walker is a better shooter then Galo tho. Walker is just as inconsistent as Galo lol.

welcometonycity said:

I agree, nate would be a great spark off the bench for us. He got great energy and great scoring abilities, his on ball defensive is sick too. I dont agree that Walker is a better shooter then Galo tho. Walker is just as inconsistent as Galo lol.

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Gallo gets a lot of minutes and misses too many. Walker a lot of times gets put in and knocks them down right away with not that many minutes.

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Anyway, play Walker. He's good. Better shooter than Gallo and can drive.

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r u kidding? gallo is a ten times better shooter and he is now better at driving compared to walker (who only chucks up bricks now)

galloisking said:

r u kidding? gallo is a ten times better shooter and he is now better at driving compared to walker (who only chucks up bricks now)

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He scored more than Gallo tonight. He also drives when he's played consistently.

welcome to antoni's world

Antoni plays a short rotation, that's his game. Mozgov in, Walker out.
Walker will only get reduced run when someone's not playing well, or injured.

N8 was not just a great spark plug, but a great pain in Antoni's ass, so he's gone.
doesn't matter if trading him was to detriment of team, the ego rules.

CoolClyde said:

Antoni plays a short rotation, that's his game. Mozgov in, Walker out.
Walker will only get reduced run when someone's not playing well, or injured.

N8 was not just a great spark plug, but a great pain in Antoni's ass, so he's gone.
doesn't matter if trading him was to detriment of team, the ego rules.

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This accounts for a lot of our problems with D'Antoni. Bill Walker is a talented player and can really help us, yet despite always playing well when in, he never sees playing time -- unless injuries occur, that is.

Agreed on Walker.

Walker can make it so that Fields is only playing 30 minutes a night.

Williams can make it so that Gallo is only playing 30 minutes a night.

Randolph can make it so that Amar'e is only playing 30 minutes a night.

Problem is if D'Antoni doesn't play Randolph and Walker...

Well. Walker played nearly 20 minutes tonight.

iSaYughh said:

Well. Walker played nearly 20 minutes tonight.

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Yes, because of injuries ... and like almost every other time he was on the court in the past he played efficient and consistent basketball.

Thanks D'Antoni for showing your incompetence yet again.

SSj4Wingzero said:

Agreed on Walker.

Walker can make it so that Fields is only playing 30 minutes a night.

Williams can make it so that Gallo is only playing 30 minutes a night.

Randolph can make it so that Amar'e is only playing 30 minutes a night.

Problem is if D'Antoni doesn't play Randolph and Walker...

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step away from the nba 2k11

you dont just asjust minutes like that, it has to be in the flow of the game.

Of course, but the point was if we used a longer rotation we wouldn't have to run guys like Amar'e and Felton out there for 39 minutes in an uptempo system like ours.

I don't think anybody can deny that Felton and Amar'e need to play fewer minutes at this point in time

I don't see what that has to do with 2K11...most coaches use a lengthier rotation in the regular season and shorten it a bit in the post season. MDA shortens it in the regular season and doesn't last in the post season.

Flow of the game? What does that mean? That's one of those empty statements thrown out there that people eat up and regurgitate without really making a point.

Lengthen your rotation, coach up your younger players, give your vital players some built in rest during the season, win games, shorten the rotation to players you "trust" in the post season and go.

It makes no sense that when the team is at full health, it's either Mosgov or Walker. Why not chop a few mins from the overworked players and give it to Walker while also letting Mosgov play? Don't tell me about the flow of a team that's 27-26, I'm not buying it.

My point exactly.

Amar'e is really doing OK, it's mostly Raymond Felton who needs a rest badly.

The fact of the matter is, Raymond Felton is not a great shooter, nor is he a great scorer.

He's great at getting to the basket using his speed, but he's also taken far too many bad jumpers this season for my taste.

He needs to limit himself to maybe 12 shots per game and let 3-4 more go to Gallo and Walker who are much better at hitting the outside shot. A guy who is career 32.8% from behind the arc should not be taking 5 3's a game. If you're taking 5 3's a game you better have Ray Allen-type outside shooting skills and Felton certainly does not.

SSj4Wingzero said:

Agreed on Walker.

Walker can make it so that Fields is only playing 30 minutes a night.

Williams can make it so that Gallo is only playing 30 minutes a night.

Randolph can make it so that Amar'e is only playing 30 minutes a night.

Problem is if D'Antoni doesn't play Randolph and Walker...

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Amare giving up 10 mins a game for AR and were sunk. Fields plays about 30 mins as it is. I'm still not convinced on Williams, and Gallo seem to be consistantly getting better despite a few depressing games.

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Obviously that's not every game...but having to play Amar'e for 40 minutes against a team like the Nets is pretty pathetic.

If you watch the Lakers Phil Jackson usually sits Kobe for the last 4 minutes of the first quarter until almost the half-way point of the second quarter so that he doesn't rack up too many minutes.

We need to do stuff like this so our team isn't burnt out come the playoffs. Amar'e isn't really the problem here (though he COULD play fewer minutes, he doesn't HAVE to), the problem is more Raymond Felton who's really showing his wear and tear as a result of his increased minutes as well as going from a stifling Larry Brown system to a fast-paced one

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Obviously that's not every game...but having to play Amar'e for 40 minutes against a team like the Nets is pretty pathetic.

If you watch the Lakers Phil Jackson usually sits Kobe for the last 4 minutes of the first quarter until almost the half-way point of the second quarter so that he doesn't rack up too many minutes.

We need to do stuff like this so our team isn't burnt out come the playoffs. Amar'e isn't really the problem here (though he COULD play fewer minutes, he doesn't HAVE to), the problem is more Raymond Felton who's really showing his wear and tear as a result of his increased minutes as well as going from a stifling Larry Brown system to a fast-paced one

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SSJ, I don't understand. In other threads you seem to support SSOL, but here you don't. I'm confused? SSOL = a short rotation and fast play.

Jackson can do that bc his margin for victory is so high in given games, due to the totality of the team's players,

He has good depth/lots of quality, that support the above,

And Kobe is also up in mileage, and with this, knowing they are a playoff lock, and have eyes on going thru an entire post season to a chip, there's a very logical premium on preserving Kobe (and others') gas tank, and priming them for the playoffs.

Not unlike BOS last year, sorta.

Amare, Moz, Turiaf.

We essentially have 3 bigs in possible rotation (let's assume AR is traded soon for a 1st/Melo).

That's a rookie, a career backup, and a pf/c.

To essentially fulfill both Power Forward and Center position.

Amare is also our lone star and life force.

I guarantee if we has (or sign) Glen Davis in the off season...Amare gets more rest. And if we get Melo, too, he'll get even more. And play more 4, especially if Moz doesn't regress.

Felton, as our 2nd "star" below Amare, or at least most important player...Is in a similar boat to STAT.

And we may have even less depth there. A young Douglas, who has never been but a combo guard, and is truly more 2 than 1.

Our guard prob w Felton gets worse when we don't even have a passing minded/true 2 (Fields), to make up for Douglas' inadequacies where he to play more point for us, and give Felton more rest.

MusketeerX said:

SSJ, I don't understand. In other threads you seem to support SSOL, but here you don't. I'm confused? SSOL = a short rotation and fast play.

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I should probably clarify myself a bit, yes.

I believe that Mike D'Antoni's system is the right fit for the roster that we currently have. I think that the players we have would be terrible at running a half-court system or a low-shot volume system, and thus I support it to an extent.

However, I'm not nearly as fond of D'Antoni's short rotation whilst using SSOL. Alvin Gentry used the uptempo system to great effect last season all the while using a 10 man rotation. Why can't D'Antoni do that? Gentry finally beat the Spurs, something D'Antoni could never do, and even in Phoenix D'Antoni never made good use of his bench.

The uptempo system suits us well but the 8 man rotation does not, especially since some of our guys (ie Felton) are not used to playing this many minutes at such a high pace.

I think we'd be perfect if D'Antoni could find a way to use all of the following players:

Raymond Felton
Landry Fields
Danilo Gallinari
Wilson Chandler
Timofey Mozgov
Amar'e Stoudemire
Bill Walker
Toney Douglas
Ronny Turiaf
Anthony Randolph
Shawne Williams as our 3-point specialist

D'Antoni uses 9 of those guys on a regular basis...the "offensive genius" that he is he should be able to find a way to integrate AR's length and athleticism and Bill Walker's excellent outside shooting and hops into this team. Especially since we need rebounding (which AR can do) and could always use more outside shooting (which Walker can do).