So Tony Allen, James Posey, and Kendrick Perkins are bad defenders right? Paul Pierce and Ray Allen are not bad defenders at all, the Celtics had a 24-58 record the season before Garnett and Allen came and Celtic fans wanted Doc's head off. And Rondo was a good defender since college actually.
Try again, you fail.
So it was Allan, Posey, and Perkins that made up their great defense?
Ok, using that assertion, we can assume the coach had a say in their acquisition, playing time, and usage, correct? And it was the coach who hires his assistants right? Let's chalk that one up to Doc over D'Antoni- I guess his approach is just better. He seems to know what he's doing. He got these "great" defenders, and won a championship with his "great" assistants implementing both his offensive ideas combined with his assistants input. Wish we could say the same about D'Antoni, but we can't.
Guess we'll come up with illogical reasons why he failed to do the same like forgetting he had just as mush chance and players to do so but didn't.
Regardless of what the Boston Fans wanted, Doc was a former coach of the year who I'd bet not one fan of Boston wants gone. Sh*t, I'd bet every other team DOES want him gone so he could be theirs- ya think they see D'Antoni the same? Don't kid yourself.
In your statement you said
My point is that Scott Brooks, Doc Rivers, etc are offensive coaches just with great defensive players
and I'm saying no one besides Garnot was "great" until they were influenced by a "great" coach and a proven system. That goes for Pierce, Alan, etc...
it's an exaggeration on your part.
Then this...
They also have had excellent defensive assistant coaches (Tom Thibbs, Ron Adams)
makes no sense as I'm sure as a D'Antoni supporter you are well aware that he chose his brother as a defensive assistant and denied other more proven coaching help. Which by the way IF he were good at that (defense), it wouldn't have been an issue, now would it?
then...
and people expect us to be a top 10 defensive team with our current roster and Herb Williams as our "Defensive" assistant coach?
Who? Who said they expect us to be a top 10 defensive team with our current roster?
and who decides to keep Herb Williams as an assistant?
OKC, Dallas, and Boston weren't a great defensive team before Chandler, KG, Tom Thibbs, Ron Adams came.
There you go exaggerating again with that word "great". But now let's take a look at this assertion... keep in mind I CAN MAKE A DISTINCTION AS TO WHO'S TO BLAME -vs- why its best to move on
As you say "before Chandler, KG, etc..."
Well Chandler and KG are bigs right? And who exactly has been known recently and historically for not playing bigs (DNP's), not valuing bigs (Skipped on them in drafts and refused to sign them above shooters), playing smaller players out of position (Jared Jaffries, STAT, Chandler, on and on...)?
Yep, you get a two for one for this one! Because it's the same guy that rather bounce on his 60 win team instead of acquiescing and bringing in an assistant. The same one who when asked what he felt about adding an assistant said "... of course that implies we don't know what the hell we are doing".
and finally...
Its unfair to judge MDA when we had an incomplete roster and our best defender (Azubuike) didn't recover like he was supposed to.
If by judge you mean, realize he can't get it done defensively... then when considering he has never been above middle of the pack ANYTIME in his career, and runs a style not conducive to defensive success as we've witnessed
then yeah, what's the issue?
Should we not realize the truth? Or should we realize the truth, but then deceive ourselves by coming up with excuses?
You say MDA never had a top 10 defensive team but Doc Rivers never had one either before Garnett and Allen came.
Yet coach Rivers has already won a championship and been to two. This after leading the league in winning percentage, and later this year fully exposing D'Antoni and summarily out-coaching him. And to be fair, you MUST also compare D'Antoni's OTHER teams which included Shawn Marion, STAT, Shaq and more-
More than capable defenders, and still was presented with an ultimatum.
Again, that assertion about "the fans wanted him gone" too is an exaggeration. It was the media and one person in particular who disagreed with his style.
After spending a year working as a commentator for the NBA on ABC (calling the 2004 Finals with Al Michaels), he took over the Boston Celtics coaching position in 2004. During his first years with the Celtics, he was criticized by many in the media for his coaching style, most vociferously by ESPN's Bill Simmons, who in 2006 publicly called for Rivers to be fired in his columns.
As a result of the Celtics' 109?93 victory over the New York Knicks on January 21, 2008, Rivers, as the coach of the team with the best winning percentage in the Eastern Conference, earned the honor to coach the East for the 2008 NBA All-Star Game in New Orleans.[2] On June 17, 2008, Rivers won his first NBA Championship as a head coach
So in contrast to D'Antoni, Doc has achieved more and demonstrated the ability to make the proper decisions to benefit the organization. He has missed the playoffs once in ORL before he got fired. Ya think they may regret that?
Rivers began his coaching career with the Orlando Magic in 1999, where he coached for more than four NBA seasons. Rivers won the Coach of the Year award in 2000 after his first year with the Magic. That season, he led the team that was picked to finish last in the league to a near playoff berth. He made the post-season in his next three years as coach, but was fired in 2003 after a disastrous start to the season.
I don't hear or see you calling Doc a genius. All I see is your poor attempts to vilify D'Antoni with an irrational comparison to someone who proves the opposite point. Doc is better than D'Antoni.
Fail. :whack: