2021 Free Agent Stuff

Let me be clear... Sound familiar !! Randle deserve a raise but just not now.

First of all Randle isn't Karl Malone is no shape, form or fashion. Matter a damn what the contract looks like in regards to other player. We shouldn't have paid him that much money. This could have waited until the end of the year after he had the same year as this past one(wish I doubt).

Randle doesn't deserve #1 option money so we are all in agreement on that.

As for Dotson he was our best all-around player. Who last year or this coming year will be close to being that player? Problem is you didn't play him enough because he would have shown the problem you have at SG.

Let hope that Walker and Fournier have good years because that would be good for the team. Where are there shoots coming from since both were high option on there last teams? Remember the Knicks already have Randle & RJ as option #1 & #2. Who's going to take a back seat in a offense that is dysfunctional? BIGGEST QUESTION OF ALL-- Can Randle have the same year or better than last year? You had to build an offense around him and play him 40 minutes a game to get his numbers. If you built any offense around a player his numbers should improve and maybe become the most improve player in the league. This is the problem facing the Knicks this coming year.

If we waited til end of year, and Randle repeated MVP caliber production? the extension is worth 200 mil (not 115). NYK save 85 mil by acting now, and the future payroll cap will appreciate that we got him at a 40% discount.

Basically, to put in perspective,Randle got less than what John the Baptist Collins just got.

mafra said:

If we waited til end of year, and Randle repeated MVP caliber production… the extension is worth 200 mil (not 115). NYK save 85 mil by acting now, and the future payroll cap will appreciate that we got him at a 40% discount.

Basically, to put in perspective,Randle got less than what John the Baptist Collins just got.

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Ha ha ha ....
Our Cinderella-Randle finally has his best season in the NBA, during Covid-19 empty seated stadiums where no fans were in the seats of each regular season game.
Randle became a Fan-favorite when fans were not allowed in the stadium LMAO!
What will happen when the fans are allowed back in the stadium, will the fans loud screaming, yelling, and insults, especially in the 4th quarter of the game, make our Cinderella Randle loose a slipper and return to his turnover after turnover performance? I say yes!

In the NBA 2021 postseason games players Randle, Barrett, Walker, Fournier all performed like BUMS in each of their playoff games.
And coach Thibs poor postseason coaching (40-64) still has not improve.

Lauri Markkanen, Kelly Oubre, and Dennis Schroeder seem to top the list of players who overestimated their value in free agency.

Markkanen now reportedly requesting trade out of Chicago.

mafra said:

Randle received about what am aged CP3 got, an ancient DeRozan and an unproven Norman Powell.

With Kemba and Evan, Randle is now a second option and won’t have to be dominant ball handling point forward.

Didn’t Karl Malone have Stockton?

Kemba and Evan are gonna make people eat some words. Huge upgrades over Payton and Dotson. Like going from a scurrilous scarred seahag to a supermodel.

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Kemba and Fournier are not a up-grade over Payton & Bullock, especially on the defensive end of the court. The No-center Nets practically Blowed-Out the Celtics in every game in their 1-4 series in the first round. Fournier & Kemba weak postseason performance are why they are not Celtics next season.

After Randle's playoff appearance .. Randle becoming an all-star next season again are 30% maybe, and 70% what happen ???

I would've been happy Knicks camper on July 6th, If we would've signed FA Dinwiddle, FA Obre, and resigning D.Rose, Bullock, and Taj, plus keeping the 19th pick too.

There were several iterations of moves they could?ve made, a few different PG/SG-SF combos? this front office went in this direction?. We shall see.


But they brought in 2 players that won?t disrupt the chemistry of the locker room nor derail what Thibbs is trying to build.

Kemba/Rose/Vildova/McBride
Forny/IQ/Grimes
RJ/AB
Randle/Obi/Knox
Robinson/Noel/Gibson

Run it back, on a 2 year window. Continuity is key here. Time for Randle and RJ to show if they can elevate their games offensively, now that they?ll have some help.

EP-RB better defensively, but what KW-EF bring to the team offensively is FAR more valuable than what those 2 brought.

Now, RB on a 3/30, and save 40 mil? maybe absorb a contract for picks? was that smarter?

Seems we made lemons with lemonade. Kawhi out next season and off table. CP went to Finals and PHO had to pay up. Lowry chose MIA. POR and CLE and SAC and OKG not trading Dame, Sexton, Fox or SGA right now. Ball?

Knicks can field a competitive roster? it?s up to them to prove the sum of the parts is worth the investment. If McBride can be a defensive stopper, then he should swallow valuable minutes to help KW and DR stay available.

Randle and RJ now play off the ball, and have better spacing. This should allow them to excel at what they do best?

If it doesn?t work? all these contracts are expiring deals going into next season, so they are movable.

We didn?t sign Schroeder for 100 mil and 6 years, so we didn?t lock into something we?ll forget.

As others have said, the salary cap is all about whether or not you have unmovable deals. Otherwise, having signed guys filling your cap space is no different than having 50+ million in cap space.

You can always get unlucky with injury, but we have ZERO guys on the roster making more than 20 million in the 2021-22 (Randle makes high 19s in 2021-22).

I liked Bullock, but I also think his defense is good not great. It?s not like we were able to use him to neutralize Trae Young or other star PGs, without double teaming.

My gut feeling is that this will be like 2010-11. We will come out as a solid playoff team. We?re not going to be championship contenders. Then, halfway through the season, all hell will break loose and we?ll trade for a star. Man, I hope it turns out better this time.

Kiyaman said:

Kemba and Fournier are not a up-grade over Payton & Bullock, especially on the defensive end of the court. The No-center Nets practically Blowed-Out the Celtics in every game in their 1-4 series in the first round. Fournier & Kemba weak postseason performance are why they are not Celtics next season.

After Randle's playoff appearance .. Randle becoming an all-star next season again are 30% maybe, and 70% what happen ???

I would've been happy Knicks camper on July 6th, If we would've signed FA Dinwiddle, FA Obre, and resigning D.Rose, Bullock, and Taj, plus keeping the 19th pick too.

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Would rather have kept both Burks and Bull along with signing Dinwiddie than signing Fournier. If Kemba can return to AS form even if they restrict him to limited minutes, this will be a good team but that’s a big if after reading the medical opinion about his knees. Hope DRose also has an injury free season.

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Would rather have kept both Burks and Bull along with signing Dinwiddie than signing Fournier. If Kemba can return to AS form even if they restrict him to limited minutes, this will be a good team but that’s a big if after reading the medical opinion about his knees. Hope DRose also has an injury free season.

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Dinwiddie is a high risk signing in my mind at 3 years 60 million. 28-years-old and coming off an ACL tear. Fournier is a better fit if we were planning on adding Kemba. Imagine if we also signed Dinwiddie and had 3 PGs with bad knees?

Walker or Dimmy both similar players w/ similar risks. Maybe we?ll hear about the decision -making process and what went into it?.

The issue with Bullock was that it hindered the Randle-RJ development. He hasn?t brought anything offensively other than the occasional spot-up 3 and the go-get-ball from Randle when he?s trapped.

With EF, it allows Randle and RJ to blossom more offensively, because of the spacing and less pressure. Toss in Kemba over EP?.

The wisest path right now is to continue to invest in the development of Mr. Julius Randle, and the same with RJ. At the very least, to pump up trade value.

Kemba and EF is about investing in Randle and RJ, and this is the only course of action to pursue right now, to remain relevant and tread water until the take they next step or a trade opens up.

The biggest surprise for New York was the play of rookie Jericho Sims. The No. 58 pick in last month?s draft looked like a damn steal on Sunday, with 12 points on 6-6 shooting and 8 rebounds.

RJ shot 40% from downtown in his second season. Up from 32% as a rookie. He shot 75% from FT line, up from 61% his rookie season.

RJ did this without a starting caliber PG or much help in offense other than Randle (PF).

With another year under his belt and better spacing, and based on current trajectory, I am intrigued to see if RJ can elevate game another level.

Is shooting 40% from downtown bad? Average? Good?

tiger0330 said:

Would rather have kept both Burks and Bull along with signing Dinwiddie than signing Fournier. If Kemba can return to AS form even if they restrict him to limited minutes, this will be a good team but that’s a big if after reading the medical opinion about his knees. Hope DRose also has an injury free season.

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I was wondering if someone was going to say something about Walker injury report. That was not a glowing report for a player just sign. It shows why all of the other teams in the league pass on him when he hit the waiver wire. So this wasn't a blessing from heaven or that we got lucky that this player just fell into our lap? Nobody else wanted to take a gamble on him but the Knicks. Very Smart!! Why not give this starting minutes to Frank and let him run the offense for a year. We played, sign and trade for very Tom, Dick and Harry to play PG but wouldn't give the starting position to Frank. Now this!!

Why is it always someone helping RJ in his game? He is a SG(supposedly). SG normally are creator of their own shot. They are also normally create their own spacing with their quickest and athletics ability. See those are things that RJ doesn't process. There is no explosives' moves to basket or Thunderness slam dumps.
So if he improved his stat's then why is Fournier and Walker important to his improvement. Was he draft base on someone coming to help him. That is all I ever heard that someone fail at there position so it effected RJ. BS!!
If you play at a position for nearly 40 minutes a game for better or worse. In most case you will improve because of doing the same thing over and over. RJ is no exception.
Just wish F.O. would have given Frank the PG and played him 40 minutes a game. His numbers would go up too!!

Kemba/Rose/Vildova/McBride = C- minus
Forny/IQ/Grimes = C+ plus
RJ/AB = C- minus
Randle/Obi/Knox = B- minus
Robinson/Noel/Gibson = B+ plus

The Knicks roster equal a C+ performance team .. And thats being very optimistic !!!

That?s fair, and Thibbs will get them to overachieve and perform like a B roster for the regular season?. Then get roasted again with Round 1

Kiyaman said:

Kemba/Rose/Vildova/McBride = C- minus
Forny/IQ/Grimes = C+ plus
RJ/AB = C- minus
Randle/Obi/Knox = B- minus
Robinson/Noel/Gibson = B+ plus

The Knicks roster equal a C+ performance team .. And thats being very optimistic !!!

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So True!!!
You were very generous with the PG and the Center position. No scoring from the center position and PG with a starter who has very serious knee problem and D. Rose not able to man that position on a full time bases.
We will see!!

mafra said:

That’s fair, and Thibbs will get them to overachieve and perform like a B roster for the regular season…. Then get roasted again with Round 1

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LMAO .... ha ha ha ha !!!