David Lee, Meet Michael Cage

Is David Lee overrated?

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JayJ44

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http://www.nba.com/playerfile/michael_cage/index.html
Michael Cage was a rebounding specialist who played for 15 years in the NBA. During his third season with the LA Clippers, he got the opportunity to start and made the most of it, averaging 15.7 points and an eye-popping 11.5 rebounds per game. His fourth season was also impressive as he put up 14.5/13. The Clippers combined record for those two seasons was 29-135. Yes, you're reading that correctly. 29-135.

The Seattle Sonics (remember them?) were impressed enough by his rebounding prowess to trade for Cage, thinking that the losses had absolutely nothing to do with him. Cage played six progressively less productive seasons with Seattle before bouncing around with Cleveland, Philly and Jersey. He never came close to matching his numbers with that dreadful Clipper shipwreck.

David Lee just finished his fourth season with the hapless New York Knicks, who were so desperate for rebounding that they were starting the 6'9 PF at center. In his first three seasons combined, Lee started 55 games. This past year, he started 74. His numbers? 16 and 11.7. On a team that won 32 games and finished in last place.

Lee's agent is trying to get him 12 mil a year. But these ain't Isiah's Knicks anymore. Walsh knows better. The team's offering a one-year deal, which is the equivalent of saying, "Bail us out for another year until we can get somebody better."

Many Knick fans are rushing to Lee's defense, pointing out his impressive number of double-doubles last season, while ignoring the fact that he got absolutely torched on defense. These rabid fans even go so far as to suggest that he's an All-Star.

Lee's no All-Star. He's a role player- a rebounder- just like Dale Davis, Rick Mahorn, Tyrone Hill, PJ Brown and Michael Cage before him. Except without the defense. And in Cage's case, the awesome Jheri Curl.
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http://kneejerknba.blogspot.com/2009/08/david-lee-meet-michael-cage.html
 
W

WNY_Knickfan

Benchwarmer
Truth be told I thought Lee went from one of the most under-rated to one of the most over-rated in a years time. I like Lee alot and want him on the team, but I wouldn't call him an all-star. He is what he is, an active body that has a knack for rebounding and getting himself into position for nice easy shots. Hopefully he keeps improving but we know his defense isn't up to par to put it nicely, and his range is a bit limited. He's good no doubt about it, but I don't think he's worth 12 mil per. Can't blame a guy for trying to cash in though
 
Crazy⑧s

Crazy⑧s

Evacuee
I think the poll should have said:

"Is David Lee's opinion of his worth monetarily over-rated?"

We shouldn't forget that he's still a blue collar guy who never stops trying. And if All Star votes were awarded on the merits of effort, he'd be a perennial player at the ASG.

Does anyone remember the year btw, when it was between Oakley and Cage for the rebounding crown and came down to the last game where Cage needed 31 rebounds to clinch and he pulled down 32? That sucked

☆Here is one of league history's most highly payed players of all time, who also seems to attract losing records.

Scoring Big, Losing Bigger


<!-- begin table --> <table class="left" cellspacing="0"><caption>15,000 Points, Lowest Win Percentage</caption> <tbody><tr class="io-columnHeaders"> <td>Name</td> <td>Points</td> <td>Record</td> <td>Win %</td> </tr> <tr><td>1. Shareef Abdur-Rahim </td> <td> 15,028 </td> <td> (275-555) </td> <td> .331 </td> </tr> <tr class="io-evenRow"> <td>2. Reggie Theus </td> <td> 19,015 </td> <td> (407-619) </td> <td> .397 </td> </tr> <tr><td> 3. Randy Smith </td> <td> 16,262 </td> <td> (406-570) </td> <td> .416 </td> </tr> <tr class="io-evenRow"> <td> 4. Walt Bellamy </td> <td>20,941 </td> <td> (440-603) </td> <td> .422 </td> </tr> <tr><td> 5. Stephon Marbury </td> <td> 16,209 </td> <td> (360-463) </td> <td> .437</td></tr></tbody></table>
With his best numbers in New Jersey as the leader of a very sad team.
 
K

Kiyaman

Legend
This Thread & Poll has nothing to do with David Lee!

David Lee number #1 attribute as a NBA player is his "complimentary-performance" as a "Team-Player".

Lee was not drafted in the first-round for his rebounding or scoring, he was drafted b/c he is a complimentary-player that lifts his teammates talents of performance.
Channing Frye was drafted for his scoring & rebounding.

Lottery Pick C/F-Michael Cage was a "mock-draft" selection inwhich the new Franchise L.A. Clippers let the NBA mock-draft select their lottery player, which they been doing for decades.

David Lee asking for $10M or $12M is "PERSONAL" between just Walsh vs Lee (Battle).
For any Knick-Fan that been watching the Knicks for the last two seasons, and act as if Lee's asking price is not a "personal" fued directed between just Lee & Walsh.....has not been watching Knick-Ball.
Anyway u put it....Lee intentions is to mess-up the 2010 Plan.

Last offseason David Lee was the top Knick Player asked for in a trade, and Donnie Walsh asked for the 2008 4th pick of the draft for David Lee (Slap in the Face) lowering his NBA worth.
Camby being traded for a 2nd round pick (Slap in the face) lowering his NBA worth.
Tyson Chandler being traded for Wilcox (Slap in the Face) lowering his NBA worth.
Any decent NBA player being traded to a 5 to 10 year consecutive losing team, and in return for a player that is not worthy to tie his Sneakers is a "Slap in the Face".

Knick-Fans that are new to this....the Okafor & Chandler trade is equal right? even both the team situations are equal. So both players and their agents are happy.
Tyson Chandler did not want to leave the Hornets, but after that "Slap in the Face" trade for Wilcox, that did not go down....the Hornets organization knew they had a 7.0 foot unhappy camper in Tyson Chandler and his agent.
 
Crazy⑧s

Crazy⑧s

Evacuee
^

Another assumption based rant.

Personal battles are probably a factor, but to tell everybody:

For any Knick-Fan that been watching the Knicks for the last two seasons, and act as if Lee's asking price is not a "personal" fued directed between just Lee & Walsh.....has not been watching Knick-Ball.
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Is retarded.
 
DontForgetDerekHarper

DontForgetDerekHarper

Starter
this has to do with one thing and one thing only

2010.

there are no personal reasons, no over rated under rated

its 2010

this is not about agents, or who does what better for what team

its 2010

Lee does not factor into 2010

because he does not fit into Mike D's system

he flourished statistically, but we lost games in the process.

2010

we want

gallo
chandler
sessions
STAR ?
STAR ?

hill
douglas
?
?
?



get it.

This is Mike D's and Walshes team

If you were part of the Zeke regime and your name isnt Chandler

your gone.
 
K

Kiyaman

Legend
Crazy8s said:
^

Another assumption based rant.

Personal battles are probably a factor, but to tell everybody:



Is retarded.
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I got one....my post is aimed indirectly at Knick-Fans that think (or have assumptions) David Lee would'nt have been signed already as an unrestricted FA.
I went through this last year on the Bulls Board about Ben Gordon, whom Paxon refuse to add in the Ben Wallace & Wally trade for Hughes & Gooden.

Best Poll for David Lee comparison in salary range is:

30th pick Lee vs 17th pick Granger

David Lee career 56% FG, 11 pts, 9 rbds, 1 turnover in 28 mpg.
Danny Granger career 45% FG, 16 pts, 5rbds, 1 blk, 1 turnover in 32 mpg.

6.9 Granger received $12M per for the next 5 years as a SF (can not bang bodies in the paint).
So far Wilson Chandler topped Granger 2nd season performance in the league....and Walsh tried his best to trade Chandler to the Wizards for their 5th pick, which the Wizards was ready to do untill Wilson Chandler accepted to have surgery on a problem that been bothering him for the past 3 years.

Was the Chandler trade rumor and surgery an assumption too?
There is no 2010 plan....the only plan is to get rid of all of Isiah Thomas players in a 2 year span...

The replacements are looking more and more like a 15 win season team
 
Red

Red

TYPE-A
F*ck David Lee!

David Lee is a F*cking over-rated scrub. White men can't jump (or apparently play defense in his case). What's funny is this:Lee could of been gone but said he refused to play for Memphis last year as if he was that nice! Then he attempts to hold us hostage and rape our cap and plans to become a contender. Why because he was GASSED! He thought if he put up good numbers and stuck around thru this b.s. he would be rewarded (another poor assumption). And finally the kicker... I've read fans excusing his poor defensive perfomance to "D'antoni telling him not to play D so he won't foul out"...smh! On another note Kiya: you remind me of my rambling cousin, always ranting never making a point. I suggest you START OFF WITH YOUR POINT and go from there so others may understand where u are coming from- no homo. Anyway like I said F*ck Lee, I'm ready to move on without this over-rated premadonna and hope we can end this b.s with him soon. A one yr deal is just delaying the inevitible....
 
Crazy⑧s

Crazy⑧s

Evacuee
Kiyaman said:
I got one....my post is aimed indirectly at Knick-Fans that think (or have assumptions) David Lee would'nt have been signed already as an unrestricted (?)FA.
I went through this last year on the Bulls Board about Ben Gordon, whom Paxon refuse to add in the Ben Wallace & Wally trade for Hughes & Gooden.

Best Poll for David Lee comparison in salary range is:

30th pick Lee vs 17th pick Granger

David Lee career 56% FG, 11 pts, 9 rbds, 1 turnover in 28 mpg.
Danny Granger career 45% FG, 16 pts, 5rbds, 1 blk, 1 turnover in 32 mpg.

6.9 Granger received $12M per for the next 5 years as a SF (can not bang bodies in the paint).
So far Wilson Chandler topped Granger 2nd season performance in the league....and Walsh tried his best to trade Chandler to the Wizards for their 5th pick, which the Wizards was ready to do untill Wilson Chandler accepted to have surgery on a problem that been bothering him for the past 3 years.

Was the Chandler trade rumor and surgery an assumption too?
There is no 2010 plan....the only plan is to get rid of all of Isiah Thomas players in a 2 year span...

The replacements are looking more and more like a 15 win season team
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No you're right. Three is no 2010 plan. Donnie Walsh is really David Copperfield and Mike D is Houdini's grand son. It's all a shroud of enchantment. Blessed are the non-deceived.

WTF are you ranting about now?

Granger and Lee? Granger's a SF that plays perimeter offense and has range. He's an All Star and a top scorer in the league. Both just had career seasons, who would you prefer on our roster now?
A pointless comparison.

1996 NBA Draft.
No.17 Jermaine O'Neal.
No.29 (29 NBA teams b.i.t.d) Travis Knight.

This is as relevant as Lee & Granger's comparison by yourself.

Lee and Cage made their crusts off rebounds. That is the COMPARATIVE. Rebounding bigs who don't help teams win regardless of their output as pivotal starters.

Lee's no All-Star. He's a role player- a rebounder- just like Dale Davis, Rick Mahorn, Tyrone Hill, PJ Brown and Michael Cage before him. Except without the defense. And in Cage's case, the awesome Jheri Curl.
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This is what this thread is about. Don't get lost in your ranting.

And no. Chandler's potential trade is/was not an assumption. It was a fact.

Again, what are you ranting about.? What's your point? I know that's not an assumption. So Chandler is averaging more than Granger was at the same point of their careers. Are you assuming that automatically results in Chandler being a higher output player in the same time frame when it comes around?

If I take a random fact and a random assumption and compare them it's no different to what you're saying.

Random fact: Odontophobia is the fear of teeth.

Random assumption: Eddy Curry lactates daily at 6:00pm
 
LJ4ptplay

LJ4ptplay

Starter
Kiya, are you drunk again? Honestly dude. Where do you come up with all this conspiracy crap?

You say that you understand what's going on better than anyone because you watch the games. And then come up with this conspiracy crap that Lee is just out to ruin the 2010 plan. And Donnie doesn't have a 2010 plan, he's just out to get rid of all Isiah players. WTF??
 
nyk_nyk

nyk_nyk

All Star
I respect Lee's game but the fact of the matter is that he's no 1 2 or 3 option on a good team. He's a very good hustle player and smart in terms of positioning himself for rebounds. I do believe he is a guy that a championship team should have, but not for 10-12mil per yr.

Artest and Odom couldn't even get that much... WTF does his agent think this is?

I guess all those years of IT throwing money around gave people the perception that the Knicks will overpay.
 
K

Kiyaman

Legend
LJ4ptplay said:
Kiya, are you drunk again? Honestly dude. Where do you come up with all this conspiracy crap?

You say that you understand what's going on better than anyone because you watch the games. And then come up with this conspiracy crap that Lee is just out to ruin the 2010 plan. And Donnie doesn't have a 2010 plan, he's just out to get rid of all Isiah players. WTF??
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WTF....what am I ranting about! this stupid-a... Poll-Thread "Cage vs Lee", and all the silly responses feeding into it (bored b/c the Knicks did not make any upgrades this offseason).

All throughout the regular season we must have had about 50 "Threads" on Lee demanding $10M per salary.
The majority of us knew there was only a couple of teams that could kick out cash like that with the salary-cap being lowered. Plus 90% of the members in this forum confirmed Lee did nothing this season phenomenal to get that kind of salary.

What pissses me off....is everybody forgot the date when David Lee first opened his mouth to the press to say he was going to test the FA market. And we seem to forget the reason why Lee made that statement to the press, then at the same time he came up with figures like $10M per? from then to now (a year later) Lee has not reframe from his statement.
And we have members like Red....saying,"Lee is holding us hostage".

What's funny is this:Lee could of been gone but said he refused to play for Memphis last year as if he was that nice! Then he attempts to hold us hostage and rape our cap and plans to become a contender. Why because he was GASSED! He thought if he put up good numbers and stuck around thru this b.s. he would be rewarded (another poor assumption).
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Red....whats funny is Walsh could have traded Lee throughout the entire regular season.
 
Red

Red

TYPE-A
Kiya: What I meant by "holding us hostage" wasn't like what Stephon did (but similar) it is/was {READ SLOWLY TO HELP COMPREHEND} NOT ACCEPTING A FAIR MARKET VALUE DEAL EARLY OR FACILITATE A TRADE LAST YEAR (EARLY) THAT WOULD OF ALLOWED US TO MAKE MOVES!!!!!!!! Yes we knew he wanted the big bucks, it didn't take a genius to figure that. But in hopes to LINE HIS POCKETS he threw all that "TEAM PLAYER" sh*t out the window and didn't accept less than what was expected to facilitate HIS team becoming better!!!!!!!! I can't blame Walsh for wanting to get as much value for him as possible (by not engaging in a trade that had no advantages to us or were satisfactory) but when Walsh offered him oportunities to leave (& get his BIG payday) Lee refused!!!!! Now Walsh has no choice but to hold out for as little as possible! F*ck what Lee's intentions were, He & U & I Knew Walsh's and the NYK's Plan going forward and instead of falling in line like a real "TEAM PLAYER" Early... he waited ( HOLDING OUR PLANS UP) b/c he thinks he is worth more than he is. The league has spoken!!!!!!! Will David Lee get more than Artest or Odom???? Yeah when Kiya starts making sense....lol smh!!!!!!!
 
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