, but there are some stupid GM's.
ahh yes... but are they stupider (??), then our stupid gm???
, but there are some stupid GM's.
ahh yes... but are they stupider (??), then our stupid gm???
lol I don't think there's a GM in sports history as dumb as Isiah. Some GM's come close, but none are at his level. He takes stupidity to a new dimension.ahh yes... but are they stupider (??), then our stupid gm???
Arroyo would be a nice fit as an insurance policy for Nate and Mardy Collins, who I would like to see given a chance to play point. One thing about Arroyo is that he's awful defensively but then again he can not be any worse then Crawford.
Arroyo > Robinson/Collins. Arroyo is an average defender, Nate went 2-8 against Los.
Nate right now, is better then Arroyo in my opinion and has a much bigger upside, given his age, athletic ability and skillset. Arroyo's probably better then Mardy Collins but I'd rather find out about Collins and give him an opportunity. Arroyo is weak defensively which is why he has had trouble getting consistent minutes from Van Gundy, Brown and Sloan. I know he's one of your favorite players but you have to be fair.
One thing I'll say for certain is that considering Isiah isn't giving Nate or Mardy minutes I'd much rather have Arroyo running the point then Crawford or Fred Jones.
You're wrong once again.
Arroyo is a superior player to Robinson. Most Orlando fans will tell you Arroyo has been the best PG in Orlando. Arroyo has the best CHEMISTRY with the starters and the team plays best when Arroyo and Hedo are running the show.
Arroyo can play PG affectively with his court vision and passing skills, Robinson and Collins cannot play the PG and are really OFF GUARDS, you can't really on those guys to run an offense affectively like Arroyo can.
My bad I didn't realize you were right on the pulse of Orlando Fans :lol:
If Arroyo is so good for the Magic why did Van Gundy have him out of the rotation? He only got minutes again after recent injuries to Nelson and Dooling.
The only thing Arroyo does better then Nate is pass and hopefully with time Nate will continue to improve that part of his game. I guarantee you there is not one team in the NBA that would rather have a 28/29 Arroyo then a 23/24Nate. For once in your life be objective and dont let your opinions be clouded by the stench of your favorite players ass crack.
I follow teams like Orlando, New Orleans, Atlanta and Sacramento because those teams have some of my fav players in the league. I read over the fan forums of each team, and its a fact Orlando fans feel Arroyo is a better PG than Nelson. Arroyo > Nelson > Robinson > Collins. I honestly would take Robinson over Nelson. Nelson would give New York a headache.
Arroyo, Nelson and Dooling all got inconsistent minutes from Stan Van Gundy, it has nothing to do with their ability. Arroyo had 5 straight good games as a starter and hit the bench mysteriously, theres no explanation; Magic fans believe its Otis Smith playing favorites since Jameer got that extension. Similar to how Balkman doesn't play much for the Knicks. How can you ask such a stupid question when you don't follow the team? I can't believe you get more stupid with each post.
Arroyo is starting material, Nate isn't.
Arroyo is better at a lot of things, and you would agree too and have no argument against it.
Experience
maturity
Ball handling skills
assist to turnover ratio
assist machine
good size for a PG
court vision
can lead an offense
pick and roll skills forwards
solid starter
crossover and dribble skills
mid range shooting.
I like Nate, so I'll list things he is better at over Arroyo; since you're way too fucking stupid to add any detail to your post...you're like a PBS special, just mad fucking boring, not even weed could get anyone interest in what you say.
Vertical leap
Quickness/explosiveness
3pt shooting
Penetration
Youth
Good bench player, poor starter.
Isiah actually thinks Arroyo is the most underrated player in the NBA...I'll pull out the article later, so you really need to take the dildo out of your ass and go to sleep, this chat is over. Arroyo > Robinson.
Isiah actually thinks Arroyo is the most underrated player in the NBA...I'll pull out the article later, so you really need to take the dildo out of your ass and go to sleep, this chat is over. Arroyo > Robinson.
First of all I am sick of arguing with you about what is obvious. MSG you need to stop sharing the same brain with Metrotard. It is hard to find you credible when there hasn't been one time where you disagree with him.
As far as Nate and Arroyo go they are very difficult to compare because they are totally different players. Again I don't mind Arroyo I just think Nate has a better upside. Lol @ you calling Arroyo a solid starter and Nate a poor starter when Arroyo has gotten benched by every coach he's ever started for and Nate has never really gotten a chance to start and play 35 minutes until recently. Again I think Nate has a greater upside provided he continues to mature and gets the right coaching.
I will agree to disagree with you on Arroyo vs Nate.
First of all I am sick of arguing with you about what is obvious. MSG you need to stop sharing the same brain with Metrotard. It is hard to find you credible when there hasn't been one time where you disagree with him.
As far as Nate and Arroyo go they are very difficult to compare because they are totally different players. Again I don't mind Arroyo I just think Nate has a better upside. Lol @ you calling Arroyo a solid starter and Nate a poor starter when Arroyo has gotten benched by every coach he's ever started for and Nate has never really gotten a chance to start and play 35 minutes until recently. Again I think Nate has a greater upside provided he continues to mature and gets the right coaching.
I will agree to disagree with you on Arroyo vs Nate.
Oh and since when did Isiah become a great gm whose opinion we should trust?
You crack me up Metro. You make fun of Isiah and rightfully so call him out on being an incompetent gm but then use him and what he says to make your case for Arroyo. You're such a hypocrite.
My ugly abandoned child, you're not qualified to "argue" with me, this is a lesson that you're learning. No one is going to agree with an unemployed 27 year college drop out. You haven't earned the right to agree with me, or the respect. Until you add some credible post with insight, detail and facts, you'll be the jackass of the forum. Its not just the fact that you're a boring poster with no facts, you're delusional and think we actually want you here...this forum has been garbage ever since you registered.
Having better upside doesn't mean the better player. You're the last person in the world to determine who has better upside since you lack a lot of common sense with NBA ball and have no knowledge about NBA products, NBA players progression, and even Nate Robinson's practice/work routine that will improve him. The only thing you have is Robinson's age. "Youthier" doesn't make you better, and this is why I penciled you as a complete fucking moron for believe that makes Nate better than Arroyo.
Arroyo is a C+ player, C+ players get bench and start games. Arroyo is still solid, and can contribute as a starter or bench player.
I smacked Isiah for his stupidity as GM, Coach, and President. I never questioned his ability to scout and understand talent in basketball. If Arroyo was on the Knicks, he's Isiah type of player; flashy player with a lot of talent but not too many dimensions; Arroyo would be getting 38 minutes a game, I'll atleast could enjoy the Knick loses better.
You're still clueless on how to stand correct. MSG and I stand tall like Gods, take notes.
Originally posted by Kramer(magic fan):
I have observed that Carlos Arroyo plays excellent defense. He is smart and does things correctly. He may not pressure the ball well but he can burst through screens and closes out on three point shooters rather well. Also isn't constantly helping like the rest of the team.
lol @ this chimp running from an old quote from Robinson's agent, he's too stupid to look up things for himself, stealing other people's material.
Carl Landry has a PER of 24 where as Artest has one of 18, 20 spots behind Landry, who would you prefer? That stat still doesn't contradict the points I made, you still lose...you never allowed in the room(forum), stay the fuck out.
Arroyo has better shooting percentages, assist rate and better assist to turnover ratio rate and I've already proven he's the superior player.
Damn dude, did Arroyo bust a nut in your mother's pussy or is it I really piss you off?