Clyde & The Pearl
Starter
Who wouldnt want this cat on their team? Him STAT and Melo would be INSANE...
CP3 Beasting BIGTIME!!!
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nuckles2k2
Superstar
I owe Ronorania an apology. I obviously knew CP3 was a beast, but I didn't know he was a BEAST.
Throw the bank at this guy, make it happen somehow.
Throw the bank at this guy, make it happen somehow.
AmareForPresident
Starter
Amare and Cp3 would be epic.
PaPZ187
Benchwarmer
Straight carried that team on his back and beat the defending champs in their own building with a hell of a performance.
Would love to have him running point with Melo and STAT for years to come, hopefully Donny and co can make it happen!
ronoranina
Fundamentally Sound
As I've said since I arrived to this wonderful forum, Chris Paul is the greatest point guard of this era. He is a true point and floor general in the purest sense.
In our point guard friendly/ reliant offense CP3 would own unbelievably. This is why it's more important to get CP3 than a big.
I've asked you guys to trust me on this, but many of you have refused. I won't name names but there are alot of you..
This performance and the ones to come, hopefully, will contribute to full comprehension re: this issue.
Simply put.. if you watched this game and come away thinking anything other than Paul is the next thing we need, I have to question your basketball acumen.
In our point guard friendly/ reliant offense CP3 would own unbelievably. This is why it's more important to get CP3 than a big.
I've asked you guys to trust me on this, but many of you have refused. I won't name names but there are alot of you..
This performance and the ones to come, hopefully, will contribute to full comprehension re: this issue.
Simply put.. if you watched this game and come away thinking anything other than Paul is the next thing we need, I have to question your basketball acumen.
ronoranina
Fundamentally Sound
I hear you.
Knicksfansince92
Starter
33 points
14 assists
7 rebounds
Crazy!!! Him plus Amare in the High Pick-N-Roll plus a wide open Melo on the wing OMG we would have at least 3 rings
14 assists
7 rebounds
Crazy!!! Him plus Amare in the High Pick-N-Roll plus a wide open Melo on the wing OMG we would have at least 3 rings
This game sure did prove to me that CP3 is worth more than any center we want to get period. DeAndre Jordan,Samuel Dalembert,Marc Gasol,Nene. You name it. None of those centers can improve us more than CP3. I tip my hat to CP3's Game 1 performance. These playoffs are starting out hot.
ronoranina
Fundamentally Sound
Exactly.. Many people are fooled by Rose's play. He isn't even a true point guard.
Paul is exponentially smarter, a better shooter from the FT line, 3, and the field, handle is better, and he's easily the superior passer.
Rose is unbelievably quick/ explosive (best at this in the league) and he's a good finisher. He's a wonderful scoring PG, but he's no Paul.
People get shet twisted.. I can't blame them tho. I'll just jeep educating.
smokes
Huge Member
Yeah I mean its fair enough Rose is MVP he carried the Bulls to the playoffs but in terms of true PG's CP3 owns Rose. Rose doesn't make the players around him a great deal better.
AmareForPresident
Starter
:agreed: I just have a feeling that it will happen idk why.
WrongIslander
Rotation player
He's no D-Will.
Which one is the "ahahahahaha" smiley again?
Anyone got that sick move where he hypnotises Pau?
Which one is the "ahahahahaha" smiley again?
Anyone got that sick move where he hypnotises Pau?
ronoranina
Fundamentally Sound
I worry about people who think D. Will is in Paul's class..
Paul does EVERYTHING better than D. Will. Everything.
RunningJumper
Super Moderator
As I've told you before, rono, I'm a fan of the Hornets, watch them a lot, and am a fan of Chris Paul. Chris Paul was absolutely PHENOMENAL in the game against the Lakers. I'm not shocked he has this ability, I just haven't seen it in a long time and with a win as big as this it's even more amazing.
What that team has is two things the Knicks don't have though, a good/great defensive coach and Okafor (previously Chandler before this system).
We have two superstars and a proven champion, Billups. We spent a ton of money on two superstars, if that's not enough for role/veterans to build around them to get it done, then how much do you really think our superstars are worth? And Chris Paul saved himself for the Playoffs, not because he's lazy and didn't care, it's because of his knee. That makes Melo the only one as of now (hopefully Amar'e continues to be healthy and Paul gets healthier) out of the three that no one is concerned about injury-wise.
I realize Chris Paul's play making would be even easier for him with Melo and Amar'e, which should tell you that getting 2-4 (which would include a defensive center) pieces is more important than getting one player for max.
Chris Paul's game yesterday is a thing of beauty, but the team in general stepped up. Come on, STAT and Melo plus a good center and other new pieces should get the job done. Have a little more faith in our superstars. While Billups is great and will help us, he's not an elite passer or anything. Good, but is more of a scorer/floor general. He could work out great for us, just sayin', if you're looking for a passer who player defense, then don't go out of your way to spend a max.
Before you tell me something about how amazing Chris Paul is, which I already know, tell me why this team couldn't vastly improve with somebody to protect the paint and other solid players.
What that team has is two things the Knicks don't have though, a good/great defensive coach and Okafor (previously Chandler before this system).
We have two superstars and a proven champion, Billups. We spent a ton of money on two superstars, if that's not enough for role/veterans to build around them to get it done, then how much do you really think our superstars are worth? And Chris Paul saved himself for the Playoffs, not because he's lazy and didn't care, it's because of his knee. That makes Melo the only one as of now (hopefully Amar'e continues to be healthy and Paul gets healthier) out of the three that no one is concerned about injury-wise.
I realize Chris Paul's play making would be even easier for him with Melo and Amar'e, which should tell you that getting 2-4 (which would include a defensive center) pieces is more important than getting one player for max.
Chris Paul's game yesterday is a thing of beauty, but the team in general stepped up. Come on, STAT and Melo plus a good center and other new pieces should get the job done. Have a little more faith in our superstars. While Billups is great and will help us, he's not an elite passer or anything. Good, but is more of a scorer/floor general. He could work out great for us, just sayin', if you're looking for a passer who player defense, then don't go out of your way to spend a max.
Before you tell me something about how amazing Chris Paul is, which I already know, tell me why this team couldn't vastly improve with somebody to protect the paint and other solid players.
Sprewell-Houston
Starter
Chris Paul is the best playmaker in the NBA, in fact the best since Magic Johnson. Deron Williams can suck his nuts!
I think PAul is better than Nash, Kidd etc. have ever been.
At 5'11 this guy is beating the best team in the league on his own! I mean he has absolutely NO support whatsoever. Without West the Hornets have probably the worst roster of all 16 playoff teams and yet he beat the Lakers by himself..wow just wow.
/end thread
I think PAul is better than Nash, Kidd etc. have ever been.
At 5'11 this guy is beating the best team in the league on his own! I mean he has absolutely NO support whatsoever. Without West the Hornets have probably the worst roster of all 16 playoff teams and yet he beat the Lakers by himself..wow just wow.
/end thread
Cp3
There is no doubt that CP3 would be a magnificent addition to the team, but let's be realistic -- how the hell are we going to get him?
Melo and Amare' are untouchable assets. Fields, Douglas, and Turiaf, with his expiring contract, could be useful to other teams. We have a team option for Walker at a reasonable $900K contract. We have a first round pick this year which we cannot trade because we have no 2012 pick. We have a 2013 first round pick, which we also cannot trade because we do not have a 2014 pick. This fact, at least under the current CBA, means we cannot trade our 2015 pick.
If we pick up Billups' $14.2M contract for next year, we have zero cap space under the current CBA. It is hardly likely to improve under a new CBA. If we do pick up the contract, we have, perhaps, a valuable expiring contract. But we have no idea what it may be worth under whatever the new CBA may be.
Melo and Amare together will be making increasingly north of $40M amounts going forward. The new CBA is likely to increase incentives for players to remain with their original teams.
I just do not see us getting CP3 or Dwight Howard. We do not have the assets and we will not have any reasonable cap room.
There is no doubt that CP3 would be a magnificent addition to the team, but let's be realistic -- how the hell are we going to get him?
Melo and Amare' are untouchable assets. Fields, Douglas, and Turiaf, with his expiring contract, could be useful to other teams. We have a team option for Walker at a reasonable $900K contract. We have a first round pick this year which we cannot trade because we have no 2012 pick. We have a 2013 first round pick, which we also cannot trade because we do not have a 2014 pick. This fact, at least under the current CBA, means we cannot trade our 2015 pick.
If we pick up Billups' $14.2M contract for next year, we have zero cap space under the current CBA. It is hardly likely to improve under a new CBA. If we do pick up the contract, we have, perhaps, a valuable expiring contract. But we have no idea what it may be worth under whatever the new CBA may be.
Melo and Amare together will be making increasingly north of $40M amounts going forward. The new CBA is likely to increase incentives for players to remain with their original teams.
I just do not see us getting CP3 or Dwight Howard. We do not have the assets and we will not have any reasonable cap room.
ronoranina
Fundamentally Sound
Why do people keep asking this question?
I don't understand it..
Didn't we all see how instrumental/ integral Nash was to MDA's offense in Phoenix. Those teams under Nash were quite devastating to say the least..
Why is it so difficult to apply what you saw w those teams and use that info to project into the future. Be a basketbal visionary. Trust it. It's not hard.
PAUL WOULD EXCUTE THIS OFFENSE EVEN BETTER THAN NASH.
When and if we get him I'll will be proved right RunningJ. You know this..
Next, is this team and the style of play, w it's uptempo, quick shot philosophy conducive to a center who needs the ball in the post?
I think not.
We simply need a number of bigs who can rebound, play D and who know how to move the ball in this offense. Amare is our big who can score and dominate. He is enough.
We don't need a Chandler, or Jordan or a Gasol. The amount of impact they'd have in comparison to Turiaf, JJ and whatever young big we draft, or Jerome Jordan in this offense and on defense would be negligable. As you saw last night if we stick to our principles, not allowing back door cuts and sending guys baselien to the help, our defense can be quite effective with the guys we have. Amare is a capable shot blocker. So is Turiaf. We don't need another center acquired from FA.
Compare said impact to what you would get if we got Paul (You asked me not to tell how great he is again so I'll assume you know what he'd bring) and you can see why he's more important than getting a big.
Other than Howard, who I really don't think fits into what we want to do offensively and also would cramp Amare's style, I don't see any big or two acquisitions that would have a greater impact on this team.
Why:
1. Paul could run the P & R w Amare at the highest level ever seen IMO.
Do not take this lightly as the P& R is the key to our offense and has been sorely missing since we acquired Billups. This in turn would result in less wear and tear on Amare as he'd get easier shots and more clear paths for finishes
2. Paul would elevate guys like Turiaf, Walker, Douglas, Shawn Will and JJ. He brings/ exudes confidence and instills it in his teammates. He also, as consummate true PG, finds his guys easy looks, keeping them involved and making them better. He would do this for us, but more easily mind you, because of the genius in the spacin and principles within our offense. If you guys thought Nash ran this offense wonderfully, wait until we get this guy.. Just wait.
3. Paul would bring his defense. He is the best defensive PG in the league. He lead the league in steals this season. HE WOULD BRING HIS STEALS, DEFENSIVE MENTATLITY AND CONSTANT COMMUNICATION TO THIS TEAM.
4. Paul has the mind and competitive spirit of guys like Magic and Isiah Thomas. You prolly heard that in the broadcast yesterday, but I didn't get it from anyone else. I can see it.. and I've been saying it to anyone who'll listen since I got here to KO. Paul embodies the competitve spirit of the greatest players to ever play this game. You saw how unfazed he was by Kobe and the Lakers. His nature and drive rivals that of Kobe easily. You saw him rob Kobe at the foul line.. Paul is a killer, a dog and that's what you need. Intangibles like that don't come around often. He twice the competitor of a guy like Howard. How many times do see Paul smiling like Howard during a game. Again, like Kobe, PAUL IS A KILLER. He wants to cut your heart out. We have a guy like that in Melo too, but Paul is grimmier that him even. Trust me on this.
5. Also, I don't believe TD is our PG of the future. I see him as a reliable back up who can come in and provide scoring punch off the bench, sorta like Barbosa was w Phoenix.
6. The True PG Factor-- Again he is like Nash in that he can control the tempo of a game completely, even better than Nash actually, while making everyone around him better. He would keep the defense on it's toes at all times. When we'd run the pick and roll teams would have to pick there poison. WE'D BE TOTALLY UNSTOPPABLE OFFENSIVELY.
This is why I feel getting Paul is more important than a couple of average to good acquisitions. If we got him he'd be the best player on this team (Yes he's better than Melo and Amare respectively, and not by a little) and he would turn us into a title contender because of all he brings to a game.
Basically... I just don't understand why people don't get this.
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