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Yeah by ignoring defense and having us score 120 points to win a game.Now in his FIRST YEAR after 2 years of cap shedding/rebuilding hell he has us in the 6th seed!
Yeah by ignoring defense and having us score 120 points to win a game.Now in his FIRST YEAR after 2 years of cap shedding/rebuilding hell he has us in the 6th seed!
Another D'antoni apology coming from you! I knew you were going to try and find all the positive things that you could find in D'antoni in order to make me seem like I am just trying to attack the man for the sake of doing so.
You ever heard of sacrificing something for a greater good? I have stated several times on this thread that if the firing of D'antoni would lead to the Knicks becoming better in the long term I would be all for them missing the playoffs.
If D'antoni is such a terrific coach for making the Knicks a sixth seeded team with two of the top 10 superstars in the NBA then Doug Collins and Frank Vogel must be on the same level as Red Auerbach and Pat Riley for coaching less talented rosters with no superstars to being only a few games behind the Knicks in the standings.
Expecting the Knicks to turn it on in the playoffs because you some how believe that they need another month to gel, even though they are one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA and can't beat terrible teams, is wishful thinking at its best.
You ever heard of sacrificing something for a greater good? I have stated several times on this thread that if the firing of D'antoni would lead to the Knicks becoming better in the long term I would be all for them missing the playoffs.
If D'antoni is such a terrific coach for making the Knicks a sixth seeded team with two of the top 10 superstars in the NBA then Doug Collins and Frank Vogel must be on the same level as Red Auerbach and Pat Riley for coaching less talented rosters with no superstars to being only a few games behind the Knicks in the standings.
Expecting the Knicks to turn it on in the playoffs because you some how believe that they need another month to gel, even though they are one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA and can't beat terrible teams, is wishful thinking at its best
If D'antoni is such a terrific coach for making the Knicks a sixth seeded team with two of the top 10 superstars in the NBA then Doug Collins and Frank Vogel must be on the same level as Red Auerbach and Pat Riley for coaching less talented rosters with no superstars to being only a few games behind the Knicks in the standings.
Expecting the Knicks to turn it on in the playoffs because you some how believe that they need another month to gel, even though they are one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA and can't beat terrible teams, is wishful thinking at its best.
That's why I don't post here,because of people like you who take a basketball discussion so far up the rear end that they have to make it into something personal.
Yeah by ignoring defense and having us score 120 points to win a game.
You have been one of the biggest D'antoni apologists on this forum for the past couple of years.By just you being on this thread and defending D'antoni, you are being apologetic.I refuted your points, you just have a terrible habit of overlooking what the person debating you says.I've seen you do this a number of times to other posters.I like how you claim I am an apologist yet didn't refute a single point! So you deflect and attack me instead of debating my actual points! Silly rabbit...childish debate tactics are for kids!
There have been several teams with talented rosters that have improved after a coaching change.The 1995-96 Knicks were the perfect example of a team who had star players and were playing down to the level of their opponents until their coach was fired and replaced mid season.In the last year, teams like the Bulls and Sixers have improved after a coaching change.This is what we call making up a hypothetical and debating from it as fact. The only fact in your scenario is that the Knicks would lose. Everything else is pure conjecture considering you don't know who our coach would be, how a collapse would effect our chemistry and confidence moving forward or if we would truly be better in the long run. That is your fatal flaw...you would rather gamble with all of those unknowns and take the one known(our collapse) just to vindicate your hatred. Sad dude...sad.
The point that I was trying to make was that D'antoni shouldn't be looked at as some kind of genius just because the Knicks have the 7th seed in a conference that is a crap shoot after Boston, Chicago, Miami, and Orlando.The Knicks have a playoff spot because the teams that are below them in the standings are less talented than them, not because Mike D'antoni knows how to get the best out of mediocre talent.The fact that the Knicks were just surpassed in the standings by the Sixers after adding another superstar to their roster proves that D'antoni is not living up to his job as a coach.How intellectually dishonest of you...SMH. D'ant got us into the 6th seed with two of the top 10 players? Uhm...NO! One of those players just arrived along with a starting PG who has been injured more than he has been healthy. He got us into the 6th seed with one star playing out of position, two rookies, coaxing a career year out of an avaerage PG who is now coming off the bench for Denver and a mismash of undersized players including a perennial d-leaguer who is one of many players to have a career year under D'ant.
.I don't expect anything, I hope as a real Knick fan that they do so. If not, the experience they garner will be a substantial consolation prize. The only one foolishly expecting anything is you. You EXPECT that Coach X will somehow turn Amare and Melo into lock down defenders. You EXPECT Coach X to somehow make us a defensive team when we don't have a true center, our best rebounder is a SG and our defensive PG is 35 years old and not in our long term plans
How could I take anyone who praises his own arguments and accuses others of doing the same thing that he does seriously? I don't expect you to agree with me or change your stance, you will just continue arguing against anyone who criticizes Mike D'antoni.^^NOw that is how you address points and debate. Save the EMBRYONIC tactics of dismissing points made in your direction without a counter argument for another poster. :thumbsup:
You have been one of the biggest D'antoni apologists on this forum for the past couple of years.By just you being on this thread and defending D'antoni, you are being apologetic.I refuted your points, you just have a terrible habit of overlooking what the person debating you says.I've seen you do this a number of times to other posters.
There have been several teams with talented rosters that have improved after a coaching change.The 1995-96 Knicks were the perfect example of a team who had star players and were playing down to the level of their opponents until their coach was fired and replaced mid season.
Teams like the Bulls and Sixers have improved after a coaching change.The Knicks have 3 star players on their team and their chemistry and confidence are no where to be seen.You can't make the excuse that this team would lose chemistry and confidence moving forward when they have none of those two things to begin with.They're losing to teams like the Cavs, Pacers and Pistons.If they look like a team with confidence and chemistry to you then you must be watching only 3 quarters of the game..
It's obvious that the Knicks need a coach who could adapt a defensive culture to the team because D'antoni sure isn't motivating his players to play defense in the 4th quarter of games
The point that I was trying to make was that D'antoni shouldn't be looked at as some kind of genius just because the Knicks have the 7th seed in a conference that is a crap shoot after Boston, Chicago, Miami, and Orlando.The Knicks have a playoff spot because the teams that are below them in the standings are less talented than them, not because Mike D'antoni knows how to get the best out of mediocre talent.The fact that the Knicks were just surpassed in the standings by the Sixers after adding another superstar to their roster proves that D'antoni is not living up to his job as a coach.
Like I mentioned before, the Knicks have 3 stars on their team that have tons of playoff experience, playing 5 or 6 more games in the playoff this year will do nothing to help Amare and Melo garner more playoff experience unless Derek Rose, Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett, and Dwayne Wade all go down with a season ending injury and the Knicks magically make it to the NBA finals.
I don't expect D'antoni's replacement to turn Amar'e and Melo into Bill Russell and Sam Jones, what I want is a coach that makes team defense a number one priority, has zero tolerance for players who want to be lazy on the defensive end and a coach who is willing to set a half court offense.The Bulls, Magic and Heat are all going to be good defensive teams for a very long time and the Knicks will never get past those 3 teams unless D'antoni is replaced by someone who can motivate the Knicks to play better defense.
How could I take anyone who praises his own arguments and accuses others of doing the same thing that he does seriously? I don't expect you to agree with me or change your stance, you will just continue arguing against anyone who criticizes Mike D'antoni.