The 2015 NBA Draft

Phil would be crazy to give up the 4th for what the Celtics or Sixers could offer in this draft. Not going to happen the Knicks trading the 4th for just 2 non-lottery first rounders but I could see Phil pulling the trigger on Faried or Lawson and the 7th pick without Denver taking Calderon.

I wonder what Phil would do if the Sixers really wanted Zingis at 4 after they selected Russell and offered to trade all their number ones in next years draft for the 4 this year? That might not be a bad deal, the Knicks could use those picks as trade chips and they would be back in the game for next years draft.

I agree. Trading the 4th for two non-lottery first rounders is stupid and the kind of move that Isiah would make. I hope he's not that dumb. With the 4th pick, we're getting a high-ceiling player. Even if Towns, Okafor, and Russell are off the board, the guy we pick at #4 will still be the best guard that the Knicks have ever had since Allan Houston. Mudiay, Hezonja, and Winslow are all quality players with great physical tools. I've said it before that I think Mario Hezonja might actually be the best player in this draft because of his mix of athleticism, excellent shooting, and size for a wing prospect, and we've covered Mudiay's athleticism/size for a PG and Winslow's size/defense/athleticism to death already, so I think we're good there.

As to whether or not the Knicks would take four first-rounders for this year's #4? I don't know...it's an intriguing thought, but I'm not sure I'd do it. Next year's draft isn't supposed to be that great - do you want an impact player and potential all-star, or do you want a bunch of roleplayers like Tim Hardaway Jr. and Iman Shumpert?

That said, if they could package two of those picks for a Top 7 pick this year (i.e., if they got 4 picks from the Sixers and then traded two of them + Hardaway Jr. + Calderon to get Wilson Chandler and the #7 pick from the Nuggets, or something like that), it might work out. Would give us the #7 pick this year and two #1's next year. Who knows? I'm pretty sure Mills and Jackson are working the phones like crazy right now.
 
I agree. Trading the 4th for two non-lottery first rounders is stupid and the kind of move that Isiah would make. I hope he's not that dumb. With the 4th pick, we're getting a high-ceiling player. Even if Towns, Okafor, and Russell are off the board, the guy we pick at #4 will still be the best guard that the Knicks have ever had since Allan Houston. Mudiay, Hezonja, and Winslow are all quality players with great physical tools. I've said it before that I think Mario Hezonja might actually be the best player in this draft because of his mix of athleticism, excellent shooting, and size for a wing prospect, and we've covered Mudiay's athleticism/size for a PG and Winslow's size/defense/athleticism to death already, so I think we're good there.

As to whether or not the Knicks would take four first-rounders for this year's #4? I don't know...it's an intriguing thought, but I'm not sure I'd do it. Next year's draft isn't supposed to be that great - do you want an impact player and potential all-star, or do you want a bunch of roleplayers like Tim Hardaway Jr. and Iman Shumpert?

That said, if they could package two of those picks for a Top 7 pick this year (i.e., if they got 4 picks from the Sixers and then traded two of them + Hardaway Jr. + Calderon to get Wilson Chandler and the #7 pick from the Nuggets, or something like that), it might work out. Would give us the #7 pick this year and two #1's next year. Who knows? I'm pretty sure Mills and Jackson are working the phones like crazy right now.
I said I think PJ might surprise with the guy he selects with the pick and Hezonja would be the biggest surprise of them all, NO ONE has him going at 4.
 
I said I think PJ might surprise with the guy he selects with the pick and Hezonja would be the biggest surprise of them all, NO ONE has him going at 4.
Porzingis is a 7'1 shooter and Phil wants big men so if we are going for a euro player we are going for him before Hezonja

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Porzingis is a 7'1 shooter and Phil wants big men so if we are going for a euro player we are going for him before Hezonja

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I agree Zingis before Hezonja but Phil is not taking a kid that still has to learn to pass and rebound. Kid admits himself that it may take 5 years before he shows he's the best player in this draft.
 
I agree Zingis before Hezonja but Phil is not taking a kid that still has to learn to pass and rebound. Kid admits himself that it may take 5 years before he shows he's the best player in this draft.

Y'know it's funny, but when you phrase it like that about Porzingis, he sounds like exactly the kind of players the 76ers would draft. A guy with an amazing ceiling that needs time to be able to get there. Philly is forever building for 3 years in the future in my opinion. I hope Philly buys that sales pitch and takes Porzingis, leaving Russell or Okafor for us.

I've become very worried that the only 3 of the elite 5 prospects that we'd draft are Towns (no chance), Russell, or Okafor. If we really have no intention of taking either Mudiay or Porzingis, it will really be a huge bummer to hold onto the #4 pick to get someone who no one else would take that early.
 
I have no clue what Phil is going to do but I think he may surprise based on this quote,

which means no Mudiay or Winslow who are most pundits pick at 4 for the Knicks. His preference for a big man and D spells WCS to me, though his fit in the triangle is a question mark, he'll be an Andre Drummond type of player who will start immediately and WCS at 4 will surprise most.

I'm still hoping one of the teams above us throws a curve ball and Okafor or Russell falls to 4 but with LA looking like they'll decline Jordan Hill's option they look set to me to draft Okafor and the Sixers will drool at a PG that may be the next Steph Curry in Russell. I don't see the order of Towns, Okafor, Russell changing in the draft.


I take that quote to mean he's not going to take a player based on who critics believe will be the absolute best player from this draft on the board. Porz and Hezonja have just as much if not more buzz than anyone remaining at 4 assuming they are there. After Town Hall meeting quote, although a couple players fit the criteria who are we kidding we know Phil wasn't going to take WCS, Lyles, Turner at #1 or #2. The defensive BIG he wanted was TOWNS, pretty clear at this point.

Kind of agree with you, I don't see the order changing at this point. I think in Philly's case even if they pick Russell somewhat second guessing their situation, Hinkie is liable to tinker and maybe trade him if someone offers something worthy, immediately or down the road. I think Russell is their pick, only due to degrees of separation(Pitino, Embid, Noel)
 
I said I think PJ might surprise with the guy he selects with the pick and Hezonja would be the biggest surprise of them all, NO ONE has him going at 4.


I kind of wish he'd do this just to show the side of him no one would expect, but this is exactly what he said in the Times he won't do.
 
Y'know it's funny, but when you phrase it like that about Porzingis, he sounds like exactly the kind of players the 76ers would draft. A guy with an amazing ceiling that needs time to be able to get there. Philly is forever building for 3 years in the future in my opinion. I hope Philly buys that sales pitch and takes Porzingis, leaving Russell or Okafor for us.

I've become very worried that the only 3 of the elite 5 prospects that we'd draft are Towns (no chance), Russell, or Okafor. If we really have no intention of taking either Mudiay or Porzingis, it will really be a huge bummer to hold onto the #4 pick to get someone who no one else would take that early.


I believe if Philly was at the beginning stage of their rebuild process Porz would be the pick without hesitation. I think Hinkie is at the point he wants results or seeing some fruits from his labors. I do not believe Philly is on a mission of perpetual rebuilding.
 
Porzingis is a 7'1 shooter and Phil wants big men so if we are going for a euro player we are going for him before Hezonja

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Possibly but doesn't marry with free agency approach and realistic pursuance of talents in the summer. Hezonja is probably the best shooter from this draft not to mention defender/athlete.
 
Portion of a recent article from Sacbee on Vlade's thoughts dealing with their draft position



Sactown will be far more likely to draft a Euro with Divac in charge over there. He probably knows the Euro's and in particular the East Euro's better than anyone in the NBA.
 
Sactown will be far more likely to draft a Euro with Divac in charge over there. He probably knows the Euro's and in particular the East Euro's better than anyone in the NBA.


Yep and that's why Denver wants to trade Lawson to them for the 6th pick. Denver wants Hezonja, a player who's pretty good friends with Jusuf Nurkic(they talk everyday) and fits their need at 2 guard who could play 3 and possibly 4 in small ball situations. They know he won't be there if Orlando outright picks Porz, Sac will then snatch him up.

There's a chance I believe if Orlando picks Hezonja then Sac could pass on the Euro kid Porz because he's not ready now and Vlade said they want to win next yr. Which could result in a play for Trill(who DeMarcus Cousins wants them to draft). Thus resulting in Denver and Orlando making a trade with each other.
 
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Jusuf Nurkic said Mario Hezonja is the best shooting guard in the draft.


Nurkic is a friend of Hezonja, and he hinted that he would like to see the Nuggets select him with the seventh pick in the draft. "I talk to him every day," Nurkic said. "I think he's at this age the best shooting guard." There have also been concerns about Hezonja's ego, but Nurkic was quick to dismiss those claims. "He's a good guy," Nurkic said. "Like me, he just has confidence." Hezonja has ridiculous athleticism and a sweet shooting stroke, and he showed why scouts are raving about him by scoring 18 points with five boards and five 3-pointers in the ACB Finals on Friday.


Source: Denver Post Jun 21 - 11:13 AM


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Kristaps Porzingis - F - Player


Former NBA player Marcus Landry said that Kristaps Porzingis is the best player in the NBA Draft.
Landry (Carl's brother) was a teammate of Porzingis on Cajasol Sevilla in Spain a couple of season ago, so he was able to get close look at the Latvian seven-footer. "Honestly, I think Kristaps should be the No. 1 pick if you?re going to base it off potential,?? Landry said. "I personally think he?s the best kid in the draft. And I?m not saying that because he?s a friend of mine." Landry went on to say that Porzingis is very similar to Kevin Durant, so it's clear that Landry must have been impressed with what he saw. Porzingis' stock has been soaring in recent weeks, and he is pretty much a lock to be a top-five pick on Thursday.


Source: Racine Journal Times Jun 21 - 10:43 AM
 
Hezonja being the best SG in the draft is basically a given. Russell and Mudiay are PGs, and Hezonja is easily better than Justise Winslow, who doesn't seem to have any offensive game whatsoever
 
Looks like Mafra might be right if Phil listens to his good friend Charlie Rosen who says WCS is the guy PJ should pick to pair with Greg Monroe as an off-season acquistion.

This may be the ultimate smoke screen when a guy that PJ meets every couple of weeks says, Phil should draft WCS and what do you need Winslow and Mudiay for, just a few days before the draft. I do agree that a big is a bigger need when you have no bigs signed and have a couple of PG/SGs on the roster.

http://nypost.com/2015/06/21/phil-jacksons-pals-plan-to-bulk-up-the-knicks/

Charley Rosen, Phil Jackson’s longtime confidant, gave a recipe for what he would like to see the Zen Master do at Thursday’s draft.

Even if the two heralded big men, Karl-Anthony Towns and Jahlil Okafor, are off the board, Rosen still hopes the Knicks go big and consider taking Kentucky defensive specialist Willie Cauley-Stein. Rosen said the 7-foot Cauley-Stein would make a solid pairing with a free-agent center Jackson is going to strongly target July 1 — the Pistons’ unrestricted 7-footer Greg Monroe.
Rosen meets with Jackson every few weeks for an online mini-series recounting the 2014-15 disaster through Jackson’s eyes. He said he hopes Jackson trades down to nab a big man while netting another player for the rotation.
As for the speculation Duke swingman Justise Winslow could be the pick at No. 4, Rosen said: “What do they need him for? They need power guys more than they need him.”


The Knicks have no traditional big man under contract for next season. However, Jackson has indicated he may have to go with a wing or guard at No. 4. The Knicks will look harder to trade down if Okafor and point guard D’Angelo Russell, as expected, are off the board, and a team is looking to trade up for Kristaps Porzingis, of Latvia. There have been rumors the Suns, at 13, could dangle guard Eric Bledsoe.
Rosen believes Monroe would be a terrific addition offensively but could use an active defensive big man such as Cauley-Stein as a complement. Speculation is the Knicks could trade down for Cauley-Stein or excellent outside-shooting bigs in Wisconsin’s Frank Kaminsky and 6-10 Trey Lyles, of Kentucky.
“Greg’s got a lot of stuff going for him down there, the lefty thing — he’s a great fit,’’ Rosen said of Monroe’s low-post game. “As a big, all you need to do is rotate on defense. Greg can learn to do that, but Cauley-Stein, that’s what he does.’’
Rosen, Jackson’s assistant coach during his Albany Patroons tenure in the 1980s, isn’t enthusiastic about adding a point guard such as Emmanuel Mudiay. Rosen thinks Jackson’s disappointing addition last offseason, Jose Calderon, who will be 34 in September, is going to give the Knicks a lot more in the final two years of his contract. Calderon, who strained his calf in training camp, played in just 42 games.
“Calderon can still be great in the triangle,’’ Rosen said. “He can read [Carmelo Anthony] very well. The whole season he was injured.’’
Jackson’s presidential stint so far has been viewed as an unmitigated disaster, but he has the fourth pick and $27 million in cap space.


“People underestimate what a great evaluator of talent Phil is,’’ Rosen said. “He made the decisions in L.A., not Mitch Kupchak. Phil had to sign off on everything because he knew the triangle better than Mitch. You need a different type of player for it. It’s not necessarily the most talented player.’’
Rosen, who lives in upstate Ulster County, has been one of the triangle’s staunchest supporters, and it angers him to hear the critiques. Rosen said he felt the way the Cavs played in the Finals was the anti-triangle.
“Cleveland played streetball — 1-on-1 — everyone standing around,’’ Rosen said. “The triangle is basketball, guys. The naysayers about the triangle calling it outdated, it’s nonsense. The triangle is basic basketball and how it should be played, moving away from pressure, cutting, everybody’s always moving, pop, pop, pop. And you didn’t see much of it in the Finals.’’
 
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That article sounds like Rosen is a little out of touch with today's game and mentioning Calderon as " being great at running the triangle" is insanity. What about defending the point guard position Rosen?

Think about it Rosen Calderon was ineffective all yr because of a calf injury...let that sink in? Which turned into an Achilles injury. Who Phil attempted to trade multiple times last yr.

If Phil is looking to grab someone like WCS why would he also consider trading down for Kaminsky(who's nothing like Trill) and wouldn't compliment Monroe if Monroe is this centerpiece attraction which to build triangle with?
 
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Everything is about the triangle. I wonder how recent the inquiry was




And then Adam says..... This source could be fairly reliable, he covers New York Sports pretty heavily in particular The Knicks

 
Knicks or working out Pirzingis today. This is TWICE now we are getting a close look at the 7"1' Latvian.

I think a case can be made for Towns, Okafor, Russell, Pirzingis, Mudiay, WCS, Herzonia, Winslow. In a way, the all posses certain "triangle-worthy" attributes that garner attention from NYK perspective. This would be my big board.

I think if the top-3 are gone... We would trade down for Lyles if we got a Eric Bledsoe type talent.... OR... we dump Caderon, Get a nice player, and future picks. I think this b/c I believe Phil loves Lyles. The prospects 4-8 all come with a ?s in some aspect. Lyles may not possess the upside of those other players, but he is a solid dive right down the center of the fairway. He's a Horace Grant clone. To get Lyles & Bledsoe, or to get Lyles and dump Calderon's 8-mil... that might be more valuable in the short term, no?
 
Knicks or working out Pirzingis today. This is TWICE now we are getting a close look at the 7"1' Latvian.

I think a case can be made for Towns, Okafor, Russell, Pirzingis, Mudiay, WCS, Herzonia, Winslow. In a way, the all posses certain "triangle-worthy" attributes that garner attention from NYK perspective. This would be my big board.

I think if the top-3 are gone... We would trade down for Lyles if we got a Eric Bledsoe type talent.... OR... we dump Caderon, Get a nice player, and future picks. I think this b/c I believe Phil loves Lyles. The prospects 4-8 all come with a ?s in some aspect. Lyles may not possess the upside of those other players, but he is a solid dive right down the center of the fairway. He's a Horace Grant clone. To get Lyles & Bledsoe, or to get Lyles and dump Calderon's 8-mil... that might be more valuable in the short term, no?

no.......to dumping Calderon's contract....
Yes if we get Bledsoe in the deal......
 
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