The 2015 NBA Draft

According to The Sporting News, the Knicks are considering taking Frank Kaminsky with the no. 4 overall pick.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/sto...-mudiay?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter



If Phil Jackson takes Frank Kaminsky at no. 4, he should be fired. End of story.
Don't put it past Phil if he thinks Kaminsky is the smartest, most mature, most ready to start tomorrow and most importantly the best fit in the triangle. It's a screwball system when Charlie Rosen says it's not always the best player that's the best fit in the triangle. So you pass up the best player because you don't think he'll fit in your system, good luck with that Phil.

And to think he disavowed reports that he WON'T be here for another 4 years to fulfill his 5 year contract. I don't think I could take a 20 win season after last season or another year of PJ preaching the triangle and how NBA teams aren't playing the right way, him and Mills better hit a home run this off-season.
 
Kaminsky is probably going to be a very good player in the NBA, but yeah, no way you draft Kaminsky without trading down first. I wouldn't consider Kaminsky even in our top 5 right now for guys that we could possibly take with the #4 pick. The Sporting News, much like every other source of news, is just taking the concept of us prioritizing fit in the triangle offense above a player's actual value to a radical extreme.


I'll take Frank over Trill...that's for sure.
 
Kaminsky is probably going to be a very good player in the NBA, but yeah, no way you draft Kaminsky without trading down first. I wouldn't consider Kaminsky even in our top 5 right now for guys that we could possibly take with the #4 pick. The Sporting News, much like every other source of news, is just taking the concept of us prioritizing fit in the triangle offense above a player's actual value to a radical extreme.

Kentucky has all those lottery-bound, blue-chip, All-Americans... Frank went toe-to-toe with them. Even beat them. He wasn't highly recruited, he bloomed late at Wisc.... yet he proved to be a star. MIight mean he peaked, or NBA might be the final frontier that underestimates him.

What worries me is the fact the NBA is about young, 1-&-done talent. The 4-yr college player like a dinosaur. I'm all for it if he's a player... But I do not support taking a guy that will help Melo this year over the prospect who might be a HOF talent in 10 years. I prefer to opt for grooming the next franchise player over grabbing a role player who'll help the current franchise star.
 
Possibly but doesn't marry with free agency approach and realistic pursuance of talents in the summer. Hezonja is probably the best shooter from this draft not to mention defender/athlete.
Maybe you're right but Hezonja had an attitude problem and reminds me so much of JR smith...incredible talent but streaky and inconsistent with a bad attitude.

Phil wouldn't go for a guy like that. He traded away Tyson Shump and JR because they complained too much.

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Kentucky has all those lottery-bound, blue-chip, All-Americans... Frank went toe-to-toe with them. Even beat them. He wasn't highly recruited, he bloomed late at Wisc.... yet he proved to be a star. MIight mean he peaked, or NBA might be the final frontier that underestimates him.

What worries me is the fact the NBA is about young, 1-&-done talent. The 4-yr college player like a dinosaur. I'm all for it if he's a player... But I do not support taking a guy that will help Melo this year over the prospect who might be a HOF talent in 10 years. I prefer to opt for grooming the next franchise player over grabbing a role player who'll help the current franchise star.
How do you really know that, nobody has a crystal ball. One thing if I'm a GM is I avoid guys with injury histories in college, it's a red flag when you go to the pro's.

WCS will probably drop with those reports of his foot injury and we know the track record of bigs with foot injuries in the pros. If I were Phil I would think hard about selecting him after those reports.
 
How do you really know that, nobody has a crystal ball. One thing if I'm a GM is I avoid guys with injury histories in college, it's a red flag when you go to the pro's.

WCS will probably drop with those reports of his foot injury and we know the track record of bigs with foot injuries in the pros. If I were Phil I would think hard about selecting him after those reports.

Mafra has a point while all unknown and there isn't an exact science to this it an exec's job to project much further out than what they see today. Hence Phil's comment about drafting 1-10....saying historically you stand a good chance to get a starter. Well you can take this same parameter and continue to tweak it for best case scenarios. In short he's essentially suggesting taking care of the franchise for long-term over short-term.
 
Maybe you're right but Hezonja had an attitude problem and reminds me so much of JR smith...incredible talent but streaky and inconsistent with a bad attitude.

Phil wouldn't go for a guy like that. He traded away Tyson Shump and JR because they complained too much.

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While he has some red flags some of these players have to grow to maturity. I mean if this scares you then please stay away from D'Angelo Russell's Twitter page, because you'll discover he's hella immature. You gotta see the forest through the trees in these situations.

What I find comical is that the same fans expressing all these concerns over these young players and problems they could bring to this organization have essentially sold Phil short of being the healer of all ills. But when we hired Phil these same fans were saying how Phil was gonna fix all these vets set in their ways and players with tenure in this league, along with finding the cure for Aids, Heart Disease, and removing all traces of Racism and Police Brutality.... lol....but Phil can't fix these kids though nope.

These are also the same fans that will be suspicious of Hezo and Porz for obtuse....but would give their firstborn and die at the hands of ISIS for an opportunity to trade for a Career Loser, Cancer, Coach Killing player in Cousins and wanting Bargain back at vet minimum. I mean you can't make this stuff up.

My whole thing about being a fan is being less emotional and more rational. I understand the word fan is short for fanatic but it doesn't mean fans have to be illogical just because their heart pumps blue and orange.

As to the point of Hezo and J.R.....here's a quick exercise.....


How many players are in the league?

How many players have probably come through the league in the past 10yrs?

How many J.R. Smiths are there?


Exercise Has Now Concluded
 
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Which is why he probably doesn't trade for Bledsoe $12mil more of salary at that. I don't think we're sold on THjr long term. Phil wants a 2(penetrator/defender) or 5/4(rebounder/defender) combo. You think he'd pass on Russell if he were there? I doubt it and I doubt he passes on Mudiay.

A good trade off may trump both although I don't see the trade partner to get us what we need. I don't mind as long as he's bringing back adequate talent on cheap contracts.


Another source saying we're probably not trading the pick with explanation



In other words Phil definitely didn't like the Phx offer..... leaked it as a means to get someone to bite and offer better. No one in these ranges has something realistic to offer that provides what Phil would be looking for what looks to be something along the lines of Bledsoe/13th/additional 1st....then he'd think about it. This means all those bogus rumors of us not being enamored who'll be on the board at 4 were empty. Phil probably likes about 3-4 players at 4 to be honest.

I think Phil has a decent understanding where players will be selected within the lottery.
 
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Phil probably is deciding between Porzingis, Mudiay, Winslow, and Hezonja. Those four are the best available players at #4 unless either Okafor or Russell falls. Phil's not stupid. I don't think he'll buy into the Cauley-Stein hype. Phil, if anything, being the master of mind games and all that, probably leaked that he wanted a defensive-minded big to see if one of the teams in the top 3 would bite on Cauley-Stein. But they're not that stupid, I don't think.
 
What do you guys think about swapping with the Kings and getting the #6 pick?

I seem to recall the Kings liking Mudiay. Would the Kings swap picks with us and also swap Calderon for Collison? We'd get an average-level PG (not the greatest passer but a good shooter who can penetrate), save a bit of money (2 million dollars or so in cap space), and we'd still be able to get a great pick at #6.

Collison
Hezonja or Winslow
Melo
?
Monroe

It's a start, I think. Would give us the best backcourt we've ever had in years.
 
Phil probably is deciding between Porzingis, Mudiay, Winslow, and Hezonja. Those four are the best available players at #4 unless either Okafor or Russell falls. Phil's not stupid. I don't think he'll buy into the Cauley-Stein hype. Phil, if anything, being the master of mind games and all that, probably leaked that he wanted a defensive-minded big to see if one of the teams in the top 3 would bite on Cauley-Stein. But they're not that stupid, I don't think.

i agree. I think Phil's first choice is Towns-Okafor-Russell. That won't happen. His next choice is trade down and dump Calderon, grab a future first, a cheap vet, and a Kaminsky, Lyles, WCS. That won't materialize.... So, the decision boils down to Mudiay or Pirzingus. I think Herzonia is also in play, with Winslow the fallback - safe play. If you were impressed bc of what Winslow did in NCAA tourny.... Well, Hetzonia just topped that in Spanish league title game. He could be that tall guard Phil covets. He can really shoot.

i think Phil ultimately takes Pirzingis tho... In a way, this is a lot like the Bynum pick he had with LA. He knows if he is stuck at 4, and top 3 go as expected, he has to chose either Mudiay or Herzonia or Pirz. He'll go with the size.
 
“The kid can flat out shoot,” a Western Conference executive said. “Now he’s really, really thin, but he’s athletic. A 7-footer who can step out and hit 3s is something.”
Bobby Marks, the former Nets assistant general manager, likes Porzingis for the Knicks as well. He stressed that a lot of others feel the same and at very worst, the Knicks could pick up a valuable asset for a future move.
“I’d take Porzingis at four,” Marks said. “Then I’m talking to the fans and the media about how the team is going to be built going forward. I’d make sure the pressure on Porzingis is not too high, and I think that he’s a piece of the puzzle.”
One problem Porzingis may face immediately would be Knicks fans who have had Okafor, Towns and Russell on the brain.
“As a native New Yorker, I know the fans will not be happy to see him walk across the stage, because there’ll be somebody the Knicks haven’t drafted who played college basketball this year who the fans at least have heard about,” former St. John’s coach and now ESPN NBA analyst Fran Fraschilla said on a conference call Tuesday.
“If you’re picking four, you’re essentially … gambling,” Fraschilla said. “I don’t know how you can come up with a better gamble than a guy that’s 7-feet-1 on his way to 7-2, who’s athletic, graceful, shoots the ball from three, blocks shots and is 19 years old. I get the idea of the buzz factor, but after Okafor, Towns and Russell are gone, you might as well gamble and draft a kid who potentially could be along the lines of Dirk Nowitzki, (Pau) Gasol, (Andrei) Kirilenko. He’s a graceful player. His English is great. He’s a basketball junkie.”
So you would have an athletic shooter who speaks English well enough to avoid ordering a plate of well-done galoshes.
“He’s got a chance to be very good,” said Gregg Polinsky, the Nets’ director of player personnel. “The body is not there yet; he’s very thin. Everyone talks about how he shoots the basketball, but what separates him is he’s really competitive. He’s so skinny yet he’s willing to take a pounding. Most guys built like that are not. He has that special quality mentally to go along with a skill that’s valued in our league.”
Chris Ekstrand, an NBA consultant, stressed one key point about Porzingis’ frame.
“You’re talking about a league that values speed and shooting ability,” Ekstrand said. “You don’t see Charles Oakley and Dale Davis and Otis Thorpe any more, so he’s not going to have to play those types. It’s made for a stretch-4, guys who are tall and can shoot away from the basket. That’s what Porzingis does.”
 
Now that Phil has said he'll be here for the long haul maybe he does draft Zingis. It'll be a mess next year unless the kid is a quick study with the triangle but in the long run he may be the best player available at 4 better than Mudiay or Winslow. I don't think he'll be a great fit with Greg Monroe either, so if PJ goes Zingis maybe he rethinks acquiring Monroe. The Zingis or Monroe choice probably is why he spoke about FA should come before the draft because if the Knicks landed Monroe they would not draft a big.

Soured a bit on WCS with reports of his previous ankle surgery. Just don't think you commit to a guy at 4 many think should go lower that has question marks about an injury.
 
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Now that Phil has said he'll be here for the long haul maybe he does draft Zingis. It'll be a mess next year unless the kid is a quick study with the triangle but in the long run he may be the best player available at 4 better than Mudiay or Winslow. I don't think he'll be a great fit with Greg Monroe either, so if PJ goes Zingis maybe he rethinks acquiring Monroe. The Zingis or Monroe choice probably is why he spoke about FA should come before the draft because if the Knicks landed Monroe they would not draft a big.

Soured a bit on WCS with reports of his previous ankle surgery. Just don't think you commit to a guy at 4 many think should go lower that has question marks about an injury.


Another times piece with Phil and I caught this...part is being repeated by Phil again


Asked whether the Knicks could find a perennial star with their first pick—similar to the team striking gold with Patrick Ewing 30 years earlier—Jackson said he wasn’t sure.

“We’re hoping to. But it doesn’t jump out at us right away that there’s this consensus [of a player] with the size and physique to [be a franchise player]. But it can come in different ways. It can be a wing player, or a guard.”

The 69-year-old executive did suggest that it was unlikely the Knicks would trade their pick away, putting the likelihood at a “small percentage—maybe 5%” that New York would deal the selection to another team. (Jackson has said on other occasions that he would like to draft a big man, and his descriptions have seemingly fit Kentucky center Willie Cauley-Stein.


Well Winslow is currently talking about growing his brand in New York a No-No Phil just recently spoke of what he would not be interested in. Spears has a piece on Winslow now, not sure how Jay-Z reps are steering this kid?

Phil as the article pointrd out... said he likes players who have a mature game and defense once again. I think he's leaning towards taking a guard if he can't trade down but if he does he's trading down for Trill. Although I could conceivably see Phil drafting Porz trading him to Orlando and extracting Mo Harkless from them then taking Mudiay.
 
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Another times piece with Phil and I caught this...part is being repeated by Phil again




Well Winslow is currently talking about growing his brand in New York a No-No Phil just recently spoke of what he would not be interested in. Spears has a piece on Winslow now, not sure how Jay-Z reps are steering this kid?

Phil as the article pointrd out... said he likes players who have a mature game and defense once again. I think he's leaning towards taking a guard if he can't trade down but if he does he's trading down for Trill. Although I could conceivably see Phil drafting Porz trading him to Orlando and extracting Mo Harkless from them then taking Mudiay.
Isola was on SNY and said he didn't think the Knicks were in love with either Mudiay or Winslow so who knows but if Isola is right why would they draft them.

If PJ can look past the risk of WCS injury he may still pick him but that would lead to some serious second guessing if he injures that ankle again, a real possibility for someone like him that relies on his athleticism.
 
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Isola was on SNY and said he didn't think the Knicks were in love with either Mudiay or Winslow so who knows but if Isola is right why would they draft them.


Isola said he heard Phil was mostly in love with Trey Lyles at Kentucky, not sure how locked in on this one Isola is. He openly complains on Twitter he has no access to Phil and The Gang. If Phil is not high on either that leaves him slim on guards(worthy of being picked that high) at pick 4...Hezonja?

I think Phil wants Mudiay and Porz available to him at 4 so he can have the most leverage to still trade down in the 25th hour if need be. So we may hear reports of him not being high or talking about a guy's injury in the crux of a workout evalve. Phil has a lot of trade power at pick 4. He has to keep it high as possible before staying married to the pick.
 
Just read online that Philly may be feigning interest in Porzingis at #3 to force Orlando, who apparently is in love with Porzingis, to trade up with them. If that is the case, one, that would be great for us because it means either Okafor or Russell would drop to us, and two, it might mean that Philly is not all that concerned with getting the best available player, but rather with continuing to acquire as many assets as possible.
 
Another times piece with Phil and I caught this...part is being repeated by Phil again




Well Winslow is currently talking about growing his brand in New York a No-No Phil just recently spoke of what he would not be interested in. Spears has a piece on Winslow now, not sure how Jay-Z reps are steering this kid?

Phil as the article pointrd out... said he likes players who have a mature game and defense once again. I think he's leaning towards taking a guard if he can't trade down but if he does he's trading down for Trill. Although I could conceivably see Phil drafting Porz trading him to Orlando and extracting Mo Harkless from them then taking Mudiay.
I hope him and Mills are working the phones, I wasn't impressed when Phil said they're listening and not soliciting when asked about trade possibilities.

I was hoping Mills sit on your hands approach to being a GM would change when Phil took over but I don't think anything has changed in the front office. Always loved that about Riley, a real dealmaker making some of the biggest blockbuster trades in the last decade.
 
Just read online that Philly may be feigning interest in Porzingis at #3 to force Orlando, who apparently is in love with Porzingis, to trade up with them. If that is the case, one, that would be great for us because it means either Okafor or Russell would drop to us, and two, it might mean that Philly is not all that concerned with getting the best available player, but rather with continuing to acquire as many assets as possible.


The reports of this interest has more bluff than stuff. There are recent reports Hinkie will actually select the best player Sixers feel is on the board when they pick. Every team wants leverage when they can potentially accomplish end goal. There's another report that Sixers could trade with Portland giving up a couple second rounders to move grab another 1st round pick. I think Hinkie is trying to get it right this time. The NBA is on his heels with investigation, I doubt he does anything hokey during this draft.

I stand by Russell and maybe Mudiay is their target, not Porz unless he knows absolutely what the Lakers and we are going to do.
 
Porz gave the Knicks high praise say we're a world class organization and here's short interview on the streets with TMZ

 
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