Knicks4lyfe
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All you guys are wrong.
That is God.
Do you believe in God?
All you guys are wrong.
That is God.
I grew up Roman Catholic, got baptized, did my communion, served the church as a alter server...all that nice and dandy shit.
But growing up, I never really felt the internal need to go to God for assistance and guidance. I found it more fufiling just being independent and making my own decisions and learning from them.
I feel a lot of the stuff with the church is FLAWED and OUTDATED for our own, especially in a capitalistic society controlled by tyranny of exploiters.
Religion's main purpose is to gain power; throughout its history it has sugarcoated everything just to force plagiarism morals on more an more people till the religion blows up in high numbers.
I normally don't talk about religion because its irrelevant in my life. But I pretty much share George Carlin's view on religion.
I grew up Roman Catholic, got baptized, did my communion, served the church as a alter server...all that nice and dandy shit.
But growing up, I never really felt the internal need to go to God for assistance and guidance. I found it more fufiling just being independent and making my own decisions and learning from them.
I feel a lot of the stuff with the church is FLAWED and OUTDATED for our own, especially in a capitalistic society controlled by tyranny of exploiters.
Religion's main purpose is to gain power; throughout its history it has sugarcoated everything just to force plagiarism morals on more an more people till the religion blows up in high numbers.
I normally don't talk about religion because its irrelevant in my life. But I pretty much share George Carlin's view on religion.
Sir read your bible, Paul told Timothy to study to show thyself approved. Read Romans 1:22 "Professing to be wise, they became fools." Go back two versus to Romans 1:20 "You will be without excuse when you finally meet Jesus."..................I'll pray for you.
So, you are calling me a fool. Again, this is just part of being a Christian. Rude and arrogant. Who's the fool? Believing in an invisible man, believing that 2 people (Adam & Eve) started humans, the world is 6,000 years old, Noah fit over 3 million pairs of animals on a boat, another invisible man is trying to convince you the other invisible man does not exist, yet one invisible man has power over everything but can't seem to get rid of the other invisible man and can't convince millions of people he exists, the invisible man loves you but will punish you for not worshipping him. Go ahead and pray for me, it doesn't do any good because there is no invisible man listening to you.
The whole Adam and Eve story and Noah story is just ridiculous. And if you actually believe those stories, then you are a fool. As Knicks4life stated, Adam and Eve created all mankind, without asexual reproduction. That means they had sex. And produced children. Then in order to keep the species going, either their children had sex with each other, or Adam and Eve had sex with their children. 1.) That's a lot of incest, and just disgusting 2.) It is virtualy genetically impossible to keep a species going with only 2 individuals in a sexually reproductive population. It's called a genetic bottleneck. Interbreeding two families causes severe retardation, mutation and infertility. This happens to isolated human populations even when there are more then two families. The problem increases with severity the more the inbreeding occurs. We are seeing evidence of this in the Amish populations today whose children are disproportionately afflicted by rare and sometimes fatal genetic-based diseases because of 200 years of inbreeding. This same theory applies to Noah and only bringing 2 of every species on the boat.
But, in order for someone to actually believe these stories, they must ignore scientific knowledge. Oh wait, the other invisible man is making scientists discover these things. Now that is being foolish.
I never said the earth is 6 k years old. In fact it's probably in all likely hood much, much, much older. Since the bible said God made the heavens and the earth in the begining. That meant that he made the universe AND the earth before he put life on earth, as evidenced in him taking a few thousand years to even set th eearth up to inhabit life on it in Genesis. What I said was that from the time of Adam sinning, til now the span has been well over 6 k years. How long Adam and Eve were on earth together before sin is irrelevant because the story needed to be told on what happened then, so we know how we got where we are. The same way God just says we will die, but does not exactly lay out why it is we get old first. We just know we do.
It is totally possible that life can come from 1 man and one woman, surely if a being can make planets and put life on them, he can make sure that life reproduces enough to then sustain itself outside the first set of parents. In fact, not all forms of family breeding have suffered abnormalities even in our era, even though there is a higher chance of it as you have stated already. But the fact that there are exceptions should tell you it is possible, if not totally plausible to your comprehension.
And God and Satan are not invisible men at all. They are spirit beings. Very powerful indeed. However, if you read the bible, you would know that God deemed the devil for dead immediately after he tricked Adam and Eve. It just has not happened yet. Same principle applies for Satan and his demons as it did for Adam. God let Adam live 930 years to populate the earth as he wanted, then he died. God has allowed Satan time to prove he can run the earth better than he can, and his time is just about up. He has had almost 7 thousand years to try and prove it. Once his time is up he and all who follow him will be destroyed, because they will have constituted themselves as enemies of God and his ways. And rightfully so when God has given everyone a chance to know the issue and they simply choose to take it on or ignore it.
But you however say you believe that Jesus existed. So then that means the things that he did must have happened as well. Jesus lineage leads him back to being Adam's offspring in Luke. And he even spoke about the original Edenic marriage arrangement as if he knew it actually happened, when the pharasees asked him about divorce.
So here is my question. How could you believe that Jesus lived, and Jesus attests to Adam and Eve living, and his lineage leads back to them through Mary, yet you say they never existed? I really don't get how Jesus could be traced back to Adam and you say for a fact he lived, yet Adam did not?
And again, science has been overall a blessing. In fact, Jehovah is a scientist. But the problem comes in when science tries to disprove a maker, when everything about science shows predominently evidence of intelligent creation and design.
I proudly stand against your "god."
So, you are calling me a fool. Again, this is just part of being a Christian. Rude and arrogant. Who's the fool? Believing in an invisible man, believing that 2 people (Adam & Eve) started humans, the world is 6,000 years old, Noah fit over 3 million pairs of animals on a boat, another invisible man is trying to convince you the other invisible man does not exist, yet one invisible man has power over everything but can't seem to get rid of the other invisible man and can't convince millions of people he exists, the invisible man loves you but will punish you for not worshipping him. Go ahead and pray for me, it doesn't do any good because there is no invisible man listening to you.
The whole Adam and Eve story and Noah story is just ridiculous. And if you actually believe those stories, then you are a fool. As Knicks4life stated, Adam and Eve created all mankind, without asexual reproduction. That means they had sex. And produced children. Then in order to keep the species going, either their children had sex with each other, or Adam and Eve had sex with their children. 1.) That's a lot of incest, and just disgusting 2.) It is virtualy genetically impossible to keep a species going with only 2 individuals in a sexually reproductive population. It's called a genetic bottleneck. Interbreeding two families causes severe retardation, mutation and infertility. This happens to isolated human populations even when there are more then two families. The problem increases with severity the more the inbreeding occurs. We are seeing evidence of this in the Amish populations today whose children are disproportionately afflicted by rare and sometimes fatal genetic-based diseases because of 200 years of inbreeding. This same theory applies to Noah and only bringing 2 of every species on the boat.
But, in order for someone to actually believe these stories, they must ignore scientific knowledge. Oh wait, the other invisible man is making scientists discover these things. Now that is being foolish.
Friend, I already gave you versus from God's word. Apparently you did not read them, so I repeat to study them, meditate on them, and take it up with the Lord Jesus. Read Romans Chapter 1..verse 19 to 23. Buy a Bible commentary and study what the Bible has to say. And while your at it read Proverbs chapter 14 verse 12. End of discussion.
You're splitting hairs here. My point is that life has existed long before the bible says. Dinosaurs existed around 150 million years ago. Neaderthal man existed around 250,000 years ago. The first life, single-celled organisms existed around 3 billion years ago. But you ignore these facts and claim that scientists just make this stuff up in their heads. Even though I've proven to you how they do it through rigorous testing. I've already proven to you why we die as well. But you've ignored these facts as well. You even claimed that scientists have proved that we can live forever, yet they don't know why we die. A completely false statement. Who's making stuff up in their heads here?
Give me one example, a real example not a made up one from the bible, where two individuals of any species have been able to sustain a viable population without suffering serious genetic diseases. And Adam and Eve is not an answer. Because they did not exist. Besides, in that story, there still had to be inbreeding. So Adam and Eve had sex with their children, and their children had sex with each other. That's just gross man. What a religion!
There is actually more evidence that they do exist, than neanderthals lol.Spirits, invisible beings, same difference. They don't exist.
Yes, I believe Jesus existed. But that doesn't mean he did the things the bible says he did. As far as I know, he was a very influential man. Like I said before, people thought David Koresh was the son of God and that he performed miracles. If someone can convince many people in modern times, a person like David Koresh would have a field day with people in ancient times.
You like science when it gives you good things, but dislike it when it disproves your religion to be true. Even though the same principles are applied. I've said this before. Science does not have a motive to disprove your religion. The facts just do. Religion has a motive to disprove the facts that science figures out. The purpose of science is to gain knowledge and discover the truth in order to benefit mankind. Your religion just happens to stand in the way.
How can you prove that neanderthals existed? You seen one? Anyone ever have? So mankind went from dumb to smart? How did women evolve? Hmm. How do you know that single cell organisms existed? If that is a fact, then how come every neanderthal or apeman ever shown in an meuseum is said to be imaginatory based on the individuals taste? Why don't all scientists agree with that theory? What makes the Scientist who believe in intelligent design, differ from those who don't? They examine the same things , correct? WHAT FACTS DO SCIENTIST HAVE THAT NEANDERTHALS EXISTED? THEY HAVE NONE. THEORY.
I said they have proven that humans SHOULD be capable of living forever, if not for the fact that we get old and die. They don't know why we age to the point of death. These things that regenerate with ease during youth stop all the sudden after a time. A mystery to them. Why? They can tell us about neanderthals 250,000 years ago.
And after all their rigorous testing, they still cannot say for a fact how even the earth was here. Theory.
Adam made many children with Eve, how many who knows. Adam surely did not sleep with his children. Silly. You beleieve Jesus existed WHOSE LINEAGE IS FROM ADAM, but ADAM did not exist? That makes sense.
There is actually more evidence that they do exist, than neanderthals lol.
So the only place that we can find out about Jesus is the bible that you don't believe in, but you believe Jesus existed, from a fictional book? Ok.
Are we really comparing the son of God to a deranged psycho-rapist-mass murderer? Did Jesus force anyone to follow him? Did Jesus followers have spears and swords going down to kill those apprehending him?
Wow...
Science can never prove the bible wrong. Can't ever happen. The bible has facts about the earth long before science knew for sure they were facts. I know, I know.. a magical merchant. Yea, that guy guessed and it became fact.
And if science is supposed to benefit mankind so much, how come science can't heal people permanently? Or stop death? Where is the damn cancer vaccine already? IT'S BEEN AGES THAT MONSTER BEEN AROUND! Science gets donated BILLIONS of dollars a year and Cancer still around! They are just now within the past 30-40 years starting to realize the earth is being ruined! Science is also somewhat responsible for NUCLEAR WARFARE! Where are the lasting benefits of human science? THERE ARE NONE! Yet a man in sandals and a dress walked on water, healed the sick and fed the poor with 2 fish and three loaves of bread. A man you believe exist, and his story is only in one place, but you don't believe the story, or that Adam was his parent, but you believe he existed. People just decided to make this man a deity to control the masses.
And men were running around hairy and dumb clubbing eachother 250,000 years back , and now look, they can save the world through science! :thumbsup:
Lol. Cancer is still around because it is too profitable to cure it. Way too many meds for those that have cancer, why should the medical industry throw away a renewable goldmine?
That makes you not worth debating with. If you are truly that ignorant, you are beyond hope. The planet and mankind are far older than 6k years. You are nothing but church propaganda. You cannot be taken seriously because you only regurgitate the things that you were taught without looking for your own answers. You, sir, are a sheep.
And I do respect you for having such strong beliefs and convictions, but its hard for me to understand how one can deny such overwhelming scientific evidence as to the age of the earth and mankind.
Give me one example, a real example not a made up one from the bible, where two individuals of any species have been able to sustain a viable population without suffering serious genetic diseases. And Adam and Eve is not an answer. Because they did not exist. Besides, in that story, there still had to be inbreeding. So Adam and Eve had sex with their children, and their children had sex with each other. That's just gross man. What a religion!
How can you prove that neanderthals existed? You seen one? Anyone ever have? So mankind went from dumb to smart? How did women evolve? Hmm. How do you know that single cell organisms existed? If that is a fact, then how come every neanderthal or apeman ever shown in an meuseum is said to be imaginatory based on the individuals taste? Why don't all scientists agree with that theory? What makes the Scientist who believe in intelligent design, differ from those who don't? They examine the same things , correct? WHAT FACTS DO SCIENTIST HAVE THAT NEANDERTHALS EXISTED? THEY HAVE NONE. THEORY.
I said they have proven that humans SHOULD be capable of living forever, if not for the fact that we get old and die. They don't know why we age to the point of death. These things that regenerate with ease during youth stop all the sudden after a time. A mystery to them. Why? They can tell us about neanderthals 250,000 years ago.
And after all their rigorous testing, they still cannot say for a fact how even the earth was here. Theory.
Adam made many children with Eve, how many who knows. Adam surely did not sleep with his children. Silly. You beleieve Jesus existed WHOSE LINEAGE IS FROM ADAM, but ADAM did not exist? That makes sense.
There is actually more evidence that they do exist, than neanderthals lol.
So the only place that we can find out about Jesus is the bible that you don't believe in, but you believe Jesus existed, from a fictional book? Ok.
Are we really comparing the son of God to a deranged psycho-rapist-mass murderer? Did Jesus force anyone to follow him? Did Jesus followers have spears and swords going down to kill those apprehending him?
Wow...
Science can never prove the bible wrong. Can't ever happen. The bible has facts about the earth long before science knew for sure they were facts. I know, I know.. a magical merchant. Yea, that guy guessed and it became fact.
And if science is supposed to benefit mankind so much, how come science can't heal people permanently? Or stop death? Where is the damn cancer vaccine already? IT'S BEEN AGES THAT MONSTER BEEN AROUND! Science gets donated BILLIONS of dollars a year and Cancer still around! They are just now within the past 30-40 years starting to realize the earth is being ruined! Science is also somewhat responsible for NUCLEAR WARFARE! Where are the lasting benefits of human science? THERE ARE NONE! Yet a man in sandals and a dress walked on water, healed the sick and fed the poor with 2 fish and three loaves of bread. A man you believe exist, and his story is only in one place, but you don't believe the story, or that Adam was his parent, but you believe he existed. People just decided to make this man a deity to control the masses.
And men were running around hairy and dumb clubbing eachother 250,000 years back , and now look, they can save the world through science!
There it is. I forgot about that one. I knew Jesus existed from other sources outside of the bible. Thank you.