I don?t even know where to start with this.
First of all, I asked for justification. I hate to be that blunt with you but if those that know BB no you can?t JUSTIFY RJ starting or existent on the Knicks. You don?t even know what you just wrote. It is more of an indictment than justification.
You named 8 player that are either vet or 2nd year players when RJ walk onto the court in training camp. If you had any idea what a real training camp is about? you would?ve come close saying anything about my statement. Using the words ?Real Training Camp? is something that NBA team have gotten away from. Last year the Houston Rocket had the last real training camp.
Do you know what goes on in a real training camp? It call competition!! You have 2 vet that know training camps and the end and out of the NBA. Do you think they are going to let a rookie walk in and beat them out of a starting position? You once said that I?m in an alternative universe. Well if you think that RJ is going to beat out both Bullock and Ellington you have lost your mine. In a real world of BB that just isn?t possible. Not just because of them but more because of RJ talent. Neither were PG. I get back to that.
I started with Vet. Now you have Dotson and Trier. Dotson is the incumbent starting SG and Trier the backup. Again that you think they are going to come to camp in the best shape of their lives to keep their positions. Base on just talent and nothing else it no way for him to beat out either in real competition. They aren?t PG either.
Now we have Payton, Frank and DSJ. One vet and two 2nd year players. So again, they are going to let a no talented rookie that their position and start of them.
**Ever been in a training camp or any kind of sport competition where you compete for position. I Doubt IT!!
You got RJ competing with PG and he can?t handle the ball or ever played that position.
Ok, it the start of the season and the first game. RJ is at PG, seriously!! Trier is at SG. Do you remember what happen doing that game? It was a disaster at PG!! I think he stayed at PG for a couple of series and Payton was put in.
Next game RJ is at SG. How?? Didn?t he win the PG?? Again do you know training camps? You don?t normal compete for but one position. So now you have to believe that RJ not only won the PG but the SG, too. Incredible!!
**What Happen?? So Payton was out played at PG and Trier didn?t win the SG. Neither did Bullock or Ellington. Let not forget about the incumbent Dotson. Winning starting position and earning spots on a team isn?t done the way I just wrote. Only if you are GIVING positions does this happen.
**Now you have cancer either starting or spending thru out the team. Nothing good can come of anything like this. As long as that player is there? There will always be cancer. That is the reason both Dotson and Trier had to go. They would always be evident of RJ not winning a starting SG.
I can?t believe you make the statement below.
?So you mean to tell me RJ is suppose to prove he better than these guys when he was ALREADY better than them and his play proved so?
Yes, RJ and any other rookie have to prove themselves!! When was he already better than Bullock, Ellington, Trier and Dotson? Prove that you are better because his play and the scenario(training camp) above paints a different picture.
I know a little something about BB not mention Real BB. I have played, I have hit last second shot, I have coach a team to a championship, I have lost a championship game.
Watching videos of RJ playing defense is different than watching him play defense the whole game. I have ISO on him(to be fair) the whole game and that why I say the things I do. Many games and I can say this that there is only one game that RJ has played decent defense. Just one game. His defense disqualified him from playing and definitely from starting.
3 different positions(PG, SG and Sf) in 3 years? What the problem?? Can?t figure out which one he good at? How about NONE!!
** Dotson and Trier ?I have no evident they are good players?. Let see the person that won the most NBA championship draft both. On the recommendation of C. Gaines, who learn real bb from his father ?Big House?. So now if you got better credentials for the people that draft RJ? By all means mention them. I know the 2 of them(Jax & Gaines) know talent. You and those that drafted RJ?. If you got to GIVE starting to position to justify you drafting a player it says something about your skillset and knowledge of talent.
Learn something about training camps before you reply. It not a good optic for you because you try real hard to show you know something about BB. As someone said "I didn't draft RJ"!!
Don?t be afraid to be blunt. I'm metrocard, don't take it personal. But please be afraid to write a lot and say nothing, you could of summed up that post in two sentences.
Can you answer my following questions with dodging?
Who are "those"?
What is existent on the Knicks? (in your first paragraph, explain because you make no sense)
I justified why RJ is better than:
Frank Ntilikina
Eflriid Payton
Dennis Smith
Alonzo Trier
Reggie Bullock
Kevin Knox
Wayne Ellington
Damyean Dotson
with video proof, statistics, literal game evaulation.
You didn?t.
You didn?t say any reason why those following players were a ?challenge? for RJ to even need to fight for a starting sport. That?s just as ignorant as saying LeBron James needed to fight Ira Newbie for a starting spot in Cleveland. Your argument literally has no sense and it?s a reach for you to continue the narrative that RJ isn?t good.
You're a poster on Knicksonline.com, just like me and everyone else.
No one in any NBA training facility or training camp knows you. Stop acting like you're an insider or have experience working for the NBA. You can't just attack someone for "not knowing basketball" or assume their take is invalid because they're not up close in an NBA training facility. You don?t know me personally or anyone in here. Stop assuming people?s background based on your lack of knowledge. People who work in training camps and facilities don?t present takes like you. This is more of a take of the guy everyone ignores at the barber shop when they try to talk sports, not someone who works in training camps and if you did or do, please present your history since apparently you rather talk about that than RJ Barrett himself. Just seems like gas lighting and total cop-out to avoid basketball discussion and just do some lame measuring contest. I?m not here to compete with you so lay off the ish that has nothing to do with RJ being a bad defender. I know what I wrote. I listed 8 players that RJ was clearly better than, even before he entered the NBA and today in 2021, where are those players? You?re not answering questions. You?re avoiding them just to post, which kills your argument even further because you?re wasting a post and not answering anything.
Your argument would make more sense if it was Eddie Jones vs Kobe. But it doesn?t. Reggie Bullock can play his heart out, but it doesn?t matter in the end of the day. RJ was and will be the superior talent. RJ wasn?t just some undrafted rookie. He was the #3 pick. Why do you assume RJ went to training camp and didn?t work for his? Were you at the Knicks training facility? Please answer this.
Were you at the Knicks training facility? Please answer this.
Were you at the Knicks training facility? Please answer this.
Were you at the Knicks training facility? Please answer this.
Were you at the Knicks training facility? Please answer this.
It?s safe to say you weren?t and your entire post is based on ASSUMPTION. Baseless.
?**Ever been in a training camp or any kind of sport competition where you compete for position. I Doubt IT!!?
Again you don?t know my history or anyone?s history here. Stop making ignorant statements because for what reason who knows. You?re not an athlete, you?re posting on a forum. I?m not here to brag. You shouldn?t neither. Athletes and competitive people don?t go on forums and bragging about their accolades. I?m secure and safe with mines. If you want to get to know me, send me a private message instead of make yourself look senile.
?You got RJ competing with PG and he can?t handle the ball or ever played that position.
Ok, it the start of the season and the first game. RJ is at PG, seriously!! Trier is at SG. Do you remember what happen doing that game? It was a disaster at PG!! I think he stayed at PG for a couple of series and Payton was put in.
Next game RJ is at SG. How?? Didn?t he win the PG?? Again do you know training camps? You don?t normal compete for but one position. So now you have to believe that RJ not only won the PG but the SG, too. Incredible!!?
RJ was 19 and you?re giving an overdramatic take. Theres tons of guys in the NBA today who never played PG at 19 but play it now. It?s called development. Patience. This is where you?re wrong. You can critique RJ all you want, but he was 19 and doing 100% better than 99% percentile of 19 year olds playing basketball on a professional level. He came in as a starter, struggled but evolved and got better. Had a great sophomore year, and had some good games this season.
?When was he already better than Bullock, Ellington, Trier and Dotson? ?
RJ Barrett was better than those guys already at 16. They?re all unemployed or struggling to get minutes, where as RJ is the cornerstone of the Knicks franchise and you gotta hold that.
?Watching videos of RJ playing defense is different than watching him play defense the whole game. ?
Yes, but you don?t do neither.
You don?t watch video footage of RJ so your opinion on him is baseless and when you watch games, you?re watching it from a hater?s lens perspective because you struggle to even describe what RJ?s game is like, because god forbid if you compliment his game, your entire take sinks.
No one on this forum cares if you coached a JV team. You could play ball and still give dumb takes. Charles Barkley and Paul Pierce do it all the time and you was never a professional at what you did. Dude, you somehow took a harmless post and made it about your entire life story. Get over the past, accept you?re old and not remembered and you?re posting on the forums just like me. You hit a game winning shot lol okay cool, but you?re still wrong about RJ.
You spent more time talking about yourself than RJ? Barrett. It?s kinda narcissistic and little diva-like.
You went from saying RJ plays no defense, to saying he plays good defense sometimes after I provided video evidence for you. Don?t you see how that?s swaying how you?re talking now? You?re very quiet now about RJ, which is why you?re talking more about yourself and less about RJ. Like I said don?t take it personal. This isn?t about our personal lives. Chill out because I came here on a promise there wouldn?t be any drama and you?re being dramatic. Literally 0 people on this forum care about your past and it shows. lol not even Kiyaman is agreeing or replying to the long paragraphs about your past. Dude is not even interested and I knew Kiyaman before he came to this forum, I was the guy who invited him. You?re better off just focusing on the topic at hand RJ. Grow up and move on from the past, it?s 2021 and you?re not doing anything in the NBA to act like you know what happens in a professional setting. It just doesn?t have to anything with this post anyway. You think I don?t know basketball? That?s cool. But just don?t have to throw out insecurities because it just kills the vibe of the this thread.
I don?t even know where to start with this.
The only believable part of your post
For me, I'l pass on reading another sad tirade about ?well back in my day, blah blah blah?.
Nothing personal, I just rather drama die in this forum asap than it continued. Reply as you wish, I won?t read. I'm sure I'm not the first to put you on ignore. Happy Holidays however.
