Great analysis of our defense
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pat
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Let's see whether Thibs is willing to correct himself. As of now, the lineup change has done absolutely zilch to improve our performance.
Dark Raider
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It amazing how you guys all of a sudden see Walker and Evan as turnstile. Not one time have I ever heard you talk about that #3 all pick as one. How do you see Walker and Evan in a short period time and not see RJ for 3 years? That amazing!! So you see what you want and ignore what you want when it comes to certain players. THAT AIN'T RIGHT, GANG!!
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KingCharles34
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I couldnt watch the video but what i think is theres alot of problems that can be pointed to but it all starts with Julius Randle and his regression from last year to this year. To me the question isnt who has played poorly but who has played well consistently this year?
The only 3 players i can say im liking what ive seen from them are Rose, Toppin and IQ
We need our identity back where all the guys buy in and play like savages with constant effort on defense
The only 3 players i can say im liking what ive seen from them are Rose, Toppin and IQ
We need our identity back where all the guys buy in and play like savages with constant effort on defense
metrocard
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metrocard
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RJ never been a turnstile, you now have 3 sources of video footage that proves this. Every good defender in the NBA gets burned. Watch Clipper games, George/Leonard considered elite defenders. 82 games a long season. Players will have off and on days. However RJ never been a "weak defender" kill that narrative because theres no substance or proof to it except Kiyaman's take based on evidence and unrealstic expectations for a 21 year old.
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Dark Raider
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RJ has been a turnstile from moment he tried to play PG his rookie season. That horrible experiment lasted one game. REMEMBER!!
Playing SG was no better. Running and grabbing his man from behind. Constantly losing his so he try to rebound the ball.
This is all time.
So whatever video you trying to show it isn?t working. Just like RJ!!
Playing SG was no better. Running and grabbing his man from behind. Constantly losing his so he try to rebound the ball.
This is all time.
So whatever video you trying to show it isn?t working. Just like RJ!!
metrocard
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All this gets debunked by these 3 videos. I'll add one more for the forum even though you'll watch 0 of them.
if it's not working for you, here at the links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfCKcsc0A0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrawhLkbTYs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yi-tKfIE58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkVN1DxDeLA
You're only not watching these, because you rather keep your narrative which is debunked and proven 200% wrong than actually learn more about a player on your team with video EVIDENCE that proves he's a very capable defender, especially against good players. Coming back to this thread without learning anything is not only L but also he turnstile comment you used twice and it still bombed because you dont have an argument or evidence behind it. If would make more sense if you had a video breakdown on why RJ is a failed defender, but you do not have that or will provide that....so we're just basing this on your personal feelings. Include evidence so people here can gather information instead of sharing a narrative you like instead of a narrative you understand. You don't understand RJ Barrett because you intentionally try to not to research evidence that shows the kid can play both ends and is only 21. It's literally intentional, and you have the right to be wrong. That's way different than just having an honest debate about RJ, this isn't a debate. You want to believe he's a bad defender based on no evidence and a bad performance. For the totality, he's been better than most and is top among his classmates. He is not Mikal Bridges, but RJ has the physicality and toolset to be good on defense.
Dark Raider
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Hey Metro, thanks for videos and I see you trying to build you case for RJ. And No I didn't look at your videos. The best evident is watching his play on both side of the ball in a game not to research a video. That statement should hit home with you. Quit digging hole for yourself it makes you look bad.
Reason why is because I don't need your videos to evaluate whether RJ can play defense. Video clip don't tell the whole complete story of a player playing defense. I have ISO RJ in many games to be fair with him about his talent and defense. My observations of his ability to play is well documented in this forum. Trying to hide him on defense seen to be case with both of his coaches. He is given the weakest player on the opposing team offense most time. I have seen Randle on his man sometime who is a much better defender. Running and grabbing his man from behind because he not fast enough to keep up, Getting lost on defense assignment, Losing his man because he wants to go rebound the ball.
The above statement disqualifies him from starting(day one) and playing off the bench.
"No I don't want to believe he is a bad defender".... HE IS!! Period!!
You know the way to change this lemon into lemonade. Put his butt on the bench until we can find someone stupid enough to take him.
"But RJ has the physicality and toolset to be good on defense" If he has what you say then HE WOULD BE(or IS) GOOD ON DEFENSE... not "TO BE"!! Even you at the end question his existent.
As someone said "I didn't draft RJ"... I'll add this "You Did".
metrocard
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Everyone on the Knicksonline forum watch the Knicks. Majority.
1. Stop assuming because someone post a video anaylsis that debunks your entire argument, that they themselves don't watch games.
2. Admitting you won't watch a video proves you lost the debate because you literally have no counter argument against it.
3. Videos give you a analysis on certain moments in a game and don't give the "whole story", but your problem is you want to close the book on RJ and say he's a turnstile on defense with no room for improvement. You're calling the kid a bust and that he should benched immediately. There is a massive difference between telling the "whole story" and just completely writing someone off. The whole story says RJ has displayed great defense, but your problem is your way of thinking is outdated and this is a new NBA. Everyone gets burned on defense. Boy if Kawhi Leonard was on the Knicks, you would be pressed over his lack of defense because he takes "nights" off. Ask any Clipper fan. Posters like you don't go far because you base your post on sensationalism instead of facts. Superstars and great defenders get cooked often, especially in a NBA where offenses and defenses have evolved into something we never seen in the past. Your argument is flawed because in order for RJ to be considered a good defender, he needs to play lockdown defense everygame. Not even Jimmy Butler or Lu Dortz achieve that. Some nights, they're off - let it be fatigue or just their opponent had the upper hand on them. That's the NBA. That's why your argument is extremely lacking in substance. The bar for RJ to reach to be considered a good defender is Ron Artest meets Sprewell every night. Not even All NBA defenders achieve this.
He is given the weakest player on the opposing team offense most time. I have seen Randle on his man sometime who is a much better defender. - Dark Raider 2021
That statement alone not only disqualifies you as someone who don't watch Knick games, but as someone who has no idea what defense means. Julius Randle has been one of the worst defenders at his position for his entire career. If you think Julius Randle is a good defender, but RJ isn't, that alone disqualifies you from the world of basketball, for life. You're as delusional as Julius himself:
https://nypost.com/2021/12/20/knicks-julius-randle-calls-defense-pretty-good-numbers-say-different/
Knicks? advanced numbers with and without Randle on the floor are not in his favor. With Randle on the court, the Knicks? defensive rating is 113.2, but with Randle off the court, that number goes down to 99.5. For reference, the Knicks? offensive rating is 105.7 with Randle on the court and 113.8 off of it.
that kills your entire argument, come back and say "I don't watch videos, I don't need stats". yea we know.
Not only Julius is the worst Knick defender, his kills our offense. Yea, this gotta end here man. Be safe and have a good new year. I'm sure I'm not the first person putting you on their ignore list.