Pro Basketball is a team sport, It's all about chemistry, being on the same page. O.J Mayo does not fit in well under the word TEAM. He still carry his high school mentality. He have all the tools to become a superstars but for that to happen he need someone to guide him. The right coach and the right team mate. Mayo need to take a step or two back, watch and learn. He is far from ready to be the #1 option.
Knicks failing to obtain Mayo on Draft Nite 08 will set the franchise back a decade.
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THOSE ARE SOME PRETTY RIDICULOUS STATS.
Mayo is the best rookie from this draft class.
Followed by Rose
followed by Lopez
followed by Augustin
Followed by Randolph
Followed by Beasley
Followed by Westbrook
Followed by Gallinari
Followed by Gordon
and finally followed by Love
I remember there was a potential trend that would send Lee to Memphis + the Knicks 1st for Memphis 1st....I understand Memphis got Love @ 5...but Minnesota wanted LOVE badly....so we could of swapped Love for Mayo and get a sweet deal...also send Crawford as a filler since to replace Mayo @ SG.
Mike Miller, Brian Cardinal, and Jason Collins.
Yo....we could of offered way better than that...eh.
Knicks could of been
Duhon
Mayo
Chandler
????
????
Who cares.
Mayo is a guy you could build around.
Very Kobe-esqe.
87 FT shooter
One of the best jumpshots in the NBA.
38% 3pt shooter on his first year.
Averages more assist than TO'S
almost 19 ppg under 3 TO's per game.
Excellent defender.
Excellent PG skills at the SG position.
Excellent athlete who doen't rely on his athelism, more on his agility(which is why he would have a career like Kobe and won't break down like Carter or Wade last year)
Damn...we always settle for medicore shit...its so lame.
There won't be a player of Mayo's caliber for a while...Mayo > Griffin, Rubio, Jennings, etc...
Mayo will be a top 3 player...guranteed.
Amuse you?
"Prove it.
Google.
How can you honestly say Gallo > Mayo?
Project Gallo stats at his max potential
and then project Mayo's stats at his max potential."
How about educate you? I don't need Google, I followed last year very closely. The Knicks were very interested in OJ but could not get into the top 3. The Lee trade was not going to get them Mayo, nor was it going to get them 2 top 10 picks. It was Lee + #8 to move up to #5. If you don't know that, you are either stupid or don't know what you read. Amused yet?
As far as projecting stats, that further proves your lack of basketball intelligence. According to what you are asking, David Lee is only 5 points and a couple of boards and 3 blocked shots less valuable than Dwight Howard. Plus Lee gets an extra assist. I would guess that makes Lee close in value....right? Amused yet? I am. In fact I am lmao. Dullard.
Btw...I like Mayo, I just think Gallo will have more positive impact in the games he plays in. He is already a MUCH better shooter from everywhere.
"Prove it.
Google.
How can you honestly say Gallo > Mayo?
Project Gallo stats at his max potential
and then project Mayo's stats at his max potential."
How about educate you? I don't need Google, I followed last year very closely. The Knicks were very interested in OJ but could not get into the top 3. The Lee trade was not going to get them Mayo, nor was it going to get them 2 top 10 picks. It was Lee + #8 to move up to #5. If you don't know that, you are either stupid or don't know what you read. Amused yet?
As far as projecting stats, that further proves your lack of basketball intelligence. According to what you are asking, David Lee is only 5 points and a couple of boards and 3 blocked shots less valuable than Dwight Howard. Plus Lee gets an extra assist. I would guess that makes Lee close in value....right? Amused yet? I am. In fact I am lmao. Dullard.
Btw...I like Mayo, I just think Gallo will have more positive impact in the games he plays in. He is already a MUCH better shooter from everywhere.
Try not to get so sensitive alpha. We are all friends here. I agree with you that Gallinari is a great shooter, but you can build a team around Mayo; You can't build a team around Gallinari. Like you said though the Knicks had no reasonable shot at making the trade with Minnesota for the #3 pick.
So I'm not really sure what this thread is about.
This is like starting a thread saying I wish the Knicks would have traded 10 future 1st round picks for Lebron James back in the 2003 draft.
So I'm not really sure what this thread is about.
This is like starting a thread saying I wish the Knicks would have traded 10 future 1st round picks for Lebron James back in the 2003 draft.
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Pretty much...
OGKnickfan
Enlightened
Gallinari lacks coordination and makes very awkward looking moves, is very prone to being stripped of the ball, has no post up game, has, thus far, not shown the ability to consistently score when not open: while defended. He's also a defensive liability and is possibly injury prone.
He is never going to be as good as Mayo, or any of those picks mentioned, not even Kevin Love. It was a nepotism pick. It's too much of a coincidence that Gallinari winds up in NY, alongside D'Antoni, his godfather, whom, after he saw him hired by NY, Gallinari wanted to follow and demonstrated so, by demanding to be drafted by the Knicks.
The guy was a bust before he was even a bust. I was saying that from day one, since summer league. In his games, he was playing against guys that are like Brian Cardinal, for real. He'd just run in, and they'd wave a hand and allow him to score. And he'll be a bust next year. Dude's a bust. Being able to shoot open threes is what you can get from any three point specialist in this league. Deal with it.
He is never going to be as good as Mayo, or any of those picks mentioned, not even Kevin Love. It was a nepotism pick. It's too much of a coincidence that Gallinari winds up in NY, alongside D'Antoni, his godfather, whom, after he saw him hired by NY, Gallinari wanted to follow and demonstrated so, by demanding to be drafted by the Knicks.
The guy was a bust before he was even a bust. I was saying that from day one, since summer league. In his games, he was playing against guys that are like Brian Cardinal, for real. He'd just run in, and they'd wave a hand and allow him to score. And he'll be a bust next year. Dude's a bust. Being able to shoot open threes is what you can get from any three point specialist in this league. Deal with it.
Another ridiculous post...
"Gallinari lacks coordination and makes very awkward looking moves, is very prone to being stripped of the ball, has no post up game, has, thus far, not shown the ability to consistently score when not open: while defended. He's also a defensive liability and is possibly injury prone.
He is never going to be as good as Mayo, or any of those picks mentioned, not even Kevin Love. It was a nepotism pick. It's too much of a coincidence that Gallinari winds up in NY, alongside D'Antoni, his godfather, whom, after he saw him hired by NY, Gallinari wanted to follow and demonstrated so, by demanding to be drafted by the Knicks."
You must take the Basketball short bus. He is coordinated as hell. Awkward moves? Can't score while defended? Either you haven't seen his games or you are another guy that has no clue. Let's see....he made a fool out of Josh Smith, shook iggy, did a "shake and bake" on Tmac and drew the 3pt foul, beat Artest, and so far whenever he has had time, space, and the inclination, has beaten every defender he has faced. Just because he doesn't do it all the time like some selfish "And1" player doesn't mean he can't. He understands the game at a level no one else in the draft does at this point. He is not only a great shooter, he was leading the league in 3% before his back started to stiffen up again. Gallinari ended up in NY because he refused to work out for teams outside the NY area. D'Antoni actually did not want Gallo until Isiah's report the the kid was the real deal and extremely tough for a Euro player. Still, Walsh had to convince him. He may be his Godfather, but they have not had a close relationship. You watch too many movies.
Injury prone? You hope so, don't you, so you can be right. This back issue is the first serious injury he has had. You're reaching. Stripped of the ball frequently? That is total BS. Strips are turnovers and he averages one half of one turnover per game. Read it again. One half of one turnover.
Its hard to score when you don't get the ball. Whenever the ball goes thru him, good things happen. They don't always show up in the stats. As far as being a defensive liability? I guess that is why he guards 1s, 2s, 3s, and 4s. He is not incredibly quick but he is long and smart and plays the angles well. He is also a brilliant help defender. Best on this team by a large margin. If you think he has no post up game I suggest you spend a little time "youtubing" it's all there for the uninformed. What's the teams record since he left? His basketball value goes beyond what guys like you are capable of recognizing. Next you'll tell me we need Derozan or Harden...lol
"Gallinari lacks coordination and makes very awkward looking moves, is very prone to being stripped of the ball, has no post up game, has, thus far, not shown the ability to consistently score when not open: while defended. He's also a defensive liability and is possibly injury prone.
He is never going to be as good as Mayo, or any of those picks mentioned, not even Kevin Love. It was a nepotism pick. It's too much of a coincidence that Gallinari winds up in NY, alongside D'Antoni, his godfather, whom, after he saw him hired by NY, Gallinari wanted to follow and demonstrated so, by demanding to be drafted by the Knicks."
You must take the Basketball short bus. He is coordinated as hell. Awkward moves? Can't score while defended? Either you haven't seen his games or you are another guy that has no clue. Let's see....he made a fool out of Josh Smith, shook iggy, did a "shake and bake" on Tmac and drew the 3pt foul, beat Artest, and so far whenever he has had time, space, and the inclination, has beaten every defender he has faced. Just because he doesn't do it all the time like some selfish "And1" player doesn't mean he can't. He understands the game at a level no one else in the draft does at this point. He is not only a great shooter, he was leading the league in 3% before his back started to stiffen up again. Gallinari ended up in NY because he refused to work out for teams outside the NY area. D'Antoni actually did not want Gallo until Isiah's report the the kid was the real deal and extremely tough for a Euro player. Still, Walsh had to convince him. He may be his Godfather, but they have not had a close relationship. You watch too many movies.
Injury prone? You hope so, don't you, so you can be right. This back issue is the first serious injury he has had. You're reaching. Stripped of the ball frequently? That is total BS. Strips are turnovers and he averages one half of one turnover per game. Read it again. One half of one turnover.
Its hard to score when you don't get the ball. Whenever the ball goes thru him, good things happen. They don't always show up in the stats. As far as being a defensive liability? I guess that is why he guards 1s, 2s, 3s, and 4s. He is not incredibly quick but he is long and smart and plays the angles well. He is also a brilliant help defender. Best on this team by a large margin. If you think he has no post up game I suggest you spend a little time "youtubing" it's all there for the uninformed. What's the teams record since he left? His basketball value goes beyond what guys like you are capable of recognizing. Next you'll tell me we need Derozan or Harden...lol
OGKnickfan
Enlightened
If you want to quote people, just hit the quote button that's next to their post, and the site will place their text in a box above yours. And actually, it's your post that ridiculous. I've been a Knick fan since about 1990, and I rarely miss a game, and, in my time watching all of his games, I have only seen Gallinari successfully execute a post up move one time. He had a runner once, and 1 dunk and 1 layup. Almost everything else has been from three, while wide open (when defended he has shot airballs and bricks). When he's tried to drive, he's usually been stripped: hist turnovers aren't high because he only averages 14 minutes per game and doesn't handle the ball often, as you yourself stated.
And the guy is injury prone. How do you ruin your back by simply falling down, relatively softly, by the way, while driving to the basket? The guy's made of glass.
As for his defense, your statement is ridiculous. First of all, he can't play the 1-4 positions, defensively; so, to say that he can is ludicrous. He might be able to play power forward and small forward, on defense, though not very well, but he definitely can't play the 1 or 2. His D is so bad, in fact that, he has been pulled out of games, on numerous occasions, as a result of the beatings he takes on the court.
And I don't even know who those guys you mentioned are, so why would I tell you anything about them? What I do know is that Gallinari stinks, and we should have gotten a big man, like Brook Lopez, or, if not, Eric Gordon or some other player that isn't injury prone or unable to perform beyond the level of a mediocre roleplayer. This was a draft rich with talent, and we blew it on D'Antoni's godson.
The sensation that watching Gallinari produces in your scrotum is not on paper, you're right. I prefer, however, to go with the stats, which aren't very impressive.
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A fan since '90?
Big deal. I have been watching them since '68. You are reaching to justify your crazy statements. Extend his minutes to 48 and he still is under 2 TOs. How many players in the entire league can say that? And yes, he can defend 1s and 2s. I have seen him do it. D'Antoni has said on numerous occasions that his defense has been a huge surprise since they had fears that he would be great. I've heard it many times that he is a strong defender (not strength-wise). I have watches numerous clips that show him handling the ball in half court and in transition. They actually envision him as a point forward along the lines of Kukoc. He did not injure his back during the SL game, contrary to what most of his detractors post. He hurt it initially in Europe before he got here. The fall exacerbated it and may have actually been a blessing. Now it can be corrected and he can start fresh as a 20 year old, which is still younger than Mayo is now.
You don't know who Tmac, Artest, Iguadala, and Josh Smith are? Jesus, man. Why the hell are you even posting here? What planet are you living on? Now its all clear....you lost ALL credibility with that one.
Big deal. I have been watching them since '68. You are reaching to justify your crazy statements. Extend his minutes to 48 and he still is under 2 TOs. How many players in the entire league can say that? And yes, he can defend 1s and 2s. I have seen him do it. D'Antoni has said on numerous occasions that his defense has been a huge surprise since they had fears that he would be great. I've heard it many times that he is a strong defender (not strength-wise). I have watches numerous clips that show him handling the ball in half court and in transition. They actually envision him as a point forward along the lines of Kukoc. He did not injure his back during the SL game, contrary to what most of his detractors post. He hurt it initially in Europe before he got here. The fall exacerbated it and may have actually been a blessing. Now it can be corrected and he can start fresh as a 20 year old, which is still younger than Mayo is now.
You don't know who Tmac, Artest, Iguadala, and Josh Smith are? Jesus, man. Why the hell are you even posting here? What planet are you living on? Now its all clear....you lost ALL credibility with that one.
OGKnickfan
Enlightened
Another a55hole on this forum.
Wow: you're a truly manipulative dickhead. I said that I wouldn't tell you anything about guys that I know nothing about, in response to this comment, by you: "Next you'll tell me we need Derozan or Harden...lol." This is the only statment where you said I'd "tell" you something. In regards to Igudola and T-Mac, you didn't assign any of your arrogantly assumed responses to me, so my reply was in regards to Derozan and Harden, who ever they happen to be.
And I don't care what D'Antoni says about his godson, because he's got a stake in covering the guy's a55: if Gallinari looks bad, he looks bad for drafting him. It's called damage control, in the PR world. You obviously don't know anything about basketball, if you think that the dynamics of playing 14 minutes are the same as playing 38 (no player really plays 48, REGULARLY, by the way, contrary to what you stated in your post). Gallinari is not trusted by the Knicks' coaching staff, he disappears, becomes a piece of furniture, unless he's open for threes. And no way he can defend anyone in this league, except for perhaps Brian Cardinal, his basketball twin. Gasol destroyed him, the other day, Maggete, before that, Richard Jefferson, Eric gordon, all had a piece of him etc., etc. One shot on a guy doesn't mean anything.
The guy's a joke, can't handle the ball well, moves in a very awkward fashion, is too weak to play the 4 and too slow to play the 3. He should go back to Italy, to play with those bums over there. Just like you, you should go back to whatever flamer forum you came from. Now kindly hop off my nuts and go jerk off to some anime, homo.
Wow: you're a truly manipulative dickhead. I said that I wouldn't tell you anything about guys that I know nothing about, in response to this comment, by you: "Next you'll tell me we need Derozan or Harden...lol." This is the only statment where you said I'd "tell" you something. In regards to Igudola and T-Mac, you didn't assign any of your arrogantly assumed responses to me, so my reply was in regards to Derozan and Harden, who ever they happen to be.
And I don't care what D'Antoni says about his godson, because he's got a stake in covering the guy's a55: if Gallinari looks bad, he looks bad for drafting him. It's called damage control, in the PR world. You obviously don't know anything about basketball, if you think that the dynamics of playing 14 minutes are the same as playing 38 (no player really plays 48, REGULARLY, by the way, contrary to what you stated in your post). Gallinari is not trusted by the Knicks' coaching staff, he disappears, becomes a piece of furniture, unless he's open for threes. And no way he can defend anyone in this league, except for perhaps Brian Cardinal, his basketball twin. Gasol destroyed him, the other day, Maggete, before that, Richard Jefferson, Eric gordon, all had a piece of him etc., etc. One shot on a guy doesn't mean anything.
The guy's a joke, can't handle the ball well, moves in a very awkward fashion, is too weak to play the 4 and too slow to play the 3. He should go back to Italy, to play with those bums over there. Just like you, you should go back to whatever flamer forum you came from. Now kindly hop off my nuts and go jerk off to some anime, homo.
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Not Getting Mayo
I am hopeful that a fully healthy Gallinari will develop into a solid player, but OGKnick Fan's negativity is not unwarranted.
An evaluation in June of 2008 -- before his back injury and on the basis of his European play -- is featured in NBADraft.net, Though the evaluation listed some real "strengths," it had the following to say about Gallinari's "weaknesses" --
"A high level European player does not always equal a contributor in the NBA. His body has ways to go before it will be on the NBA level. Athleticism and explosiveness are just average. Struggles dribbling the ball against physical defenders which hurts even more considering his blow-by ability is limited. His secondary moves off the dribble are subpar and he is often forced to shoot difficult and offbalance shots. Tends to dribble the ball high and even looks down on it as he is attacking, hurting his court vision and decision making. Has minimal elevation on his jump shot, he is more of a set shooter and his release is very robotic and lacks fluidness. His legs are stiff which makes his movements seem a bit awkward and it takes away from his quickness. While he has good height, he is strictly a perimeter player as he has minimal back to the basket moves and his weak frame also makes him a non-threat in the post. His rebounding numbers are only decent, for a player at his position, getting major minutes. They should be higher. Defensively he is a liability. He gambles too much, plays with his hands down and is undisciplined. Marginal foot speed and a weak body will leave his opponents salivating in excitement to abuse the mismatch."
I am hopeful that a fully healthy Gallinari will develop into a solid player, but OGKnick Fan's negativity is not unwarranted.
An evaluation in June of 2008 -- before his back injury and on the basis of his European play -- is featured in NBADraft.net, Though the evaluation listed some real "strengths," it had the following to say about Gallinari's "weaknesses" --
"A high level European player does not always equal a contributor in the NBA. His body has ways to go before it will be on the NBA level. Athleticism and explosiveness are just average. Struggles dribbling the ball against physical defenders which hurts even more considering his blow-by ability is limited. His secondary moves off the dribble are subpar and he is often forced to shoot difficult and offbalance shots. Tends to dribble the ball high and even looks down on it as he is attacking, hurting his court vision and decision making. Has minimal elevation on his jump shot, he is more of a set shooter and his release is very robotic and lacks fluidness. His legs are stiff which makes his movements seem a bit awkward and it takes away from his quickness. While he has good height, he is strictly a perimeter player as he has minimal back to the basket moves and his weak frame also makes him a non-threat in the post. His rebounding numbers are only decent, for a player at his position, getting major minutes. They should be higher. Defensively he is a liability. He gambles too much, plays with his hands down and is undisciplined. Marginal foot speed and a weak body will leave his opponents salivating in excitement to abuse the mismatch."
lol....
Believe what you read or what you see? His jumper is as good as it gets. I can find you any number of draft expert analysis that were very wrong. It means nothing. These guys are not gurus, they just say they are. You don't don't me but I will tell you this: I am seldom wrong about players.
BTW, the league has changed since the 90s. Oakley would be just like Haslem, Starks would be a borderline starter, and the other guys you mentioned would be nothing. Ewing is the only one that would be dominant. That WWF wrasslin' defense can't be played anymore. Players are required to be more fundamental and more intelligent if they are going to be very good. Oakley would be owned by the new PFs. Thats why when they find euro players that have heart, courage, and athleticism, they draft them. They are simply more sound in most cases.
Believe what you read or what you see? His jumper is as good as it gets. I can find you any number of draft expert analysis that were very wrong. It means nothing. These guys are not gurus, they just say they are. You don't don't me but I will tell you this: I am seldom wrong about players.
BTW, the league has changed since the 90s. Oakley would be just like Haslem, Starks would be a borderline starter, and the other guys you mentioned would be nothing. Ewing is the only one that would be dominant. That WWF wrasslin' defense can't be played anymore. Players are required to be more fundamental and more intelligent if they are going to be very good. Oakley would be owned by the new PFs. Thats why when they find euro players that have heart, courage, and athleticism, they draft them. They are simply more sound in most cases.
OJ Mayo would have been perfect in NY...and on draft night he seemed disappointing that he was drafted by a crappy team and sent to another crappy team right after....OJ wanted a good team and didnt get it unfortunately.....we then passed up on Brook Lopez which was another dumb move because every Knick fan knew that we needed big men more than anything....but Gallinari was the #1 International prospect with a great shot so he should bounce back good next year....
Saying we are back a decade....LOL....we can get a great pick this year in the lottery, sign a big name, shot blocker and this team is going to the playoffs....
Shot blocker+All star to carry this team= definite playoff spot
Saying we are back a decade....LOL....we can get a great pick this year in the lottery, sign a big name, shot blocker and this team is going to the playoffs....
Shot blocker+All star to carry this team= definite playoff spot
metrocard
Legend
Mayo doesn't need Wade...Mayo would not improve his game by sitting on the bench.
You improve as an athlete with repetition.
OJ Mayo is Memphis is a great situation for him.
Mayo is a SG.
Wade is a SG.
Both have excellent ball handling skills, thats the only PG attribute they have...in my opinion, its really foolish to have them run the offense.
metrocard
Legend
I can't be educated by someone named alphad0gz, ight dogz? :lol:
Who didn't follow last year closely? Draft was a hot topic.
Obviously you didn't if you thought we had the #8 pick.
How can you be a new dude on the site, try to challenge one of the OG's on the site, and you come at me with some weak stuff...weak stuff that makes you look like a complete fool who's hyped up to build some rep, but you completely failed.
http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_draft_history/2008.html
Knicks had the 6th pick.
We're not the Bucks, you moron.
That kills your entire arguement...just go back to whatever site you came from, you can't hang out with the top dogs in here.
Knicks had the pieces, and definitely had more value to get the 3rd pick...Walsh was way too conservative in the draft.
Like I said.
PROJECT GALLINARI STATS.
AND PROJECT MAYO STATS.
and tell me who will be better...with a solid logical projection.
Is that hard to think?
I mean, you totally fell flat on your face in your first noticeable post on this site...you could be wrong again, you're used to it, so why should it bother you in failing?
I asked you for projections, and you got insecure and ran like a little bitch.
I'm asking for it again.
I want to see how good you think Gallinari is to be better than the best player from this draft.
metrocard
Legend
Gallinari is a strong defender?
LMAO, have you seen him play post defense?
The worst I've seen since Channing Frye.
metrocard
Legend
Thats not legal or realistic.
Knicks had a realistic chance at Mayo.
and failed.
I'm not really sure what your about.
People got problems thinking...lmao.
metrocard
Legend
1st article from 2007...Its 2009 now.
OJ Mayo has grown up from his High School years, where have you guys been?
metrocard
Legend
What I'm trying to say with all the videos I've seen of Mayo interviewed(gotta go to work now, no time to search for them), he's become a grown man.
Its ignorant and illogical to bring up what he did as a teen and a child corrupted and surrounded by adversting, evil ass companies...hungry agents...and the wrong people.
Mayo has done the right thing now and has a clean record as a NBA player.
Thats a fact.
Dudes need to stop hating...especially when they sit on the computer all day doing nothing with their lives besides lurking on basketball forums 24/7...stalking dudes and telling them you have a GF without posting a pic...on some low self esteem shit.
Just stop the hate...do something credible with your life before you go on to hate on a pro athlete who has accomplished more in a span of one season than your whole worthless family combined.
Its ignorant and illogical to bring up what he did as a teen and a child corrupted and surrounded by adversting, evil ass companies...hungry agents...and the wrong people.
Mayo has done the right thing now and has a clean record as a NBA player.
Thats a fact.
Dudes need to stop hating...especially when they sit on the computer all day doing nothing with their lives besides lurking on basketball forums 24/7...stalking dudes and telling them you have a GF without posting a pic...on some low self esteem shit.
Just stop the hate...do something credible with your life before you go on to hate on a pro athlete who has accomplished more in a span of one season than your whole worthless family combined.
Oy, obviously you didn't read anything I wrote. I said he has a history of character issues, I also admitted that these are things that he MAY have fixed. I never once hated on him, I said I was wary because of his past transgressions. Just like I'd be wary of my football team signing Mike Vick or Pacman Jones. It's not that tough to stay out of trouble in Memphis, I don't know if you've ever been there but I have, and outside of Beale Street at night, there's not much to do.
Did he fix his problems? Perhaps, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a history of having them.
Most people convicted of crimes are repeat offenders, people who have been bad are more likely to relapse than are people who have squeeky clean records to have a transgression. I said there's no doubting his skill, but he does have some question marks on his character record, he's only 2 years removed from being arrested, which isn't that long.
You seem angry metro, I wonder why you seem so upset that some people don't share your opinion on OJ Mayo.
In any case, aren't I supposed to be on your ignore list, in a power move to get me off the site?