Knicks trading Calderon?

skisloper said:
Phil made zero mistake with Shump/Smith.....was the only way to get rid of Smith for next year.
Phil gambled that Calderon would be one of the pieces this season and with Bargani and Melo thought the triangle would work.....If he can not get rid of calderon then gamble really fails if he gets rid of him then no loss and he took a chance no big deal....

Will be interesting if Philly wins the #1 pick and we are #2 ....will they take Hardaway and trade picks with us...

The ONLY way to judge Phil is to see what team the Knicks put on the court next season.....and if MELO is hurt then Phil gets the blame for that as he signed a star to 5 years late in his career.....
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He gets the blame for that period, but at least it wasn't an Amar'e situation in which even Phoenix, who's known for having a tremendous medical staff, suggested not to sign him for a huge contract. Then again, did Phil Jackson want to overhaul the whole medical staff?

If we get good/great players in free agency and a great pick, and still have Calderon, is that bad? Calderon is a good PG, he may not be a good passer and efficient three point shooter like Felton, but he's not terrible.
 
RunningJumper said:
He gets the blame for that period, but at least it wasn't an Amar'e situation in which even Phoenix, who's known for having a tremendous medical staff, suggested not to sign him for a huge contract. Then again, did Phil Jackson want to overhaul the whole medical staff?

If we get good/great players in free agency and a great pick, and still have Calderon, is that bad? Calderon is a good PG, he may not be a good passer and efficient three point shooter like Felton, but he's not terrible.
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I guess if PJ never made that trade would have been able to send Chandler/Felton somewhere and get expiring contracts back as well as a first rounder.......
 
skisloper said:
I guess if PJ never made that trade would have been able to send Chandler/Felton somewhere and get expiring contracts back as well as a first rounder.......
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if he never made the trade 'maybe' the cavs would have traded for Tyson instead of Moscow... of course that is
hindsight
 
htr10 said:
C'mon man, I explained in my last post what is misleading about the Mozgov 2 1st round picks. Just look up the details, one of them can never be better than a mid to late first round and the other can be up to a #6 pick, but not for 2 drafts from now at the soonest. You guys all have imbalanced perceptions of what you can trade non-star players for because you are used to watching us give up 1st round picks for crap players. Every time you come up with an instance where someone gave away a 1st round pick, it's either us or Brooklyn.

Also, to clarify, whether Lebron tanks or not doesn't matter. The picks belong to OKC and Memphis, not that it really matters.
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Every thing u say has truth in it .. the Cavs trades were to put more wins in their column this season by adding defense in the paint & wing in Mozgov & Shump.
 
htr10 said:
I think the Knicks' ability to trade Calderon will go up immensely if a potential playoff team loses their starting PG to injury in the next few weeks. Otherwise, not sure PJ will be able to move Calderon immediately like people want. At least Calderon is healthy and his 3-point shooting and assist to TO ratio have remained strong, which is what you are mainly looking for if you are after Calderon.
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Another good point on how to trade Calderon .. being that OKC got PG-Reggie Jackson on the trading block, a playoff team in need of a PG will check with OKC first.
The way Phil been trading, we are stuck with Calderon for the next two seasons.
Calderon 3 yr $21M contract adds up to Tyson $14M, and the majority of Felton 2 yr. $9M contract.

If the Tyson trade would have improve a 37 win Knicks team to a 41 win Knicks team, than Phil trade decision on Tyson would have value, and Calderon would have value.
 
It's kinda of funny Phil actually thought Calderone was actually a "piece" of the "puzzle." Decent shooter yes when left open but too slow to get his own shot and a total liability the defensive end. Go ahead and call me a racist but this white hope crap has to stop. I went to the Bulls-Jazz game the other night and Trey Burke ran D-Rose crazy. The Wizards backcourt is top notch with Wall/Beal and Kyrie is going nuts in Cleveland. And I won't even mention the PGs out west. You don't have Jordan/Pippin Phil or even Kobe/Odom so you get away with BJ/Kerr/Fisher(yes) types in the backcourt Phil. If the big man you covet is not available Phil get us the best, most athletic PG coming out PJax on Chief


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if Phil wants to trade Calderon, he will. unfortunately that may involve dropping him for beans like he did with Junior Sh*t, but I'd think Calderon would be more in demand as a PG for a team who needs one. PJ believed not only Calderon would be a "piece" to the puzzle, but so would a healthy Bargnani, JR, Shump, Melo, etc, and there wouldn't be this ignorant "I can't solve the triangle" mentality.

Henceforth, PJ has turned to the mighty tank, and if the Knicks ping pong balls don't drop for Okafor, look for Phil to trade up in the PG dept for a younger Reggie Jackson, or Mundial in the draft.

who knows what else PJ has up his magic sleeve? at this point, it's all about the...
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jimkcchief88 said:
. Go ahead and call me a racist but this white hope crap has to stop.
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the truth aint racist... kerr and Paxton were successfully because everyone collapsed on MJ and/or pippen , leaving the guards wide open for a 2 or a 3... if they had to get their own shot... they would have been playing in Italy or Greece.. with few exception it still holds true today...

but give the white guys their due... nobody makes a better pizza or bagel...
 
Weissenberg said:
http://www.thescore.com/nba/news/674563

I don't know how to feel about that, but now rumors of PJ pursuing Dragić might be a little closer to be true.
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Why wouldn't you try and trade Calderon. Id field offers.

tiger0330 said:
I was thinking Calderon would be asking off this train wreck like Udrih did last year. His contract isn't untradeable like that article says, 7.8M/1yr I think Phil can find a taker for him if he tries and doesn't want anything back for him like a draft pick.


I would like to see him waive Bargnani. If any guy deserves to be waived it's him.
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Maybe Calderon Did ask off the ship. Bargnani getting waived, is irrelevant. his contract expires next season. No reason to waive him unless you get some discount. which I am not sure they don't have to pay him anyway. Anyone know of a legit benefit to waiving Bargnani?
htr10 said:
PJ has been tasked with the same thing Donnie Walsh was tasked with before the Summer of Lebron, which is get as many contracts off the team as possible. If he moves Calderon's contract for nothing, then the net effect of his efforts will be getting all our contracts for next season off the books except for Melo and THJ (whom were decided to be kept). You may see that he is bombing out like crazy, but if his goal was to completely turn over the roster, then he is getting done what he wanted to do. Also, the idea that any player we have traded would have ever brought us any 1st round draft picks is theoretical at best.
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I like this...jackson is doing a horrible job of building a team, but He's doing an excelent job of gutting the team, leaving them with options and potential to do really great things...or make more mistakes...but there is potential for greatness on the horizone.
I'd love to see a Calderon trade... I don't see why a team wouldn't take a flyer on Bargnani...if he was healthy, sure he's over paid, but his contact expires. A dead in the water team, entering rebuilding can trade for him to get rid of guys and start rebuilding from scratch. But unlikely the knicks would get any value from him in return. If you wanted to trade him, you could, but it would be a bad deal...unless someone really want Calderon and willing to take a half season hit of Bargnani salary.
 
If they do waive Bargnani it'll be after the trade deadline. I do expect that to happen, most in the league think he has zero trade value.

He creates a roster spot for someone like Ante for the Knicks to get an extended look at so I would waive him if you can't trade him.
 
htr10 said:
but if his goal was to completely turn over the roster, then he is getting done what he wanted to do.
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Well, there is still this massive elephant in the room if you are talking about changing the culture. He actually gave that elephant a new contract and a no-trade-clause.
 
pat said:
Well, there is still this massive elephant in the room if you are talking about changing the culture. He actually gave that elephant a new contract and a no-trade-clause.
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I respect the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but this "Blame Melo for Everthing" is old, tired, and just plain played out. Phil already said in his "Mea Culpa" to blame me, not the Coach and the players. So what should that tell you???? There is enough blame to go around when you are having a history making bad season. Not all the blame goes on one person. For once come up with some ORIGINAL thought besides beating the same old drum over, and over, and over, and over, and over, you get the idea On Chief....


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Knicks signing Galloway long term makes Calderon & Pablo being moved a lot more of a reality. Hopefully somebody inquires with an offer sending back an expiring.

I still think the knicks need to go after another defensive PG next year at a decent price (maybe Patrick Beverley) this offseason. But Galloway may prove good enough to be a starter.....you never know.
 
You have to give Galloway at least through the rest of this season to see his potential. Remember Linsanity and Kobe saying guys coming out of the blue to be stars doesn't happen in the NBA, the NBA being too well scouted. Well Kobe was right about Lin, turned out to be a journeyman ball player, playing backup PG for a bad Lakers team.

Now Knicks fans have to see about Langsanity and what happens to Galloway when he starts playing against teams a second time and they have a scouting report on him. He's 6'2" but does play bigger than his size but only has average speed which are probably the reasons he went undrafted despite a stellar college career. I'm hoping he's a star in the making but I agree with Kobe that it's unlikely.
 
haha Langsanity! there's no denying the kid is aggressive at driving, rebounding and has a good outside shot. no matter what the scouting report is, these facets will remain consistent. he's more consistent in a few games than Shumpert was for years.

let's hope Detroit takes Pablo off our hands, and Knicks find a taker for Calderone. big things could happen between now and trade deadline in a couple weeks, maybe Reggie Jackson will become the next Reggie Jackson in New York!
 
CoolClyde said:
maybe Reggie Jackson will become the next Reggie Jackson in New York!
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this is where the zen-master loses me... he guts the team, so in july what does he have to offer FA's?? the chance to play with Me-Lo??
there is no one else on the team...

if u had 2-3 'pieces', u have something to sell... as it stands now u have very little to offer (excluding the 1st rounder)... he must have a plan...he must...
 
paris401 said:
this is where the zen-master loses me... he guts the team, so in july what does he have to offer FA's?? the chance to play with Me-Lo??
there is no one else on the team...

if u had 2-3 'pieces', u have something to sell... as it stands now u have very little to offer (excluding the 1st rounder)... he must have a plan...he must...
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I figure it would be to get roleplayers (who can run the triangle) for relatively cheap (in the long run) this year with the 30 million in cap (adjusted for the new China TV deal). Then in 2016 when the knicks get another 24 million in cap space (due to the American TV deal kicking in) maybe look to find a 3rd star then as well. Then lets say he keep calderon until 2017 (a real possibility).... the knicks would have around another 16 million in cap space because the cap goes up about 8 million in 2017.

Arguably the knicks will have about 70 million in cap space over a 3 year period as long as they don't go over the cap while signing FA's. Like I know we all want to win a championship next season but sh*t we got to walk before we crawl. If phil is patient (which everything points to him being) by 2016 or 2017 the knicks could be legit contenders. Fixing almost 15 years of franchise rot in about 4 seasons would be a really good job in my mind.
 
Wargames said:
. If phil is patient (which everything points to him being) by 2016 or 2017 the knicks could be legit contenders. Fixing almost 15 years of franchise rot in about 4 seasons would be a really good job in my mind.
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maybe u are correct... but we are not the only guys that will have spare change in their pockets this and next off season.. phil has to contend with the home teams $$$ advantage, as well as other teams with better rosters...ready to win... or step up to the next level...
 
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