Mozgov should be getting consistent minutes..

So what is wrong with a being a women or a special needs child? Those are some pretty ignorant statements.

You want to diss people how about using actually words that are degrading like idiot, hypocrite, and other colorful words.

A man acting like a woman? Thats bad.

Nothing wrong with being a special needs child. It just takes patience in dealing with them.

Why so sensitive???
 

iSaYughh

Starter
Donkeylips mongoloid lickin mother****er is a good one. :thumbsup:

And I hate to stick up for one, lolll, but Blas...Some derivation of the word 'fag' gets passed around more often than a bong at a crackhouse. And with more vicious intent than a mild hurling of calling someone a bitch/woman, or a special needs person (aka idiot, slow to the gun, challenged in some way).

Women should be thankful their right to vote didn't come with our right to a medium-rare t-bone every night at 8.
 

KingCharles34

All Star
haha comedy :lol:

I agree with the TS Mozgov should get consistent minutes but how many? Like its been pointed out several times already, the pistons were without a real center. 23 and 14 is still very impressive, i do believe in time he can consistently put up good numbers and contribute while battling against real centers. We might be in for a letdown tonight but that dont mean give up on Mozgov, and that Mozgov should give up on himself. Hes come a long ways and it appears that we at least have a center that can contribute aside from the often injured Turiaf
 
haha comedy :lol:

I agree with the TS Mozgov should get consistent minutes but how many? Like its been pointed out several times already, the pistons were without a real center. 23 and 14 is still very impressive, i do believe in time he can consistently put up good numbers and contribute while battling against real centers. We might be in for a letdown tonight but that dont mean give up on Mozgov, and that Mozgov should give up on himself. Hes come a long ways and it appears that we at least have a center that can contribute aside from the often injured Turiaf

Him being able to contribute is all this thread is about. Some of these guys want him to be a perennially allstar before he gets some PT.
 

Blas

Benchwarmer
OK. The sensitivity is getting to be a bit much. I'm guessing you're personally affected by one of my statements. If so I'd like to apologize. My prayers go out to you, and I hope things work out for the best...

You don't need to apologize because you did not offend me. Like I said I just stated a fact that those statements were ignorant. All I wanted you to do was explain what you meant.

Still, you didn't explain what has wrong with being a woman, and you said there was nothing wrong with being a special needs child yet you clearly use it as something derogatory.

That is your problem C&P. I stated a FACT and you still felt the need to wiggle around it.

You could have accepted that you said some ignorant statements and even said 'so what?'

That is what a majority of your posts are like. You fip-flop to support your anti-D'antoni, anit-SSOL, etc campaign to make it fit your points. You rarely put anything credible up to support those points and you just echo sentiments of Red, Kiyaman, and others who themselves rarely put up anything credible.

We hear you C&P and you aren't teaching anyone, you are just spewing anything in your posts to try and get your point across.

Not only that but you shamelessly bump and quote your own posts right after you post them to get even more attention.

Put something worth writing in your posts.

Heck even watching Metrocard, Trillion, and others going at it is worth more then your words because at least it provides entertainment.
 

KBlack25

Starter
You don't need to apologize because you did not offend me. Like I said I just stated a fact that those statements were ignorant. All I wanted you to do was explain what you meant.

Still, you didn't explain what has wrong with being a woman, and you said there was nothing wrong with being a special needs child yet you clearly use it as something derogatory.

That is your problem C&P. I stated a FACT and you still felt the need to wiggle around it.

You could have accepted that you said some ignorant statements and even said 'so what?'

That is what a majority of your posts are like. You fip-flop to support your anti-D'antoni, anit-SSOL, etc campaign to make it fit your points. You rarely put anything credible up to support those points and you just echo sentiments of Red, Kiyaman, and others who themselves rarely put up anything credible.

We hear you C&P and you aren't teaching anyone, you are just spewing anything in your posts to try and get your point across.

Not only that but you shamelessly bump and quote your own posts right after you post them to get even more attention.

Put something worth writing in your posts.

Heck even watching Metrocard, Trillion, and others going at it is worth more then your words because at least it provides entertainment.

Spot on accurate analysis of the situation.
 
You don't need to apologize because you did not offend me. Like I said I just stated a fact that those statements were ignorant. All I wanted you to do was explain what you meant.

Still, you didn't explain what has wrong with being a woman, and you said there was nothing wrong with being a special needs child yet you clearly use it as something derogatory.

That is your problem C&P. I stated a FACT and you still felt the need to wiggle around it.

You could have accepted that you said some ignorant statements and even said 'so what?'

That is what a majority of your posts are like. You fip-flop to support your anti-D'antoni, anit-SSOL, etc campaign to make it fit your points. You rarely put anything credible up to support those points and you just echo sentiments of Red, Kiyaman, and others who themselves rarely put up anything credible.

We hear you C&P and you aren't teaching anyone, you are just spewing anything in your posts to try and get your point across.

Not only that but you shamelessly bump and quote your own posts right after you post them to get even more attention.

Put something worth writing in your posts.

Heck even watching Metrocard, Trillion, and others going at it is worth more then your words because at least it provides entertainment.

Again I'm sorry you got so offended. Yes it was obvious.

My facts are all over this thread. I cant help if you dont believe what your coach says. I cant help if you cant see his track record. Do some research. Hint. Check some of his players PT. These things are obvious.

I havent flip flopped. Its your understanding thats lacking.

The only reason I'm not teaching you guys is (let me be gentle here) because you are slow and dont want to learn. Man I hope you dont come at me with whats wrong with being slow. CHUCKLES.

I'm not here to entertain. Sorry to disappoint you. Its a message board. A Knicks message board. I'm here to talk Knicks and voice my likes and dislikes.

The only reason I bumped threads was because Toons asked me to. I'm not seeking attention.

Peace...
 
You don't need to apologize because you did not offend me. Like I said I just stated a fact that those statements were ignorant. All I wanted you to do was explain what you meant.

Still, you didn't explain what has wrong with being a woman, and you said there was nothing wrong with being a special needs child yet you clearly use it as something derogatory.

That is your problem C&P. I stated a FACT and you still felt the need to wiggle around it.

You could have accepted that you said some ignorant statements and even said 'so what?'

That is what a majority of your posts are like. You fip-flop to support your anti-D'antoni, anit-SSOL, etc campaign to make it fit your points. You rarely put anything credible up to support those points and you just echo sentiments of Red, Kiyaman, and others who themselves rarely put up anything credible.

We hear you C&P and you aren't teaching anyone, you are just spewing anything in your posts to try and get your point across.

Not only that but you shamelessly bump and quote your own posts right after you post them to get even more attention.

Put something worth writing in your posts.

Heck even watching Metrocard, Trillion, and others going at it is worth more then your words because at least it provides entertainment.

Oh, you being so sensitive I expected you to say "Thank You" for apologizing, but you didnt offend me...
 

MusketeerX

Rotation player
D'Antoni is good for winning games, but not play-off series. He is a stubborn mule when it comes to coaching and it is why the Knicks will only win another championship if they have another coach.

He stifled Mozgov and Randolph's development by keeping both of them on the bench, while we were getting out rebounded and losing games. Sure, their lack of experience would have lost us some games, but it would have also won us some games; and, by playing them, we would have had two more valuable trade pieces or perhaps two key guys to the rotation.

Instead he plays Amar'e 40 minutes a game, Felton 40 minutes a game, and expects them to keep up the MVP and All-Star pace they had developed all year 'round. We will be spent come play-off time, which is provided Amar'e can stay healthy enough to make it til then.

D'Antoni's style is all about short-term goals. It will win you games, but it will not let you reach your max potential as a team. D'Antoni right now is riding the high horse because he was lucky enough to get a player that turned into MVP material, a point-guard who turned into all-star material, and a diamond in the rough in Landry Fields.

But, you can already see his style wearing on the players. Felton is shooting poorly; Chandler is shooting poorly; Gallinari was shooting poorly, until he had two weeks off due to injury.

You win championships on defense and rebounding... the Knicks do neither. If you look at the last ten years worth of championship teams -- all of them were in top 10 in NBA; and all but 1 of those 10 were top three...

Mozgov is needed. 15-20 minutes a game, even if he's not producing -- because you need to get his confidence up and you need him to learn how to play in games... not just practice.

Eventually he'll get the hang of it and you can raise his minutes. most importantly, however, is it saves Amar'e from going up against the biggest guy on the floor every night, saving his knees and health.
 
D'Antoni is good for winning games, but not play-off series. He is a stubborn mule when it comes to coaching and it is why the Knicks will only win another championship if they have another coach.

He stifled Mozgov and Randolph's development by keeping both of them on the bench, while we were getting out rebounded and losing games. Sure, their lack of experience would have lost us some games, but it would have also won us some games; and, by playing them, we would have had two more valuable trade pieces or perhaps two key guys to the rotation.

Instead he plays Amar'e 40 minutes a game, Felton 40 minutes a game, and expects them to keep up the MVP and All-Star pace they had developed all year 'round. We will be spent come play-off time, which is provided Amar'e can stay healthy enough to make it til then.

D'Antoni's style is all about short-term goals. It will win you games, but it will not let you reach your max potential as a team. D'Antoni right now is riding the high horse because he was lucky enough to get a player that turned into MVP material, a point-guard who turned into all-star material, and a diamond in the rough in Landry Fields.

But, you can already see his style wearing on the players. Felton is shooting poorly; Chandler is shooting poorly; Gallinari was shooting poorly, until he had two weeks off due to injury.

You win championships on defense and rebounding... the Knicks do neither. If you look at the last ten years worth of championship teams -- all of them were in top 10 in NBA; and all but 1 of those 10 were top three...

Mozgov is needed. 15-20 minutes a game, even if he's not producing -- because you need to get his confidence up and you need him to learn how to play in games... not just practice.

Eventually he'll get the hang of it and you can raise his minutes. most importantly, however, is it saves Amar'e from going up against the biggest guy on the floor every night, saving his knees and health.

All excellent points. All valid points. All points have been mentioned, but your summation was perfect. Hopefully it'll hit home with the naysayers...
 

Toons

is the Bo$$
D'Antoni is good for winning games, but not play-off series. He is a stubborn mule when it comes to coaching and it is why the Knicks will only win another championship if they have another coach.

ok Miss cleo, who is he being stubborn against? fans? do you remember when he said he had to change his style to more of a triangle offense? to me, thats not being stubborn, thats tailoring a game toward your strengths

He stifled Mozgov and Randolph's development by keeping both of them on the bench, while we were getting out rebounded and losing games. Sure, their lack of experience would have lost us some games, but it would have also won us some games; and, by playing them, we would have had two more valuable trade pieces or perhaps two key guys to the rotation.

Mozgov started centre all for the first part of the season....why do people ignore the facts? The proof is in the pudding, benching Moz was the best for him. He got a change to learn more english, to learn the system etc. keep in mind there are many differences between euroball and the nba. Saying it would have lost us games, and may have won us games is pure speculation.

Instead he plays Amar'e 40 minutes a game, Felton 40 minutes a game, and expects them to keep up the MVP and All-Star pace they had developed all year 'round. We will be spent come play-off time, which is provided Amar'e can stay healthy enough to make it til then.

its difficult when youre trying to win games, to yank your best players to give rookies experience. Is dantoni also stifling andy rautins growth? if so, why is no one complaining? or would everyone make a big fuss when he comes out and is a lights out shooter?

D'Antoni's style is all about short-term goals. It will win you games, but it will not let you reach your max potential as a team. D'Antoni right now is riding the high horse because he was lucky enough to get a player that turned into MVP material, a point-guard who turned into all-star material, and a diamond in the rough in Landry Fields.

IMO his systems brings the best out of a player, again, the proof is there. Look at nash predantoni, and nash post dantoni, look at all of his players before during and after. Find facts to support your arguemnt. Lucky? sounds like dantoni is a player and a coach. You work with what you have. He played small ball in phx because diaw was their centre. Phx had the 7 foot steven hunter, 6'11' marciej lampe, 6'11 jake voskul and 6'10 jackson vroman. They all got minimal time on the floor because they suck. not because dantoni hates bigs, but because they suck. Mozgov sucked early on, but now he doesnt, therefore he gets burn.

But, you can already see his style wearing on the players. Felton is shooting poorly; Chandler is shooting poorly; Gallinari was shooting poorly, until he had two weeks off due to injury.

You win championships on defense and rebounding... the Knicks do neither. If you look at the last ten years worth of championship teams -- all of them were in top 10 in NBA; and all but 1 of those 10 were top three...

we are not that bad of a defensive team, just because we dont play halfcourt ball. We are 16th in defensive ratings according to nba.com. thats a huge improvement from last year.

Mozgov is needed. 15-20 minutes a game, even if he's not producing -- because you need to get his confidence up and you need him to learn how to play in games... not just practice.

if he's not producing, bench him.

Eventually he'll get the hang of it and you can raise his minutes. most importantly, however, is it saves Amar'e from going up against the biggest guy on the floor every night, saving his knees and health.

isnt that what the coach is doing now
?
 
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