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The Clips are going to resign Jordan to a 5 yr deal for $65M to $75M .. Jordan will be happy not to relocate plus stay teammates with CP3 & Griffin.
13-15M would be a great deal for the Clips but he's looking for a 20M/5yr deal, says he won't be greedy and sign a 1 year deal so he can get 30M when the cap explodes.

Ballmer's got the dough and is willing to spend it, his bird rights are crucial, they can go over the cap to re-sign him but would have only 15M to sign someone else if they relinquish him and Crawford per Broadway.
 
It look like the Washington Wizards are the only CONTENDERS in the EC .. 4-0 sweep over Raptors
The Hawks cant win in Brooklyn .. tied series 2-2
The Bulls are getting beat at their own defensive-game on the road n at home .. Bulls 3-2 lead
The Cavs shouldve never let Keven Love know this will be his last season in Cleveland .. 4-0 sweep over Celtricks

The ex-Championship Spurs are one win away from 2nd round .. Spurs lead Clips 3-2
The Memphis Grizz are one win away from 2nd round .. Grizz lead Blazers 3-1
The Houston Rockets had no problems beating Mavs in 1st round .. 4-1
The GS Warriors were to much for the young Pelicans .. 4-0 sweep over Pelicans

What coach may lose his job after his team lose in the playoffs???
 
Clips will probably sign him because they have his bird rights but I agree with an article I read on Bleacher Reports that signing him to a max contract would be a mistake. The guy has too many holes in his game.


How big of a mistake would it be when the cap explodes the following yr of his potential Max Deal and they have a team closer to contention? Maybe for a team with an empty cupboard it would be risky not so much for the Clippers. For the record CP3 has never been past the second round so why did the Clips give him Max money? Every player has weaknesses even great players.

Heck he almost won DPOY this yr and more than likely wins it next yr barring no major injury and he's entering prime.
 
Here's the article on Deandre. Clips could take his max deal and get two good players or a two way max big like Chris Bosh instead of Deandre.


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WhenDeAndreJordancrashes into next summer with a diametric combination of awesome physical ability and clear-as-day offensive limitations, the Los Angeles Clippers center will be one of the most sought after unrestricted free agents on the open market.
At least one of the NBA's 30 teams (including the Clippers) will most likely lob a maximum contract in his direction. Wondering whether the flawed but effective big man will receive a huge offer is a waste of time. Jordan is a clear-cut starter with playoff experience and Defensive Player of the Year potential. He?ll finish the 2014-15 season with seven years of experience under his belt, and he will still be three years away from his 30th birthday.
Despite heavy odds against him ever making a single All-Star game throughout his entire career (and not being one of the three most valuable players on his own team last season, depending on where you stand with 2014 Sixth Man of the Year winner Jamal Crawford), cap space will be aplenty for several franchises that view him as a significant draw at a decisive position.
He?ll get paid. The more important question worth asking, then, is: Does he deserve it?
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Jordan?s goatee droops nearly seven feet off the floor. He turns sure layups into hesitant floaters then dissolves the ball in midair, often summoning a soft prayer out of opposing guards as they drive towards the basket.
He made quite a few strides last season, but one statistic stands out above the rest. It isn?t the 1,114 rebounds or 67.6 percent shooting from the floor?and both certainly qualify as ?impressive,? being that they led the entire league.
No. What matters most is more difficult to measure. Jordan missed zero games over the past two seasons but was on the floor 860 more minutes last year than the one before. The Clippers finally believe in Jordan. He averaged 5.0 minutes per fourth quarter in 2012-13 (10th on the team), and 7.5 minutes per fourth quarter in 2013-14 (good for fifth).
The 2.5-minute boost is hugely significant; tangible evidence of a player coming into his own on a championship contender. Jordan was once viewed as a gross liability thanks to porous free-throw shooting and lapses on defense. He couldn't be counted on to stay on the floor in a tight spot.
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Fourth quarter minutes obviously can't tell the whole picture, though. Jordan put up numbers and wowed the audience on a nightly basis with some of the most impressive dunks hammered home since DVR was invented. But an unquantifiable chunk of his performance is the direct result of the environment he?s set in. His fundamental weaknesses aren't getting better.
Jordan runs the floor, sucks help-defenders into the paint on pick-and-rolls and makes good use of his hands above the rim. His screens are made of granite, and he has great timing on cuts into open space.
As far as offense goes, that?s about all Jordan can do. Is it enough punch to rationalize a max contract, even if it comes with top-notch rebounding, quality rim protection and serviceable pick-and-roll defense?
Not really. Jordan is relatively young but has already banged his head against his offensive ceiling. We know he?ll never be a legitimate back-to-the-basket threat, have the ability to take his man off the dribble or space the floor with a threatening face-up game. It?s tough to imagine him ever becoming a 50 percent free-throw shooter (if that): Jordan is a career 42.5 percent shooter from the charity stripe and finished 41.1 percent over the past two seasons.
Even though Jordan doesn?t deserve a max deal, his value to L.A. is different than it would be on another team. Mobile big men who anchor successful defenses (the Clippers were top-10 in defensive rating both overall and with Jordan on the court last season) do not grow on trees. They?re extremely valuable commodities. As CBSSports.com?s Zach Harper points out here:
In 2013-14, the Clippers gave up a slightly lower percentage in the restricted area when Jordan was on the floor, but they also gave up 3.0 percent fewer shot attempts in the paint with DeAndre patrolling the key. His athleticism wasn't just a highlight factory anymore; he was actually a deterrent at the rim and he got better as the season went along. The Clippers with Jordan on the court after the All-Star break protected the restricted area 4.7 percent better than they had with Jordan on the court prior to the break.
But Jordan?s shortcomings (shot attempts beyond three feet of the rim are an absolute horror show) and looming price tag create a tricky situation. Blake Griffin and Chris Paul are both signed through the next three seasons before they can opt out in July 2017. The franchise's duo isn?t going anywhere. Cementing Jordan as the third wheel with a five-year deal worth 30 percent of the 2015-16 salary cap would prevent the team from adding more useful two-way pieces.
It would restrict their depth and severely hinder their ability to build a championship roster.
If lead decision-maker Doc Rivers feels he can use that money elsewhere?behind new ownership, Rivers as the coach, two of the league?s 10 best players already in place and a sun-tanned backdrop, perhaps no destination for free agents is more attractive than the Clippers right now?Jordan will sign a four-year max deal with another team (the New York Knicks, Dallas Mavericks and Los Angeles Lakers immediately come to mind), and succumb to a dramatic and overwhelming increase in responsibility.
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If he?s removed from Rivers? cocoon or stuck in an offense thatisn?t run by the best point guard in the world (the pick-and-roll?s Picasso), it?s difficult to picture Jordan widening his repertoire on both ends?or even finely tuning the skills he already has.
Even though Jordan?s position, age and clear strengths (defense and rebounding) equate to him receiving a maximum contract, whichever team actually pays it (again, including the Clippers) will come to regret the decision.

All statistics are courtesy of Basketball-Reference.com or NBA.com unless otherwise noted.
Michael Pina covers the NBA for Bleacher Report, Sports on Earth, FOX Sports, ESPN, Grantland and elsewhere. Follow him on Twitter @MichaelVPina.

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Chris Bosh signed a Max deal with Miami....Clippers have no shot at him and CB would expose them defensively. Clippers are already a near contending team with Jordan, it simply comes down to draws and match-ups first round. Only another piece or two is needed primarily bench depth. They like other teams will have cap flexibility in the near future when it jumps from $67-68 to $88-90mil in 2yrs more than likely.

The Clippers also won Game 4 in San Antonio...by nearly 10pts, Jordan went 0-4 from the FTA that game. There's a clear trend in Clippers wins and losses and it doesn't have to do with Jordan's free throws.
 
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I didn't mean CB literally just someone with the same skill set. Doc may have to rethink the Deandre love if the Clips don't get out of the first round and reconsider hamstringing the Clips with 3 max contracts with no WC finals appearance to show for it.
 
I didn't mean CB literally just someone with the same skill set. Doc may have to rethink the Deandre love if the Clips don't get out of the first round and reconsider hamstringing the Clips with 3 max contracts with no WC finals appearance to show for it.


They may have $15mil in cap space or more after giving Jordan his deal the year after, depending on what they do in the in between time. So are you seeing a problem adding talent to the core with that kind of spending money?

The Clippers go as CP3 goes...if he's passive aggressive, they'll lose even if Jordan hits free throws. If he plays like an Alphadog(like he should) great chance they win.
 
Not saying that they can't add talent if they have 15M to spend but a loss tonight in SA would mean a first round exit where the Spurs beat you handily 4-2 in the series and your team was healthy.

With a first round exit you have to question and reevaluate your roster and ask yourself do you want to spend a 100M and commit to him for 5 more years or go in a different direction when you can.
 
Not saying that they can't add talent if they have 15M to spend but a loss tonight in SA would mean a first round exit where the Spurs beat you handily 4-2 in the series and your team was healthy.

With a first round exit you have to question and reevaluate your roster and ask yourself do you want to spend a 100M and commit to him for 5 more years or go in a different direction when you can.


They don't have enough flexibility to change course when they're already thin in the frontcourt and bench depth with maybe $15mil in the cut at best.

Hawes/Baby/Hedo is really a pathetic frontcourt next to Blake SANS Jordan

You have to weigh your best case against worse case. In the Clippers case they are closer to being there with him than without. Clippers 2015 and 2017 1st rounders are going to Celtics and Bucks so there goes flexibility there to trade for help.

And once again who can they sign(that's available) who's Boshlike for $15mil while losing Jordan and possibly Crawford(decline his TO for cap space) that makes up what they bring to their team?


Jordan is probably gonna get $80mil not $100mil. Not in case Cuban wants to go there at that price. Like I said if they lose Jordan and he stays in the West it makes his loss more difficult to stomach because not only do you have to cover his loss, you also have to cover it to the degree of the competitor's gain.
 
You're a better GM than I am and if he's willing to sign for 80M I think he's worth it. My reservation is signing him to a max contract of over 100M for a guy that you have to sit in big games, has never been an all-star and may seem as good as he is because he plays with one of the best PnR PGs in the NBA.

A lot is riding on tonights game, lose and the Clips have some serious decisions to make about their roster, winning and going to the second round and beyond will be a solid endorsement for signing him to that max deal DJ wants.
 
You're a better GM than I am and if he's willing to sign for 80M I think he's worth it. My reservation is signing him to a max contract of over 100M for a guy that you have to sit in big games, has never been an all-star and may seem as good as he is because he plays with one of the best PnR PGs in the NBA.

A lot is riding on tonights game, lose and the Clips have some serious decisions to make about their roster, winning and going to the second round and beyond will be a solid endorsement for signing him to that max deal DJ wants.


Going off rough estimate of projected salary cap next yr at $68mil, Jordan's max from clips will pretty much look like this on 5yrs. Similar to Monroe's Max except higher raises and additional 1yr.

$16.5
$17.5(yr cap explodes)
$18.5(cap explodes again)
$19.5
$20.5

Here's the article about the cap exploding


At this week's NBA Board of Governors meetings in New York, teams were advised ‎that the league's salary cap could rise past the $100 million mark as soon as the 2017-18 season, according to league sources.

To put it into perspective, the largest salary-cap jump in history is $7 million in one season.Sources told ESPN.com that based on current projections, league officials expect the salary cap to increase from its current $63.1 million figure to $67.1 million next season, $89 million in 2016-17 and $108 million in 2017-18. The jumps represent massive increases triggered largely by the influx of television money that will begin pouring in after the 2015-16 season, when the NBA's new nine-year, $24 billion TV deal kicks in.

‎Sources say the league, though, has been careful to stress to its teams that these are not mere projections but are also contingent on the NBA and its players avoiding a work stoppage after the 2016-17 season. Both sides have the right to opt out of the current labor agreement by Dec. 15, 2016.

NBA teams were informed Thursday of the latest salary-cap forecasts as well as ‎projected jumps in the luxury tax threshold from its current figure of $76.8 million to $81.6 million next season, $108 million in 2016-17 and $127 million in 2017-18, sources said.

In subsequent years, sources said, league officials are projecting a slight decrease in the cap, down to $100 million in 2018-19 (with ‎a $121 million tax line), $102 million in 2019-20 (with a $124 million tax line) and $107 million in 2020-21 with a $130 million tax line.

Last month, the NBA announced that the players' union had formally rejected a so-called "cap-smoothing" proposal that would have paid players the same 51 percent of basketball-related income they get under the current collective bargaining agreement while artificially lowering the cap over several years to prevent a big spike -- which would dramatically raise salary levels for free agents that season -- and would phase in the increase over several years.

The league suggested that the difference be given to the union in a lump sum and divided evenly among all players so instead of a few free agents benefiting in 2016, all players would get a smaller piece of the TV rights deal increase. But National Basketball Players Association executive director Michele Roberts believed long term it would not be a benefit to the players, so the union rejected the proposal.
 
Thanks for breaking this down Broadway. Found the below article that says even if you think DJ isn't worth the max the Clips have no choice but to give him a max contract, if they let him go they'll only have 5.6M to to get a replacement player and thats if they decline Crawfords and Barnes team options. He's a pretty good player to get stuck with but he needs to improve his FT shooting to at least 60% imo.

There's also a report that he's leaking word that he would be interested in going to Dallas so he's you can forget about him taking less money with the Clips, he's playing this contract like when he signed that offer sheet from the Warriors and the Clips had to match.


The contract year can often be a dubious one for front offices. With one season largely determining the next payday, players often find the motivation to come into training camp in shape and post career years. Teams must be smart enough to gauge whether this was a legitimate step forward in the player's development, or if after getting paid they'll regress to back to their career averages (Trevor Ariza is the prime example of contract year misnomer).

This season, in a contract year, DeAndre Jordan has played the best basketball of his life. For the season the Clippers' big center is putting up 11.4 points per game while snaring 14.9 rebounds, blocking 2.2 shots, and dunking shooting 70.7% from the field. Even these numbers don't give DeAndre enough justice for how outstanding of a season he's having, especially taking into account how he massively upped his game when Blake Griffin was sidelined with a staph infection. Since February 8th, DeAndre's been putting up 13.3 points, 17.4 rebounds, and 1.9 blocks per game, all while anchoring the 7th best defense in the league since the All-Star break. While Jordan hasn't been quite the DPOY, despite however much Doc may repeat it, he has established himself undoubtedly as a plus defender and elite rim protector. However the most important number may be consecutive games played for DJ, holder of the longest streak in the NBA, because Jordan is an ironman and simply doesn't get injured.

There are plenty of other statistics that could be cited to show exactly how great of a season DeAndre is having, but more importantly, looking at his growth under Doc Rivers, these advances don't seem like flukes. All of this is to say that with the way DJ has performed this season, and taking into account the salary cap is going to jump in the summer of 2016 with the new media revenue coming in and gobs of team will have huge cap space this offseason and teams often overpay big men, someone is going to throw DeAndre a max offer sheet. The question becomes if the Clippers will match it.

If the Clippers let DJ walk, under the rules of the salary cap they would only have about 5.6 million to find a replacement

The answer: Without a doubt YES. Regardless of whether or not you think Jordan is truly worth a max contract in the NBA, if the Clippers let DJ walk, under the rules of the salary cap they would only have about 5.6 million to find a replacement. In order to get to that 5.6 million, the Clippers would also have to decline their team options on Jamal Crawford and Matt Barnes. Besides losing two of their core rotation players this season, it would be impossible for the Clippers to find an adequate replacement for DeAndre even with using all of their 5.6 million in cap room. Zach Lowe once floated a theory that the Clipper could let Jordan walk in order to open up enough cap space to make a run at Durant in the summer of 2016. However that theory rested on the Clippers being able to plug in Spenser Hawes as a DJ stop gap replacement for a year and remain competitive. After Hawes's performance this season, that's an impossibility. I doubt the Clippers are keen on wasting a year of Chris Paul's declining prime in order to gamble on an uncertain future with a potentially injury prone superstar.

Adding DJ's max contract means the Clippers will not have the full MLE next year

This is all to say that DeAndre Jordan will almost certainly be receiving a max contract from the Clippers this summer. Now the question becomes what will that do to the rest of the Clippers financial prospects. The projected salary cap for next year is about $67.4 million, meaning the luxury tax line will be at about $82 million and the apron $86 million. A 5-year max contract for DJ with 7.5% raises in between will total about $110 million over five years, with the first year starting at approximately $19 million. Adding DJ's max contract means the Clippers will not have the non-taxpayer (or full) MLE next year. Even if the Clippers were to minimize payroll as much as possible, meaning cutting Jamal and Barnes and filling the roster with 6 vet minimum players, with DJ's max contract they would end up with a team salary of about $82.7 million. In order to use the full MLE, a team must be able to remain under the apron for the whole year. For those that don't know, the apron is the hard cap imposed on teams that use the bi-annual exception or the non-taxpayer mid-level exception or receive a player in a sign-and-trade; being a hard cap, the team may not exceed that at any point during the year. The Clippers have been hard-capped the past two years for using the non-taxpayer MLE and this season also the BAE. At $82.7 million, the Clippers would only be about $3.3 million under the apron, meaning they would only have that much of the non-taxpayer MLE to use instead of its full $5.464 million, as well as no flexibility.

The taxpayer MLE, which does not impose the hard cap on the Clippers to stay below the apron, for next year is 3.376 million, about the same amount as they would have with the full MLE, except without the apron complications. While not having the full MLE takes away a big weapon in the Clippers' free agency arsenal, ultimately no player coming in for the full MLE would be worth losing DJ. In addition, if DJ did walk, the Clippers would really only have the full MLE to spend on his replacement, as well as plug other holes, so the taxpayer MLE is not that bad of a tradeoff. This taxpayer MLE will be the Clippers only real way outside of veteran minimum contracts to sign free agents this offseason, so hopefully Doc will make it count.

Other possibilities that could occur regarding DJ this offseason are the chance he takes a friendly discount to stay with the Clippers, unlikely considering athletes rarely ever leave millions of dollars on the table, especially when signing their first max contract. DeAndre could elect to sign a one year deal with a player's option for the second year. This would set him up to sign another max contract with the Clippers in the summer of 2016 when the cap, and max contracts, are set to jump. While this is certainly a possibility that shouldn't be ignored, guaranteed money is very tempting in a profession where your career can change in an instant (see Wesley Matthews). Finally, if Jordan really wants to leave for another team, the Clippers could pursue a sign and trade in order to try and recoup something instead of nothing.

One other possible situation that could change things for the Clippers cap wise if there are any sudden jumps in the cap projections, though that possibility seems less likely as the Players Association is against the smoothing idea. All these cap numbers are obviously estimates and some things could change when the real numbers come out like they do most seasons, but overall the Clippers financial flexibility with a max DJ shouldn't really be affected.

Signing DJ to a max contract may seem like a precarious situation for the Clippers, but one that is unavoidable. There is simply no real benefit in losing DeAndre because of the salary cap, so the Clippers will have to pay him what he wants. The real steal for the Clippers may be locking Jordan up to a max contract before the salary cap jumps. In 2016, the salary cap could rise over $90 million, meaning a max contract for DeAndre then could start at about $27.3 million. Even the most conservative estimates for the jump in salary cap, projecting a $78 million dollar cap, would put DeAndre's starting salary at about $21.9 million. Ultimately by locking up Jordan at the max this offseason, the Clippers will be getting a good deal.

A couple other salary cap notes:

If anyone who doesn't know about the salary cap was interested in how the Clippers can go over the salary cap to resign Jordan to a max, that's because of something called Bird Rights, which allow teams to exceed the salary cap in order to resign their own players. There are different level of Bird Rights, with full Bird Rights, early Bird Rights, and non-Bird rights (these terms are also referred to as qualifying veteran free agents and early qualifying free agents in other contexts like in the CBA). The different level of Bird Rights allow a team to resign their players at different amounts. With full Bird Rights, as with DJ, the Clippers can offer a max contract, with early Bird Rights it's the greater of the average NBA salary or 175% of the player's previous salary, and with non-Bird Rights it's the greater of 120% of the player's previous salary or the minimum salary.

In reference to Bird Rights, the Clippers have Bird Rights to Austin Rivers because they acquired him by way of trade from the Celtics. However, with Doogie, there exists an exception to his Bird Rights associated with his rookie contract (this was wisely pointed out by Bolts in a previous comments section, I'm just repeating it for others). Because the Pelicans declined the 4th year rookie option on Rivers's contract, the first year offer the Clippers could give Austin by way of Bird Rights is restricted to his previous option. This means the Clippers can offer Austin a maximum of $3,110,796 next year, a figure that is likely greater than or equal to his market value. As the Clippers are already beyond the full MLE, they may as well reunite the Little Rivers Band next year, at some number equal to or below that figure.
 
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The article was correct on contract. I forgot Jordan has been in the league longer than Monroe. So his Max is 30% while Monroe's is 25% thus modifying the numbers DJ's contract would look more like this....

$19.5mil
$21.0mil
$23.0mil
$24.5mil
$26.0mil

$114mil total, I say he gets $90-95mil. I think Doc will discuss with him having some financial flexibility and leaving some money on the table maybe for Lux Tax purposes next yr. They will need to strike next yr for a chip if they don't get it done this yr. They need to add another piece.

I don't think he'll have full max value in the end(I agree with you in that his value should suggest something less than Max) but if it comes down to the Clippers paying him because market says otherwise they will pay him the money and justifiably so. The article you posted points out what I've been saying in my previous posts. They don't have enough flexibility to just let him leave and make up the difference. Not sure a competitor would entertain S&Ts options either. They have to sign him to whatever price retains him.
 
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Dunleavy on fire, Bulls jumped all over the Bucks. They are moving the ball making it hard for the Bucks to close out on the shots
 
When it rains it pours, Bulls are crushing the Bucks and the Greek Freak in frustration that Dunleavy is lighting them up runs into Dunleavy for a flagrant 2 and an ejection.
 
Not saying that they can't add talent if they have 15M to spend but a loss tonight in SA would mean a first round exit where the Spurs beat you handily 4-2 in the series and your team was healthy.

With a first round exit you have to question and reevaluate your roster and ask yourself do you want to spend a 100M and commit to him for 5 more years or go in a different direction when you can.
Clips going back to LA for game 7 putting off the cries of BREAK UP THE CLIPPERS until Saturday. The Clips weren't perfect but they got the job done tonight.
 
Wow, Bulls stepped up huge last night when it mattered. Hard to believe that the coach of a team that does that is on the hot seat. Now the Bulls get a ripe matchup against a Cavs team without Love, and for 2 games, JR Smith. East could not be more wide open.
 
Rose vs Irving, Butler vs LeBron, Gasol vs Mosgov... I think the Bulls might have the edge at this point, although once LBJ turns it on, is there really any stopping him?

nice to see CP3 lead the Clips to a game 7 in LA. would like to see them advance over aging champs, and have them face Rockets.

Brooklyn's got their backs up against the wall tonite, think they can take it to game 7? only if DWill has another career game, but i don't think he's got it in him anymore.

Memphis vs GS is intriguing, but Grizzlies without Conley (face plates!) does not bode well against league MVP.

all in all, looking forward to round 1 ending already, and round 2 getting under way.
 
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