Official Trade Rumors Thread

Broadway said:
Boston ends up sending Cavs a 2020 2nd rounder to complete deal. I would've told Cavs to got take a hike. I mean IT went down with an injury during their(Cavs vs Celtics) playoff series and it was widely reported he'd have post-season ending surgery to repair his hip. All medical records matched up on both sides, not sure what the big deal was. Needless to say all the additional assets Boston had could not be fully contained.

I will say this Koby kid or whoever Cavs new GM is somewhat savvy on his first big ordeal...it may underscore how overrated Griffin may have been but we'll see soon enough.
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Given what the Kings got for Cuz and IND for PG. Cavs struck gold with this deal for Kyrie. If I were Ainge I would have traded for either of Cuz or PG with the assets he gave up over Kyrie.
 
tiger0330 said:
Given what the Kings got for Cuz and IND for PG. Cavs struck gold with this deal for Kyrie. If I were Ainge I would have traded for either of Cuz or PG with the assets he gave up over Kyrie.
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I would've for PG but not Cousins...Cousins doesn't have winning pedigree at the NBA level(the demands and expectations in Boston would've ate him alive) and he's probably the moodiest player in the entire league. Ainge still got a Big Fish though
 
tiger0330 said:
Given what the Kings got for Cuz and IND for PG. Cavs struck gold with this deal for Kyrie. If I were Ainge I would have traded for either of Cuz or PG with the assets he gave up over Kyrie.
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Ainge got me dum-founded by trading the Nets 2017 first round pick of the draft to Philly when Boston had the chance to select two outstanding future star PG in Markelle Fultz or Lonzo Ball to let their star PG IT go for hip-surgery in the offseason n rehabilitate the start of the 2017-18 season.
Ainge gave up last season best backcourt tandem in the Eastern Conference in "IT and Bradley" a dynamic backcourt tandem that took the Celtricks to the ECF .. Ainge will not look good if Kyrie Irving, Gordon Hayward, and rookie Jayson Tatum aren't able to take the Celtricks to the ECF in the 2017-18 season.

The Boston trade gave Lebron James the reason to stay in Cleveland the next 4 seasons !!!
 
Kiyaman said:
Ainge got me dum-founded by trading the Nets 2017 first round pick of the draft to Philly when Boston had the chance to select two outstanding future star PG in Markelle Fultz or Lonzo Ball to let their star PG IT go for hip-surgery in the offseason n rehabilitate the start of the 2017-18 season.
Ainge gave up last season best backcourt tandem in the Eastern Conference in "IT and Bradley" a dynamic backcourt tandem that took the Celtricks to the ECF .. Ainge will not look good if Kyrie Irving, Gordon Hayward, and rookie Jayson Tatum aren't able to take the Celtricks to the ECF in the 2017-18 season.

The Boston trade gave Lebron James the reason to stay in Cleveland the next 4 seasons !!!
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Celts may struggle esp. early in the season, like Mafra says they let a lot of defense walk out the door. Plus there's only one bball, that would be OK to have all these scorers like the Dubs have but you got to play defense to be successful.
 
tiger0330 said:
Celts may struggle esp. early in the season, like Mafra says they let a lot of defense walk out the door. Plus there's only one bball, that would be OK to have all these scorers like the Dubs have but you got to play defense to be successful.
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Cleveland has a bigger issue with the "there's only one ball" situation than Celtics. Honestly their roster is being blown well out of proportion. It is more balanced now and they have some comparable defensive players balanced with scorers

Starters
Kyrie(offense)
Smart(defense)
Gordon(offense)
Brown(defense)
Horford(defense)

Bench
Rozier(defense)
Green(offense)
Tatum(offense)
Morris(both)
Baynes(defense)

If anything their bench is a little suspect, not as experienced in some areas, and they're not a big team but they are equipped for battle on the other hand...Cleveland has to put out Rose/Calderon/Smith/Shumpert/Korver flanking Lebron...a "get mines bum knees" pg a "old as hell" pg, a "chucking aging" 6th man, a sg they've tried to trade over and over but couldn't, an "aging slow as a snail one dimensional" sg

All while IT will be out for at least a month...good luck with that!
 
Broadway said:
Cleveland has a bigger issue with the "there's only one ball" situation than Celtics. Honestly their roster is being blown well out of proportion. It is more balanced now and they have some comparable defensive players balanced with scorers

Starters
Kyrie(offense)
Smart(defense)
Gordon(offense)
Brown(defense)
Horford(defense)

Bench
Rozier(defense)
Green(offense)
Tatum(offense)
Morris(both)
Baynes(defense)

If anything their bench is a little suspect, not as experienced in some areas, and they're not a big team but they are equipped for battle on the other hand...Cleveland has to put out Rose/Calderon/Smith/Shumpert/Korver flanking Lebron...a "get mines bum knees" pg a "old as hell" pg, a "chucking aging" 6th man, a sg they've tried to trade over and over but couldn't, an "aging slow as a snail one dimensional" sg

All while IT will be out for at least a month...good luck with that!
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It doesn't matter. Year after year, Lebron proves it doesn't matter. If you really believe Kyrie will lead the Celtics past Lebron in the Eastern Conference finals...good luck with that!
 
htr10 said:
It doesn't matter. Year after year, Lebron proves it doesn't matter. If you really believe Kyrie will lead the Celtics past Lebron in the Eastern Conference finals...good luck with that!
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I never said Boston has the edge to beat Cleveland but judging the trade Boston is setup better ascetically rosterwise. I think Boston will be the better regular season team again with a chance to upset them in the playoffs. Cleveland didn't make this trade to beat the Celtics...they made it because Lebron may leave but hope before he does they have a chance to beat the GSW(they still don't have enough)...nothing has changed.

Regardless had Ainge traded for either Butler, George, Cousins, Melo, Aldridge etc etc we come to the same eventuality of probably not having enough to beat Cleveland assuming Cleveland stood pat on Kyrie's request to be traded.

So once again there was no trade for Ainge to make outside of say acquiring a pipe dream in Anthony Davis to place them over the Cavs, alright we're clear now
 
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Broadway said:
I never said Boston has the edge to beat Cleveland but judging the trade Boston is setup better ascetically rosterwise. I think Boston will be the better regular season team again with a chance to upset them in the playoffs. Cleveland didn't make this trade to beat the Celtics...they made it because Lebron may leave but hope before he does they have a chance to beat the GSW(they still don't have enough)...nothing has changed.

Regardless had Ainge traded for either Butler, George, Cousins, Melo, Aldridge etc etc we come to the same eventuality of probably not having enough to beat Cleveland assuming Cleveland stood pat on Kyrie's request to be traded.

So once again there was no trade for Ainge to make outside of say acquiring a pipe dream in Anthony Davis to place them over the Cavs, alright we're clear now
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I would have kept that 2018 1st round pick. I think that Kyrie Irving is the guard version of Melo. That Boston team was greater than the sum of its parts last year. Ainge has now completely blown up that chemistry, maybe because he knew that IT's injury was going to derail this season anyway. Who knows?

I think the guy to get for them was PG13. Other stars would want to come play with him, I think. Irving, well, dude thinks the world is flat and now he plays in one of the most "intellectual" cities in America. Not sure anyone is lining up to be a part of that. I think Boston messed up, but we'll see.
 
htr10 said:
I would have kept that 2018 1st round pick. I think that Kyrie Irving is the guard version of Melo. That Boston team was greater than the sum of its parts last year. Ainge has now completely blown up that chemistry, maybe because he knew that IT's injury was going to derail this season anyway. Who knows?

I think the guy to get for them was PG13. Other stars would want to come play with him, I think. Irving, well, dude thinks the world is flat and now he plays in one of the most "intellectual" cities in America. Not sure anyone is lining up to be a part of that. I think Boston messed up, but we'll see.
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Kyrie might be Meloish in ways, but had Aing'e went after PG13 it was going to cost him that pick and possibly more. There were reports he offered the pick up to Bird at the deadline last yr but Bird said no. Keep in mind would PG13 commit long-term there? We don't know. Cleveland could've had PG13 too over IT/Crowder/Pick

Would I rather have PG13/Hayward/IT/Crowder/Pick over Kyrie/Hayward yeah but wouldn't the "there's only 1 ball" theory get dicier?

I don't think Boston fans won't care one bit as long as Kyrie balls out, remember IT came to Boston with the same rep from Phx/Sac and they ended up loving him.
 
tiger0330 said:
Celts may struggle esp. early in the season, like Mafra says they let a lot of defense walk out the door. Plus there's only one bball, that would be OK to have all these scorers like the Dubs have but you got to play defense to be successful.
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So true .. lastseason the Celtricks defense were tough enough to grab a 1-1 in reg-season vs GSW, plus out-beat the Wizards in a 7 game postseason series to get to the ECF.
I dont see it in the new Celtricks .. I doubt if the Celtricks will have the same-page chemistry to beat either the Raptors or Wizards in a postseason series in the upcoming season, maybe after a season together.
The all-round Chemistry the Cetricks got in their trio-guards "IT, Bradley, and Smart" in the rotation are gone. That's not easy to rebuild when half of the rotation are new players.

The Pacers n the Bulls were not going to trade their franchise star-player to a team in the same conference.
The Pacers n Bulls were a 500 % winning team, now whose to say .. the East has a new 500 % winning team in the Philly 76ers now having Embiid healthy to play a full 82 games.

In a few more weeks training-camp will start and the Knicks n Melo are taking a long time to settle their divorce ..
 
Kiyaman said:
So true .. lastseason the Celtricks defense were tough enough to grab a 1-1 in reg-season vs GSW, plus out-beat the Wizards in a 7 game postseason series to get to the ECF.
I dont see it in the new Celtricks .. I doubt if the Celtricks will have the same-page chemistry to beat either the Raptors or Wizards in a postseason series in the upcoming season, maybe after a season together.
The all-round Chemistry the Cetricks got in their trio-guards "IT, Bradley, and Smart" in the rotation are gone. That's not easy to rebuild when half of the rotation are new players.

The Pacers n the Bulls were not going to trade their franchise star-player to a team in the same conference.
The Pacers n Bulls were a 500 % winning team, now whose to say .. the East has a new 500 % winning team in the Philly 76ers now having Embiid healthy to play a full 82 games.

In a few more weeks training-camp will start and the Knicks n Melo are taking a long time to settle their divorce ..
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They do have a brilliant coach in Brad Stevens. If any guy can get them playing together its him. Broadway mentions the bench as a problem area, I agree Tatum and the rest have to step up, lost a lot of guys from last years team Amir, Olynyk, Jarebko.
 
tiger0330 said:
They do have a brilliant coach in Brad Stevens. If any guy can get them playing together its him. Broadway mentions the bench as a problem area, I agree Tatum and the rest have to step up, lost a lot of guys from last years team Amir, Olynyk, Jarebko.
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Good point bout Boston bench .. Boston outstanding 2-way 6th man Smart will have to be put in the starting lineup this season to tandem with Kyrie, Bradley's 16 pts 6 rbs 2 ast, 1 stl, 1 turnover in 30 min per is gone .. plus Boston will be depending a lot on young players Brown n Tatum off the bench for some strong minutes to accommodate a huge missing void .. the two were not that impressive to me in the summer league games.

The strong difference between Cavs new GM and the Knicks new GM, one is a NBA B.Ball winner and the other is another Dolan puppet .. Kyrie wanted out n got what he wanted within weeks of the Cavs new GM.
Melo wanted out since the 2017 trade deadline, and Knicks new GM has been puppeting around his new office for the 2017-18 season to start .. here's some sports writers notes on Cavs ex-GM n new GM ....

David Griffin made all kinds of smart moves as a general manager and built a championship roster around the Cavs Lebron James. He parted ways with the Cavs after failing to come to an agreement on a new contract with owner Dan Gilbert, leaving Altman to handle GM duties and figure out how to defuse the Irving bomb.
Well, mission accomplished. Altman kept his team in the championship conversation and grabbed a parachute in case James leaves the Cavs for nothing this offseason. Altman had to find a way to push the thread through a very thin needle, but he pulled it off.
Just as important as the Cavs' roster construction, Altman avoided the daily circus of trade rumors that would have polluted the locker room. ESPN's Dave McMenamin previously reported Irving "would rather not report to training camp than begin another season with Cleveland." Every passing day with questions about Irving hovering over Tyronn Lue and his players would have made for a horrible work environment.
Altman may have taken a hit to his reputation based on how this whole ordeal dragged out. He certainly still has big challenges ahead ? you know, like keeping that LeBron guy. On this trade, though, he cleared his first hurdle in spectacular fashion. He deserves credit for it.
 
ESPN Insider grades on the Cavs/Celts trade. Cavs A minus Celts B minus. Pelton downgraded the Cavs grade from A to A minus because of the IT injury but he likes what the Cavs got for Kyrie.

The deal

Cavaliers get: Isaiah Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic, Nets' 2018 first-round pick, Heat's 2020 second-round pick

Celtics get: Kyrie Irving

(See the original trade grade analysis here.)
Cleveland Cavaliers

Original grade: A

New grade: A-minus

Without having access to Thomas' medical reports, it's a bit difficult to determine how much his injury should change our perspective of the value the Cavaliers received in this trade.

If Cleveland's primary concern is the possibility that Thomas' return to the court will be delayed beyond the start of the upcoming season -- a possibility he hinted at in his conversation with ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski earlier this week -- then I don't think that's a big issue.

The Cavaliers have proved repeatedly over the last three seasons that they don't need home-court advantage to win in the Eastern Conference playoffs, but they should have a reasonable cushion anyway. The latest version of our projections using ESPN's real plus-minus -- which assumes Thomas will play a full season (77 games, with the assumption he'll miss five due to minor injuries) -- has Cleveland seven full games ahead of the next-best team in the East.

Of course, the equation changes dramatically if Thomas is unable to play at all in 2017-18. ESPN's Zach Lowe reported Tuesday that sources believe there's at least a slight chance of that worst-case scenario, which would leave the Cavaliers with Derrick Rose and Jose Calderon as their options at point guard -- both significant downgrades from Thomas' production.

To be the clear favorites in the East, and to have a chance at knocking off the Golden State Warriors or a team that upsets the Warriors in the West, Cleveland needs Thomas to be healthy and productive. Any assessment of this trade package turns on just how likely that is to be the case.

From a long-term perspective, this deal still looks like a huge win for the Cavaliers. No other package they were likely to get for Irving would have included a single draft pick (or equivalent prospect) as valuable as Brooklyn's unprotected 2018 first-round pick. While we shouldn't expect that pick to land automatically in the top three, that's a reasonable possibility, and no other team would likely have offered a pick with so much upside.

From a cynical perspective, haggling over Thomas' hip might pay off for Cleveland next summer if the team tries to re-sign him as an unrestricted free agent. Given the limited number of teams with significant cap space and Thomas' age and size, the max offer he's expecting seemed like a long shot. If Thomas' hip scares off suitors, the Cavaliers may end up having the ability to re-sign him at a relative bargain price.

So it's understandable that Cleveland was willing to settle for a small addition to this trade to finalize it, particularly if the Celtics were forthcoming with them about Thomas' condition as Lowe indicated. (Which is not to say that the Cavaliers requesting additional compensation was unreasonable; different medical staffs can and often do draw different conclusions about the long-term health of the same player.)

Let's be clear that what Cleveland did get -- a 2020 second-round pick originally from the Miami Heat, who sent it to Boston to get the Celtics to take on the guaranteed salary of guard Zoran Dragic in the summer of 2015 -- shouldn't change our assessment of this deal much, if at all. Given the Heat's limited cap flexibility, they could end up in the lottery by 2020, making this a reasonably valuable pick. More likely, it will be the kind of midround pick that is regularly bought and sold for a couple million dollars each year on draft night.

The pick signifies a moral victory more than anything else for the Cavaliers at the conclusion of this unusual standoff over completing a blockbuster trade agreed to more than a week ago.
Boston Celtics

Original grade: C

New grade: B-minus

In a conference call with reporters after the trade was announced last week, Celtics GM and president of basketball operations Danny Ainge admitted that Thomas' health was a factor in the decision to trade him.

Because Boston was more certain to re-sign Thomas than Cleveland is now -- whether the Cavs bring Thomas back will depend in large part on what happens with LeBron James' potential free agency next summer -- Thomas' long-term health was a bigger concern for the Celtics than it should be for the Cavaliers. So it makes somewhat more sense, given what we know now, that Boston was willing to give up so much to complete this trade.

I still don't like the inclusion of Jae Crowder from the Celtics' perspective; his loss is the biggest reason their RPM projection declined by more than five games after this trade. (The original projection assumed a full season from Thomas; if he's forced to miss time, the decline would no longer look quite as severe.) Boston is still relying heavily on the development of recent lottery picks Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum to provide depth around the team's newfound star talent.

However, the swap of point guards at the heart of this trade, Thomas for Irving, now looks like a much clearer upgrade for the Celtics. If Irving is as good as Boston believes, the rest of the other pieces the Celtics gave up will pale in comparison.
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Lets see .. the Cavs were missing their star role-player PG Matthew Dellavedova in the postseason FINALS vs GSW .. the Cavs having Deron Williams and Kover in their postseason rotation has prove the two guards performance does not belong in the NBA as players any more. The Cavs offseason they added Calderon, D.Rose, Isaiah, Green, and Crowder to head coach Lue and player/coach Lebron rotation, plus the Nets 2018 first round pick to trade before the 2018 trade deadline for any missing piece for their postseason run.
Yeah .. I give them a grade A too.

Wsup Tiger .. u were absolutely right bout Boston letting some great rotation role-players go to the next team, starting with Olynyk, Amir, Crowder, Bradley, and Isaiah Thomas thats 5 same-page players that put head coach Brad Stevens on the winning map the past two seasons. Although Boston replace those Players with some decent players in Kyrie, Hayward, Morris, Tatum, and Larkins .. head coach Brad Stevens has to get 4 new starters on the same-page in Kyrie, Smart, Hayward, and Morris in the upcoming season for a run in the playoffs .. I give Boston offseason moves a grade C+ because Boston had the chance to grab one of the two future 2-way star PG out of the 2017 draft class in Fultz and Ball.
 
If you believe the internet, Cavs are shopping that 2018 1st round pick they got from the Celtics. I'm guessing the only player they'd want from us is Porzingis, unfortunately.
 
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