Official Trade Rumors Thread

RunningJumper said:
Man this is crazy. Boy am I glad the Knicks decided to hold off on that trade. What makes this a possibly of Irving legitimately wanting to play for the Knicks is he would for sure by the biggest star on this team to start the season and would lead them on offense. I don't know if being from Jersey matters, but him being the biggest star, and definitely getting noticed more in New York, makes this not out of the realm of possibility barring Melo not waiving his NTC.
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And he already has a ring.... So, he doesn't want to join a super team or chase a title... He wants to be the man himself and win one "alone"... Who knows. It just ceases to amaze me how a moribund and dysfunctional franchise, with it's petty and scurrilous owner, like NYK can constantly find ways to get themselves into news relevancy moments.
 
RunningJumper said:
Man this is crazy. Boy am I glad the Knicks decided to hold off on that trade. What makes this a possibly of Irving legitimately wanting to play for the Knicks is he would for sure by the biggest star on this team to start the season and would lead them on offense. I don't know if being from Jersey matters, but him being the biggest star, and definitely getting noticed more in New York, makes this not out of the realm of possibility barring Melo not waiving his NTC.
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Actually this has been the recipe that has doomed this franchise for decades(chasing stars that cause us to be top heavy with nothing in the cupboards)...If all we're left with is Kyrie/#kporzee/WHG/THJR we're stuck for the next 3-6yrs with them with nothing to show. We might be around a 40win team but we're not winning anything major with this squad.
 
mafra said:
And he already has a ring.... So, he doesn't want to join a super team or chase a title... He wants to be the man himself and win one "alone"... Who knows. It just ceases to amaze me how a moribund and dysfunctional franchise, with it's petty and scurrilous owner, like NYK can constantly find ways to get themselves into news relevancy moments.
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Good point about the ring.

Considering the Spurs have Kawhi and the Timberwolves have two big guns, Butler and KAT, I'd say the Knicks and Heat are closer to what he wants.

I'd love to see Kyrie's handles in the Garden.
 
Broadway said:
Actually this has been the recipe that has doomed this franchise for decades(chasing stars that cause us to be top heavy with nothing in the cupboards)...If all we're left with is Kyrie/#kporzee/WHG/THJR we're stuck for the next 3-6yrs with them with nothing to show. We might be around a 40win team but we're not winning anything major with this squad.
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Maybe that would happen, but look at how young these players are. They're not regressing any time soon unless they drop their work ethic or the Knicks organization wants to carry on their tradition of bad moves and a toxic work environment. Also, with their youth, all of them are tradeable at least the next few years if healthy.

Also maybe Perry drafts well and makes some other moves.
 
RunningJumper said:
Maybe that would happen, but look at how young these players are. They're not regressing any time soon unless they drop their work ethic or the Knicks organization wants to carry on their tradition of bad moves and a toxic work environment. Also, with their youth, all of them are tradeable at least the next few years if healthy.
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If they surprise and win they will be, but if they're mediocre no way. I don't see lots of winning with that squad

Case in point if the Wolves don't surprise and make a major leap in the next 2yrs how attractive will you find Andrew Wiggins' 5yr $148mil extension 3rd yr into it? What about Derozan's deal if the Raps start slipping some or Conley if Grizzlies start slipping some?

BTW you see those numbers for Wiggins, that's what we're prepping to pay #kporzee in 2yrs slightly higher if cap increases
 
Broadway said:
If they surprise and win they will be, but if they're mediocre no way. I don't see lots of winning with that squad

Case in point if the Wolves don't surprise and make a major leap in the next 2yrs how attractive will you find Andrew Wiggins' 5yr $148mil extension 3rd yr into it? What about Derozan's deal if the Raps start slipping some or Conley if Grizzlies start slipping some?

BTW you see those numbers for Wiggins, that's what we're prepping to pay #kporzee in 2yrs slightly higher if cap increases
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It might turn out to be amazing. We don't know. But depending on what the Knicks trade for Kyrie, this could be the best scenario for them with trading Melo. Kyrie is a lot better than having Anderson's contract and they wouldn't have to deal with Melo anymore. Remember, Melo has a NTC, so it's not like they have a lot of options to explore. If the Knicks come up with something from left-field, and hey, this Kyrie thing is coming from left-field, then maybe we do get something better. Kyrie isn't the be-all, end-all, but I don't want to trade Melo for a contract that's gonna hinder the rebuilding.
 
Broadway said:
I put nothing past selfish Melo and every since he stated he would be open to be traded there has never been any repeat confirmation he'd be interested in going to Cleveland. It's consistently been Houston and once again I believe there are a couple reasons why. I don't think Cleveland is remotely an option at this point until Lebron publicly commits to the franchise.

I think Cleveland was used to motivate the Rockets to get something done, same way he allowed the Nets to be used to get us to get something done. The only difference Morey isn't a dummy like Dolan.
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but you know the path to the finals is sooooo much easier if he stays in the east. and so what if lebron is gone next summer? melo could decide to go too.
 
RunningJumper said:
It might turn out to be amazing. We don't know. But depending on what the Knicks trade for Kyrie, this could be the best scenario for them with trading Melo. Kyrie is a lot better than having Anderson's contract and they wouldn't have to deal with Melo anymore. Remember, Melo has a NTC, so it's not like they have a lot of options to explore. If the Knicks come up with something from left-field, and hey, this Kyrie thing is coming from left-field, then maybe we do get something better. Kyrie isn't the be-all, end-all, but I don't want to trade Melo for a contract that's gonna hinder the rebuilding.
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The/A contract isn't what necessarily hinders rebuilding per say. Not having picks or landing in the top 5 this yr or next yr/no cap space does. Rebuilding does not mean making trades to revamp the roster with likeable players...it means starting from scratch from the ground up with players who can grow together and adding yr by yr with youth until we've completely identified a high usage core that could challenge for a decade run

So if we have to give up like a 2018 1st, 2020 1st, and Knits in such a deal which isn't farfetched at all...that's not a good deal but yes we did rid ourselves of Melo and added Kyrie

Landing stars/so called stars don't impress me, never really did. I've seen this script over and over already but I've never seen rebuilding done the right way before.
 
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Remember, this whole story broke bc Windhurst went public. And we all know this guy is Lebron's wind instrument. Lebron leaked this story to Windhurst.

That won't help repair Lebron and Kyrie relationship..... And, Lebron would only leak this bc he envisions improving Cavs for next season.... and most likely that means trading KI...

And, since this broke after Rose visited.... well, do the Math.
 
Broadway said:
The/A contract isn't what necessarily hinders rebuilding per say. Not having picks or landing in the top 5 this yr or next yr does. Rebuilding does not mean making trades to revamp the roster with likeable players...it means starting from scratch from the ground up with players who can grow together and adding yr by yr with youth until we've completely identified a high usage core that could challenge for a decade run

So if we have to give up like a 2018 1st, 2020 1st, and Knits in such a deal which isn't farfetched at all...that's not a good deal but yes we did rid ourselves of Melo and added Kyrie

Landing stars/so called stars don't impress me, never really did. I've seen this script over and over already but I've never seen rebuilding done the right way before.
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Good point. I don't like the idea of giving up picks. I don't know if Kyrie is worth it.
 
lol i'm listening to guys predict that adding kyrie will not add to our win total. wow.
i still don't think this is going to happen, but damn if some of the stuff i'm hearing isn't ridiculous lmao.
 
and1 said:
lol i'm listening to guys predict that adding kyrie will not add to our win total. wow.
i still don't think this is going to happen, but damn if some of the stuff i'm hearing isn't ridiculous lmao.
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Knicks haven't had a legit PG in 25 years.... if they can get a 25 yr-old Kyrie for Ntikilina, Melo, and a future 1st.... you jump at that!

I doubt it happens.... but watching Kyrie, THJr, KP, and WHG would be fun.... and worth the price of admission. And who says this group wouldn't win?
 
mafra said:
Remember, this whole story broke bc Windhurst went public. And we all know this guy is Lebron's wind instrument. Lebron leaked this story to Windhurst.

That won't help repair Lebron and Kyrie relationship..... And, Lebron would only leak this bc he envisions improving Cavs for next season.... and most likely that means trading KI...

And, since this broke after Rose visited.... well, do the Math.
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Very probable!
 
Broadway said:
The/A contract isn't what necessarily hinders rebuilding per say. Not having picks or landing in the top 5 this yr or next yr/no cap space does. Rebuilding does not mean making trades to revamp the roster with likeable players...it means starting from scratch from the ground up with players who can grow together and adding yr by yr with youth until we've completely identified a high usage core that could challenge for a decade run

So if we have to give up like a 2018 1st, 2020 1st, and Knits in such a deal which isn't farfetched at all...that's not a good deal but yes we did rid ourselves of Melo and added Kyrie

Landing stars/so called stars don't impress me, never really did. I've seen this script over and over already but I've never seen rebuilding done the right way before.
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2018 1st round pick and Ntilikina, sure no problem. No way I'm giving up that 2020 1st round pick though. Imagine 2 offseasons from now, Kyrie and KP both leave in free agency and we're entering a season where we don't have a 1st round pick at the end of it? That would be the worst.
 
Isola:

"Yes, Irving's dad is a Bronx guy and Kyrie's Godfather is none other than former Knicks point guard Rod Strickland. Playing at Madison Square Garden makes sense for a kid from West Orange, New Jersey."

"Irving reportedly has a wish list of four teams; the Knicks, Spurs, Timberwolves and Miami Heat. The latter is the one to watch because Wechsler, who represented Alonzo Mourning for years, has a close relationship with the Heat and Miami president Pat Riley.

And wouldn't that be something for Riley to get back at LeBron by trading for his point guard and hurting Cleveland's chances of winning an NBA title?

The Knicks will contact Cleveland and make a pitch. The obvious move would be to trade Carmelo Anthony and a few first round picks for a bona-fide superstar. However, a source close to Anthony said late Friday that the All Star forward is focused on getting a deal done with Houston.

Anthony would have to waive his no-trade and there is no guarantee that Anthony would do that to join a Cavs team that didn't have Irving. Also, Anthony probably knows better than anyone that LeBron is leaving next July.

The other scenario is that the Knicks offer Kristaps Porzingis which is sure to get Cleveland's attention. But then the Knicks would be building around Kyrie and trying to land a second and third star to play with him.

Still, the Knicks are in the conversation. They haven't done anything to be in the conversation other than Madison Square Garden sits less than 20 miles from West Orange. That real estate on W. 33rd Street still means something even if the team has been a trainwreck.

Ultimately, the Cavs have the final say and if you're Gilbert and you know that LeBron is leaving next summer why not beat him to the punch. Trade LeBron and Kyrie now and get something for both of them. Even LeBron doesn't think the team is good enough to beat Golden State. Honestly, no one is.

Be proactive. Trade your stars for young players and draft picks and wait for the Warriors to get old and fade away.

The Knicks would be interested in both players. The odds of them getting one?not so good.

Kyrie is available and assuming Pat Riley has a pulse the early leader has to be the Heat. But the Knicks are definitely in the game. Considering how far they've fallen that counts for something."
 
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Scratch that whole crap about Kyrie's main motivation being going somewhere to make his own legacy. Multiple sources, including ESPN, reporting that San Antonio is Kyrie's preferred destination. Yup, definitely no pre-existing legacy like players with multiple rings, an MVP-caliber-type player, or a Hall of Fame coach to detract from your personal legacy there.
 
We had some fun with it, but we all know truth is that KI to NYK is the long shots of all long shots.... Unless Lebron James steps in and stomps his feet here.... no way CLE trades with NY.

Now, if Lebron is truly running things.... and, in order for it to happen, Lebron commits to CLE for more than 1 season.... No way Melo accepts a trade to CLE.

However, if LJ holds Gilbert hostage and demands a swap for Melo, then LJ convinces his friend to come join him, there's a slim chance stars align and this thing happens.

Let's hop this rumor compels HOU to step up their efforts....

Reality remains.... if Irving is to arrive at MSG.... it happens bc the young kids show enough promise next 2 seasons.... KI signs with us as a free agent.

And, as a NYK fan, let's not get distracted. we ain't winning next 2 seasons.... So, let's play the kids (tank), develop the core and gather 2 more lottery pieces.... this way, come 2 years from now.... NYK in a position to sign Klay or Kyrie... this way, we get that star without having to surrender anything.

Again, we aren't 1 piece away.... So why move here?

Now, if we can get Kyrie for Melo and a first rounder.... Hey, make it happen.
 
htr10 said:
Scratch that whole crap about Kyrie's main motivation being going somewhere to make his own legacy. Multiple sources, including ESPN, reporting that San Antonio is Kyrie's preferred destination. Yup, definitely no pre-existing legacy like players with multiple rings, an MVP-caliber-type player, or a Hall of Fame coach to detract from your personal legacy there.
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I said we were only "the buzz destination", I knew our team wasn't a realistic one...yet we were the first team leaking potential offers. Just goes to show our front office still has no clear footings, is as green as the first shoots-blades of grass in the spring time...easily distracted by whatever is put out there that gives off the mirage of glitz and glamour.

Old Knicks Are Back

I wasn't high on the news and potential of landing him from jump, because the cost would be great and rewinds us right back to about 5-10yrs ago.
 
I figure Minny to be his destination of choice when it's all said and done. I've mentioned Kyrie and Butler being very close before. Cleveland truly doesn't have to make a move at all until they have to.
 
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