The Dominant Big Man

Porzingis has room to improve, but Knicks believe he'll one day be 'unstoppable'

12:09 PM ET
Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer
NEW YORK -- Barring a miraculous late-season run, the New York Knicks aren?t headed to the playoffs. But that doesn?t mean their final 22 games are meaningless.

One thing to keep an eye on? Rookie Kristaps Porzingis' interior game.

?That?s where we think eventually he?s going to be unstoppable," Knicks interim coach Kurt Rambis said Friday. "He?s going to create a tremendous matchup problem for teams. The sooner he learns how to do that ... the better off he?s going to be.?

Same goes for the Knicks.

It?s hard to overstate just how important Porzingis? development is to the franchise. You can make an easy argument that the club's next 10 years hinge on how well the 7-foot-3 Latvian progresses.


An argument can be made that the Knicks' next 10 years hinge on how well Kristaps Porzingis progresses. AP Photo/Julie Jacobson
So it will be interesting to see what the organization does -- or doesn't do -- to foster Porzingis' growth over the next few seasons.

The 20-year-old has already shown an ability to score from the perimeter and in many areas inside the arc. But the Knicks would like to see him use his height more effectively closer to the basket.

"We?re still working on encouraging him to get inside more, to be more productive,? Rambis said. ?Whether it?s at the elbow or post-up or giant step off the block."

The numbers show that Porzingis' interior play has been solid in Year 1.

According to Synergy Sports, Porzingis scores 0.88 points per play in the post, which places him in the top 40th percentile in the NBA. He has had particular success on the left block, where he has scored one point per play, according to Synergy.

He also scores 1.176 points per play on putbacks following offensive rebounds, which places him in the top 25 percent of the league.

These numbers are strong, particularly when you factor in that Porzingis didn?t play often in the post last season as a 19-year-old pro in Spain.

But the Knicks would like to see more. Rambis critiqued Porzingis' shot selection, pointing out that the rookie took some shots that he 'flat-out didn't like' -- which he noted is typical of young players.

Rambis also notes that Porzingis can do a better job creating space for himself.

?He?s a tall, long individual, [and] he?s got to keep people away from his body so that he can use his length and his mobility better,? Rambis said. ?Everybody?s going to try to get into his legs. And try and push him around. So he?s got to try and figure out that space where to operate.

"We can teach him things, we can show him little tricks, but he?s actually got to get out there and go through it.?

Coaches aren?t the only ones teaching Porzingis. The rookie said he has learned a lot from watching Carmelo Anthony operate in the post this season.

"Offseason, even during the season, he?s always there for me," Porzingis said.

The offseason for Porzingis and Anthony is probably coming sooner than both would have liked. But before it does, it's worth keeping an eye on Porzingis' interior game. It's one of the many things the Knicks hope to fine-tune as Porzingis transitions from young talent to franchise cornerstone.
 
The problem is the NBA is not a teaching league esp. when it comes to big men. You are supposed to learn post moves in college. That's why I hate drafting these Euros. That part of the game is not emphasized over there and it's tough to pick it up on the fly against NBA talent. KP6 is not a bust for sure, but is his ceiling as high as Phil thinks???? I would hire Dirks shooting coach to teach KP6 how to work around the elbow and in. With KP6 length and shooting touch he should be unstoppable down there. Seems a waste to have a guy with that size camped outside launching threes that lead to long rebounds and runout layups for the other team.

WOW! That's 85% of the reason why 7.3 KP received all the BOOS on draft night .. then Phil Jackson tried to promote KP off as the next Dirk lmao, when Dirk never blocked a shot in his life, plus Dirk only became a threat in the playoffs when the majority of the western conference bigmen went to eastern conference teams .. Shaq, Webber, KG, West, Amare, etc.

I was just comparing KAT and KP6 shot distribution and KP6 takes 27% of his shots from the 3 pt line and 29% under the basket. KAT takes 43% of his shots under the basket and 6% of his shot are 3s. Surprising thing to me is KP6 is not as efficient as I would have thought close in avg'ing about 1pt per shot from either close in or from 3 pt range. Kat is great close in avg'ing 1.25pts and good from 3 pt range making 20/55 of this 3s.

I think the shot stat tells you KP has a long way to go in either developing a post game or becoming an elite shooter. I hate to say it but the kid is a bit overhyped on the offensive end. He'll get better but KAT is the next superstar in this league and KP has a lot to learn.

It's not hard to say "KAT is on his way to becoming a super star in the NBA", and KP will be a project next season working on playing in the post."
 
Towns is a current superstar who has met and exceeded all expectations, even as the current #1 pick, and he plays for a team...that is over 20 games below 0.500.

Towns reminds a lot of people of Anthony Davis who is an elite superstar this year playing for a team...that is over 10 games below 0.500.

Porzingis has not been perfect, but certainly has exceeded most expectations for his rookie season while playing for a team...that is 10 games below 0.500.

I get why people are so quick to call this guy a star, that guy a project, etc., but what's the point on all these bad teams?

Yeah, Porzingis needs to work on his post game. Towns' post game actually isn't all that special either. He does most of his damage up close with the offense in motion. Okafor has an amazing post game, but his defense and passing are garbage. Russell started out the season terrible, but has played better lately.

First one of these guys who puts up numbers for a team that is no longer a lottery team wins first blood at this point in my book.
 
5- Rolo backup Seraphin
4- O'Quinn backup Porzingis
3- Melo backup D.Will

That's a 6 man rotation of bigs to give us 30 fouls on defense for the win.
We added 6 FA players to the team in the 2015 offseason, plus 2 rookies.
We have 3 players we added to the team on last season deadline.
At the end of the day we only have 3 players (Melo, Calderon, Early) that were on the roster to start the 2014-15 season last year.

The Knicks poor coaching staff were suppose to demand that we play a 11 man rotation all 82 games in the 2015-16 season .. giving 10 to 11 players double digit minutes per game. No player on the Knicks showed they earned or deserve over 30 minutes on our roster this season, especially Dolan's $124M Melo !!!

Our Guards look terrible because we never have enough BIGS in the lineup to screen for our guards on offense, or to defend the paint on defense. u will never see Melo/D.Will screen for our guards, or defend the paint which is why Melo/D.Will should never be at the (PF) 4 spot. Does Phil Jackson know this? Yes! Did he do anything about it? NO!
 
5- Rolo backup Seraphin
4- O'Quinn backup Porzingis
3- Melo backup D.Will

That's a 6 man rotation of bigs to give us 30 fouls on defense for the win.
We added 6 FA players to the team in the 2015 offseason, plus 2 rookies.
We have 3 players we added to the team on last season deadline.
At the end of the day we only have 3 players (Melo, Calderon, Early) that were on the roster to start the 2014-15 season last year.

The Knicks poor coaching staff were suppose to demand that we play a 11 man rotation all 82 games in the 2015-16 season .. giving 10 to 11 players double digit minutes per game. No player on the Knicks showed they earned or deserve over 30 minutes on our roster this season, especially Dolan's $124M Melo !!!

Our Guards look terrible because we never have enough BIGS in the lineup to screen for our guards on offense, or to defend the paint on defense. u will never see Melo/D.Will screen for our guards, or defend the paint which is why Melo/D.Will should never be at the (PF) 4 spot. Does Phil Jackson know this? Yes! Did he do anything about it? NO!

Honestly, I have no problem with that frontcourt rotation, especially since if Rambis is only going to give Porzingis 20 to 25 minutes a game, maybe because of persistent stamina issues, then I'd rather see Porzingis get a good chunk of his minutes without Melo on the court. Melo and Porzingis actually play pretty well on offense together at times, but I honestly believe that Porzingis' future is playing offense without Melo drawing attention on the court, so he should be practicing that.

That said, we have easily the WORST backcourt rotation in the NBA by far in my opinion. We can tweak the frontcourt rotation until the cows come home and it won't change anything until we have something, anything, resembling a real NBA backcourt.
 
WOW! That's 85% of the reason why 7.3 KP received all the BOOS on draft night .. then Phil Jackson tried to promote KP off as the next Dirk lmao, when Dirk never blocked a shot in his life, plus Dirk only became a threat in the playoffs when the majority of the western conference bigmen went to eastern conference teams .. Shaq, Webber, KG, West, Amare, etc.



It's not hard to say "KAT is on his way to becoming a super star in the NBA", and KP will be a project next season working on playing in the post."


Not sure how much Dirk comparisons Phil used but he specifically said on draft day and leading into this season several times that #kporzee reminded him of "PAU GASOL"
 
Howard to NY

I was going to start a new thread but this one seemed appropriate for my comment. There are rumors circulating that Dwight Howard wants to come to NY and play for the Knicks. We'd have to sign him as a free agent. He is considered an upgrade to Lopez but I'm sure the Knicks would look to trade Lopez at some point.

A Howard, Porzingis, Anthony front court seems pretty strong. Any thoughts?
 
Declining athleticism for a guy whose game depends on it and hasn't developed a reliable post game in ten years and can't shoot FTs.

No thanks esp if he wants a max contract, Knicks need to build with a foundation of younger players and when they start winning games bring in a vet star to get them deep in the playoffs.
 
I was going to start a new thread but this one seemed appropriate for my comment. There are rumors circulating that Dwight Howard wants to come to NY and play for the Knicks. We'd have to sign him as a free agent. He is considered an upgrade to Lopez but I'm sure the Knicks would look to trade Lopez at some point.

A Howard, Porzingis, Anthony front court seems pretty strong. Any thoughts?
Here's an article on DH and his opinion on why the Knicks shouldn't get him. Lopez and KP are defending the paint better and the guy hasn't been the same since his back surgery.

Houston fans also don't want to bring him back for max money and call him a stat padder.

http://dailyknicks.com/2016/03/11/why-the-knicks-do-not-need-dwight-howard/
 
The problem is the NBA is not a teaching league esp. when it comes to big men. You are supposed to learn post moves in college. That's why I hate drafting these Euros. That part of the game is not emphasized over there and it's tough to pick it up on the fly against NBA talent. Seems a waste to have a guy with that size camped outside launching threes that lead to long rebounds and runout layups for the other team.


So True! So True!
Last night i watch the Spurs vs Hornets game, and the way rookie Kaminski performance in the post on offense n defense is what i wish Porzingis knew how to do. Kaminsky 4 yr of college had him forcing so many Spurs players to change their shot selection on defense, on offense Kaminsky kept picking n screening for a slashing Lin n Lee to score plus Kaminsky knows how to box-out Spurs vets Diaw n West so Jefferson Lamb or Lin could grab rebound to start a fast break .. In a game where Spurs took a 28-7 lead over Hornets in the first quarter, plus Spurs had a 51-36 lead at halftime. The Hornets came back n took the lead the first 3 minutes into the 4th quarter to win the game 91-88

Lin Sanity n Walker has turned the Hornets team into above .500 winning team
 
So True! So True!
Last night i watch the Spurs vs Hornets game, and the way rookie Kaminski performance in the post on offense n defense is what i wish Porzingis knew how to do. Kaminsky 4 yr of college had him forcing so many Spurs players to change their shot selection on defense, on offense Kaminsky kept picking n screening for a slashing Lin n Lee to score plus Kaminsky knows how to box-out Spurs vets Diaw n West so Jefferson Lamb or Lin could grab rebound to start a fast break .. In a game where Spurs took a 28-7 lead over Hornets in the first quarter, plus Spurs had a 51-36 lead at halftime. The Hornets came back n took the lead the first 3 minutes into the 4th quarter to win the game 91-88

Lin Sanity n Walker has turned the Hornets team into above .500 winning team
Pisses me off, Lin was available and PJ picks up Sasha the Machine and AA when he could have had Shved and Lin for about 1/2 the money. Would have gotten younger also.

I want to see how the next coach uses KP, he doesn't set many screens for a big man that job being Rolo's, and the screens he does set are pretty weak. Really looking for the next coach to start using some common sense when you have a 7'3" player who weighs 240 and will be bigger in a couple of years you start developing him now to be a BIG man and not a mediocre outside shooter.
 
Say what you want about Porzingis, the dude gets it and has possibly one of the best attitudes of any rookie in the history of the NBA. Here's a quote from a New York Daily News article (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...porzingis-carmelo-article-1.2579195?cid=bitly):

?Definitely (improving my post game is important). I have a great guy to learn from, Carmelo Anthony. So I?ll be working out with him probably in the summer,? Porzingis said. ?I?ll try to find the right people to work with, to learn more and maybe an ex-NBA player who is really good in the post, somebody I can find who can help me with that. Put in the work, come back next season better.?
 
Say what you want about Porzingis, the dude gets it and has possibly one of the best attitudes of any rookie in the history of the NBA. Here's a quote from a New York Daily News article (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...porzingis-carmelo-article-1.2579195?cid=bitly):

“Definitely (improving my post game is important). I have a great guy to learn from, Carmelo Anthony. So I’ll be working out with him probably in the summer,” Porzingis said. “I’ll try to find the right people to work with, to learn more and maybe an ex-NBA player who is really good in the post, somebody I can find who can help me with that. Put in the work, come back next season better.”
KP definitely gets it just like in that half time interview against the Bulls where he said I'll tell you what we need to do better not what we did well. He knows he's got no post game to speak of and wants to improve that, I would start with learning that hook shot Rolo has, never saw anyone block it.
 
Say what you want about Porzingis, the dude gets it and has possibly one of the best attitudes of any rookie in the history of the NBA. Here's a quote from a New York Daily News article (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...porzingis-carmelo-article-1.2579195?cid=bitly):

“Definitely (improving my post game is important). I have a great guy to learn from, Carmelo Anthony. So I’ll be working out with him probably in the summer,” Porzingis said. “I’ll try to find the right people to work with, to learn more and maybe an ex-NBA player who is really good in the post, somebody I can find who can help me with that. Put in the work, come back next season better.”
Sounds like Hakeem has a customer. He already has shown his Dream Shake in games might as well learn it all from Hakeem.

Seriously, look at how successful Rolo is with that hook shot with both hands. You don't have to develop a complete post game in one off-season. Just learn one go to move like Rolo has, actually 2 if you consider the left hand as a separate shot, Rolo's hook shot is unstoppable. I would learn and perfect that this off-season.
 
Sounds like Hakeem has a customer. He already has shown his Dream Shake in games might as well learn it all from Hakeem.

Seriously, look at how successful Rolo is with that hook shot with both hands. You don't have to develop a complete post game in one off-season. Just learn one go to move like Rolo has, actually 2 if you consider the left hand as a separate shot, Rolo's hook shot is unstoppable. I would learn and perfect that this off-season.

Rolo would have had a super season if we started O'Quinn in the starter lineup with him.
O'Quinn would have had a double-double season being a starter in the frontcourt with Rolo.
Rookie Porzingis would have had a super rookie season watching the tandem of Rolo n Quinn in the POST as starters every game to come off the bench to replace O'Quinn or Rolo in the rotation.
 
This Article is speaking nothing but facts




We can say it's unfair, a rigid, narrow viewpoint on matter but it's spot on. I said this within days after drafting him #kporzee has to not only be the best player of his draft class but that he has to be better than we're anticipating him being.

For the record #kporzee and Mudiay will finish close to the same amount of 3s made and 3pt% if #kporzee is shut down and Mudiay finishes out the season. Both will have played about the same amount of games.
 
This Article is speaking nothing but facts




We can say it's unfair, a rigid, narrow viewpoint on matter but it's spot on. I said this within days after drafting him #kporzee has to not only be the best player of his draft class but that he has to be better than we're anticipating him being.

For the record #kporzee and Mudiay will finish close to the same amount of 3s made and 3pt% if #kporzee is shut down and Mudiay finishes out the season. Both will have played about the same amount of games.

It's not a huge difference, but why say 'about the same' instead of just giving the easily available numbers:

Porzingis - 81 three-pointers made on 0.333 shooting
Mudiay - 66 three-pointers made on 0.314 shooting

Similar stats, but Porzingis was still slightly better unless Mudiay shoots the lights out to finish the season.

Also, why not offer the overall shooting numbers for both players:

Porzingis - 14.3 points per game on 0.421 shooting
Mudiay - 12.4 points per game on 0.354 shooting

That's kind of a huge difference in overall shooting for a season. Not counting October and April, in which only a few games were played, Mudiay's BEST month shooting in FG% was still worse than Porzingis' WORST month shooting in FG%.
 
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It's not a huge difference, but why say 'about the same' instead of just giving the easily available numbers:

Porzingis - 81 three-pointers made on 0.333 shooting
Mudiay - 66 three-pointers made on 0.314 shooting

Similar stats, but Porzingis was still slightly better unless Mudiay shoots the lights out to finish the season.

Also, why not offer the overall shooting numbers for both players:

Porzingis - 14.3 points per game on 0.421 shooting
Mudiay - 12.4 points per game on 0.354 shooting

That's kind of a huge difference in overall shooting for a season. Not counting October and April, in which only a few games were played, Mudiay's BEST month shooting in FG% was still worse than Porzingis' WORST month shooting in FG%.

The reason I didn't because the numbers showed behind closed post what I said was exactly true. I didn't need to. But the billed "SHOOTER" in this draft should have head and shoulders better numbers than the player billed as the "NON SHOOTER". I looked at the 3ball specifically because of it's import to the game. Not sure how many 3s these two will continue to put up during their career but #kporzee needs to get that % way up to be "Great". Mudiay could go on to shoot 40-50% from 3 rest of season with 4gms remaining and finish with the exact same percentage as #kporzee. Yes it could happen as he's done this over his previous 4 and he will have played less games regardless if he finishes the season.

I chose Mudiay for 2 reasons, as I stated before....his shooting is improving and yet he is probably the worst of the bunch in his draft class.
 
The reason I didn't because the numbers showed behind closed post what I said was exactly true. I didn't need to. But the billed "SHOOTER" in this draft should have head and shoulders better numbers than the player billed as the "NON SHOOTER". I looked at the 3ball specifically because of it's import to the game. Not sure how many 3s these two will continue to put up during their career but #kporzee needs to get that % way up to be "Great". Mudiay could go on to shoot 40-50% from 3 rest of season with 4gms remaining and finish with the exact same percentage as #kporzee. Yes it could happen as he's done this over his previous 4 and he will have played less games regardless if he finishes the season.

I chose Mudiay for 2 reasons, as I stated before....his shooting is improving and yet he is probably the worst of the bunch in his draft class.

Mudiay didn't shoot above 39% a single month of the season. Bad shooter who finished shooting 35% from the floor for the season.

Porzingis didn't shoot below 39% a single month of the season and finished shooting 42% from the floor for the season. Not as good as billed, but not a bad shooting season.

No way you really want to say Porzingis didn't dramatically outshoot Mudiay this season. 7% difference from the floor over the course of a season is a huge difference. This would be the most pointless of all our debates.
 
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