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Kevin Knox and Process, Process, Process

The Knicks might be on the verge of trading Kevin Knox. Here's why they shouldn't.

By Jonathan Macri , Feb 4, 2020

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The numbers, to a certain extent, speak for themselves. For his career, Kevin Knox has an effective field goal percentage of 44 percent.

According to Basketball Reference, he is the one of only two players in the NBA over the last three seasons to put up at least a thousand field goal attempts and have an eFG% under 45. The other is his teammate, Frank Ntilikina.

Unlike Ntilikina though, offense is arguably the stronger part of Knox's game. His defense has at times rendered him unplayable, and while he has shown moments of improvement this season -the occasional block, the actual sliding of feet, not dying on every pick - it has still been a steady uphill climb.

Put it all together, and a player who cost the Knicks 9.2 points per 100 possessions last season is still costing them 3.5 points per 100 this year. It's an improvement, but one that could also be clouded with the fact that he has played more than half of his minutes with Mitchell Robinson, a plus minus darling who redeems the sins of many in his orbit.

So no, it has not been a cake walk for the young man from Kentucky. But then again, it was never supposed to be.

Knox, who is still one of the 20 youngest players in the NBA, was always going to be a project. His own college coach, John Calipari, claims he told the Knicks when when they drafted Knox that he would be player that took years - plural - to pan out.
It hasn't happened yet. And based on the reports now floating around Twitter, it may never happen, at least not in New York.

With the Knicks potentially looking to make a splash, reports indicate that they're willing to include Knox in trade discussions, possibly for a player they may have had a chance at obtaining this summer, D'Angelo Russell.

Russell, in case you haven't heard, is good. Some would say really good.
(Some others - like those who notice that the Warriors are only a slightly better team when he's on the court, or that he's one of the worst players in the league at finishing through contact, or that he takes a lower frequency of shots at the rim than almost literally any player in the NBA, or that his assist ratio is more commensurate with a typical shooting guard, and not a point guard - those folks would probably say otherwise. But I digress...).

All kidding aside, there are enough question marks about Russell to wonder whether he would noticeably move the needle for a team that is still 21 games under .500 after a two-game winning streak. Maybe, maybe not...but that's almost besides the point.

The one thing that everyone can agree upon right now is that the value of Kevin Knox - the man who New York would seemingly carry to San Francisco if it got them Russell in exchange - is at the lowest point it's been in his short career.
And who knows...maybe it gets even lower. No one can say for sure.

But in an asset maximization league, trading a 20-year-old, former top-ten pick is not the type of thing sound organizations do, especially when that player might be on the verge of a turnaround.

It's a relatively small sample size that's been affected by who he's been on the floor with, but since Mike Miller has brought some stability to the team's play, the Knicks have been a better team with Knox on the court than with him off of it. Games like the one Knox had earlier in January when the Knicks defeated Miami - 17 points on eight shots, an an overall authoritative offensive performance - have been few and far between. But the fact that they exist at all can't go unnoticed.

Even last night, Knox gave the Knicks 17 minutes of sound, competent basketball that included a dozen points on just eight attempts.

"Sound" and "competent," of course, don't equate to a player of Russell's caliber - nowhere close, in fact. For all of D'Angelo's flaws, even the biggest Knox fan would be hard pressed to say that he'll ever approach an All-Star level, something Russell has already done.

But he would certainly be part of a larger package - something more than a throw in, but also not the centerpiece of any deal. Based on Knox's play, that's about all the value he's derived, last night's good game aside.

That's what makes his name being included in talks to frustrating to some fans. The front office that drafted him has preached patience and process for two years now. They promised that players who wanted to be here and that put in the work would thrive, aided by an organization that could improve their game and their stock.

Knox, for all his struggles, has been a hard worker, putting in extra work before and after games. He's also been a good kid off the court by all indications. That his struggles have continued into his sophomore season while playing ten fewer minutes per game should not come as a shock to anyone (and if anything, his continued positivity in the face of struggle is perhaps the mild surprise.)

What exactly has changed - other than the job security of the men who drafted him - is a question every Knick fan should be asking themselves with the trade deadline now just two days away. How those men approach this deadline could have wide-reaching ramifications, not just for Knox, but for the long term future of this franchise.

This season is already a lost cause. The next two days may determine just how long the bleeding lasts.

(Gulp! and does anybody trust Mills or Perry? Hey, let?s commit to a 30-te-old journeyman, role player instead of capitalizing on his current high value).
 
I think an offer of MRob and our unprotected first is a reasonable offer for DLO along with the expirings. I don't think the Warriors would have any interest in acquiring any of our other young guys aside from Mitch.

This the reality of things and it's not so much about what players are making in certain deals but who clearly is the better player. As much as GSW wants to shed salary we want and "desperately need" point guard. One team's need doesn't necessarily best the others. If we really aren't that high on D-Lo then pivot from these talks and target other interests. If we keep lurking, yeah we're going to have to come off players/assets we rather not. At the same time I doubt all we'd only take back D-Lo in any potential trade, I'm guessing we could acquire something else if we sweeten the pot
 
This the reality of things and it's not so much about what players are making in certain deals but who clearly is the better player. As much as GSW wants to shed salary we want and "desperately need" point guard. One team's need doesn't necessarily best the others. If we really aren't that high on D-Lo then pivot from these talks and target other interests. If we keep lurking, yeah we're going to have to come off players/assets we rather not. At the same time I doubt all we'd only take back D-Lo in any potential trade, I'm guessing we could acquire something else if we sweeten the pot

Thankfully, it sounds like we did that... Talking to CHA about a Rozier-Monk for Randle-DSJ swap.

I fear this front office will hold on to MM. trade him for assets and re-sign the man. Both parties should agree that?s for the best for both futures.
 
Thankfully, it sounds like we did that... Talking to CHA about a Rozier-Monk for Randle-DSJ swap.

I fear this front office will hold on to MM. trade him for assets and re-sign the man. Both parties should agree that’s for the best for both futures.

I would prefer Washington but if you can get rid of Randle & DSJ then I'm for it. Not crazy about Rozier & Monk. We have enough guard and I'm not sure if it upgrades us that much.

Our #1 priority is a PF and a Center. Randle isn't the answer but to his credit he has been doing his best, bless his soul. He is just not a #1 option and isn't a PF(not tall enough) and he isn't a SF(to slow).

There were problems with DSJ before we trade for him that is why Dallas trade him. We didn't do our homework but they never do.
 
Thankfully, it sounds like we did that... Talking to CHA about a Rozier-Monk for Randle-DSJ swap.

I fear this front office will hold on to MM. trade him for assets and re-sign the man. Both parties should agree that?s for the best for both futures.

That's not a deal we should do either it doesn't solve out point guard issue. Rozier really isn't a point guard otherwise Graham wouldn't almost double him in the assist column. He's a scoring guard. He and Monk would be incredibly redundant. We need someone in the back court who's a threat to get 7-10ast/gm while being a scoring threat and play defense if at all possible.

Charlotte just signed Rozier why would they move off him so fast if he's the back court replacement to Kemba?
 
I guess it?s dump or trash for theirs?

I don?t move it either... I fee like there is something there in DSJ. Now, having Rozier, Frank and MRob should make for a defensive unit....

But I think Monk is trash. I would prefer Kennard from DET.

And, yes, I love Randle?s attitude and professionalism. Miller is also getting something out of him.... just need to limit his turnovers.

My main issue with Randle is PF minutes. With MM and Knox.... I think we need to pick between MM or Randle, bc we owe it to the org to give Knox every chance to fail. Or succeed. Otherwise, send him to G-League to develop.
 
Welly-well, Wojo reports the first act of Perry was to make Morris available. Now we know who the true fool was... Mills!
 
Randle, Payton and RJ should be our main topic of discussion to trade. These are the players who are playing the most minutes with the most hype. If we can trick 3 teams into trading for them that would be great. Especially if we could get the Nuggets to trade MPJ for RJ. That would solve our problem in the division with defending Ben Simmons. Combine him with Knox, Frank, Dotson and MRob.
 
The Knicks don't need to make any trade this season …. We need to keep being creative in building a set Game-Plan, and making team-plays for the trio & tandem scorers. Yes, we need two creative scorers to take the ball out of Randle-Handle hands in crunch-time minutes. Yes, we need another center (FA Drummond), to put Taj Gibson at his natural PF position to tandem in a lineup having MitchRob at center, and Knox at SF. Yes, we need to give Morris an extension contract for the growth of the young-core players. Yes, we need to get our guard rotation on the same-page by Tandem Frank & DSJ in a lineup, and tandem Payton & Dotson in a lineup to run the back-court offense.
Yes, we could use one or two more creative coaches added to the coaching-staff next season.
 
Welp the first Big Trade goes down



Wolves pick up an asset they wanted to flip for D-Lo which probably goes down next
 
I'm hearing Mooks and Payton might be out soon. On Reddit one guy says Morris already said goodbye to the knicks writers while Payton unfollowed the Knicks.
 
Welp the first Big Trade goes down



Wolves pick up an asset they wanted to flip for D-Lo which probably goes down next

Houston gets Covington, but had to give up Capela to do it. I don?t love this deal for them.

Atlanta gets Capela, which I think is pretty good for them.

Denver gets a late 1st round pick for giving up very little. Pretty good.

My feeling on Minnesota all depends on what they do next. If they get Russell, this deal makes a lot of sense.
 
Welp the first Big Trade goes down



Wolves pick up an asset they wanted to flip for D-Lo which probably goes down next
Pretty steep price for the Rox to get Covington. Capela and a first, partially a salary move to get them under the luxury tax.

Saw the Rox Pels game and I said wtf with D'ants starting Harden, Russ, PJ, House and Gordon none of them taller than 6'6" and hasn't been done since 1963 when NBA teams were a lot smaller. The Rox have committed to small ball big time but are going to be sadly disappointed when they face big teams like the Bucks or Lakers. They better hope Chandler has something left in the tank when they face them.

Though I like the look of Russ and Harden, heard the Rox offense is somewhat worse than with CP3 because Russ can't shoot 3s, Russ has stopped taking them shooting 6 a game when he first joined the team but has shot less than 10 the last 4 so the final verdict isn't in on this trade this season.
 
BTW, the Capela trade was widely rumored along with Covington being a player they wanted to spread the floor with his 3 pt shooting and he is a great defender having made the all NBA defensive team. Maybe not such a bad move for the Rox given Capela's lack of versatility on the offensive end.

Reading the ESPN critique of the trade and the Rox can spend 12M, 5.8 without going over the tax and will be looking for C help and buyouts after the deadline. Jordan Bell was also part of the deal and will help with D in the post.
 
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Just read on Woj?s Twitter that this 4 team deal was the most expansive NBA trade since Patrick Ewing got traded away by the Knicks in 2000.
 
Just read on Woj’s Twitter that this 4 team deal was the most expansive NBA trade since Patrick Ewing got traded away by the Knicks in 2000.
Thats what you get when you have creative, competent front offices. Reading the critique of the Capela Covington deal, the average fans opinion of trading away a guy like Capela isn't favorable but reading about the analytics of the deal it's a lot more favorable with Covington having more impact than Capela would if he remains healthy. Knicks I think managed their trades and acquisitions more on feel and gut rather than analytics, I'd like to see a different approach with the next front office with more analytics.
 
Thats what you get when you have creative, competent front offices. Reading the critique of the Capela Covington deal, the average fans opinion of trading away a guy like Capela isn't favorable but reading about the analytics of the deal it's a lot more favorable with Covington having more impact than Capela would if he remains healthy. Knicks I think managed their trades and acquisitions more on feel and gut rather than analytics, I'd like to see a different approach with the next front office with more analytics.

Morey scares the heck out of me with the moves he makes. Someone else made the point about how Houston is going to get absolutely shredded if they go against AD or Jokic in the playoffs.
 
I don?t like this agent search direction. To me, you look at Presti or wait a Year for Masai.

Screw Paul. If he wanted NY, then he should?ve steered LJ here.

Screw Kleiman. See above.

Screw CAA.

Agent in La a disaster. Kobe?s agent lucked out LJ wanted to live in Los Angeles.

GSW a unique situation, and that agent didn?t build that team, right?

Presti or Masai or Buford?
 
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