Both of your posts were excellent. You make good points, Mafra. What you mentioned about Winslow playing well as a PF is what Fran Frischilla said in his interview with Micheal Kay on ESPN radio. You also made a key point that all players will be good so getting the best available player should take priority over the triangle and need. Then the question is who is the best player? Is it mudiay, porzingis? We should also draft someone that can start in year one in my opinion.Winslow has great body control... I don't recall him getting called for a charge... for a guy who drove to the hoop a lot. He can shoot, pass, dribble, and would be a great fit in the triangle. I watched every Duke game. He plays defense and all that... he had his ups-downs, slumps and highs... I would be concerned about his athleticism... and question how his game translates b/c he was at his best when he played the PF... the bigs couldn't guard him... He wont play PF in the NBA tho... SO, this decision will boil down to his tryout when we gauge his jump shot.
Just remember this: Mudiay had 15 points & 6 assists in 21 minutes (2014 McDonald's All-American Game)... Winslow (and Towns) didn't score double digits (Okafor was MVP). There was a reason why Okafor-Mudiay were the most coveted-touted 2 players in recruiting...
Winslow and Towns played on teams with 6-7 other blue chip All-Americans, and played against inferior competition most games.
Let's not get married to selecting players because of the Knicks playing the triangle offense. I see it being scrapped at some point with or without PJ, more likely without PJ, I don't see him lasting the whole 5 years and he has an out option after next season which he'll take if the Knicks have another ****ty year.
The best chance for the triangle offense to work and the knicks to not suck next year is for them to go all in with the pick and get players who works within the system. PJ might leave..... but I'm hoping he doesn't
Anyhow a left handed SG who can drive, use the Eurostep consistently, draw fouls, shoot the 3, moves well without the ball, defend the 1 - 3 spot, and lead the pack in transition and is placed either in the 5 - 7 on all mock draft boards is a great thing. The fact that all those skills match the triangle a lot better than Mudiay (who every analyst says doesn't fit the triangles needs at PG) is why I think he'll move up the 1 to 3 spots (depending on the mock) into the knicks #4 pick.
On top of that triangle aside the knicks need to put 2 way defenders around melo, they need players who can play within a system, and they need good character guys (he went to duke) who know how to win (which he just did in the NCAA). Winslow provides all these things and isn't nearly as big a mystery as Mudiay whose team in China arguably performed better without him playing than with him playing.
i keep saying it... Dont be blinded by the last 12 months... There is a reason why Mudiay was the higher ranked recruit coming out of HS... 1 year doesn't change much... I GUARANTEE if Mudiay played at Duke, and Winslow in China, nobody would be hyping Winslow over Mudiay.
i notice, in your posted highlights, there's no reference to his underwhelming FT shooting... He shot 64% from the charity strip... His game seemed more based on his strength in college... That wont play in the nba as much... Derrick Williams had a great tourny game vs Duke, while at Az... Drafted high... He stinks. Point is, dont be fooled by what happens Feb- March as the 'end all, be all' sign of whats to come.
with that said, I wouldnt mind JW as long as our people drafted him believing he is the better player, not bc he is the better fit for our system. Winslow comes with a major bust risk... Isnt overly athletic, not known for his shooting, kind of came and went last year. There's little risk involved with Mudiay... And... He is the higher ceiling player...
now, if I bring Winslow in and believe the shooting he displayed at the end of last year was legit, and I believe in his heart and offensive potential... I would happily draft him... Why? B/c he sort of reminds me of a slightly smaller version of scottie pippen.
i keep saying it... Dont be blinded by the last 12 months... There is a reason why Mudiay was the higher ranked recruit coming out of HS... 1 year doesn't change much... I GUARANTEE if Mudiay played at Duke, and Winslow in China, nobody would be hyping Winslow over Mudiay.
i notice, in your posted highlights, there's no reference to his underwhelming FT shooting... He shot 64% from the charity strip... His game seemed more based on his strength in college... That wont play in the nba as much... Derrick Williams had a great tourny game vs Duke, while at Az... Drafted high... He stinks. Point is, dont be fooled by what happens Feb- March as the 'end all, be all' sign of whats to come.
with that said, I wouldnt mind JW as long as our people drafted him believing he is the better player, not bc he is the better fit for our system. Winslow comes with a major bust risk... Isnt overly athletic, not known for his shooting, kind of came and went last year. There's little risk involved with Mudiay... And... He is the higher ceiling player...
now, if I bring Winslow in and believe the shooting he displayed at the end of last year was legit, and I believe in his heart and offensive potential... I would happily draft him... Why? B/c he sort of reminds me of a slightly smaller version of scottie pippen.
Let's not get married to selecting players because of the Knicks playing the triangle offense. I see it being scrapped at some point with or without PJ, more likely without PJ, I don't see him lasting the whole 5 years and he has an out option after next season which he'll take if the Knicks have another ****ty year.
The New York Knicks have the intriguing distinction of owning the No. 4 overall selection in the 2015 NBA Draft. That likely means New York will miss out on the Top 3 prospects, but it’ll have a chance to land a star-caliber player of its own if it scouts well.
According to Chad Ford of ESPN Insider, the Knicks are beginning to believe that player is Duke Blue Devils star and NCAA Tournament hero Justise Winslow
Winslow was a star of the 2015 NCAA Tournament, averaging 14.3 points, 9.3 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.7 blocks and 1.5 steals per game. He did so while shooting 50.9 percent from the field and 57.1 percent from 3-point range.
The end result was Winslow helping Duke win the national championship.
Winslow has thus jumped into the Top 5 conversation as a powerful athlete who can shoot, handle the ball, facilitate, defend multiple positions and crash the boards. Standing at 6’6.5″ and 222 pounds with a 6’10.25″ wingspan, Winslow has the physical tools to play either the 2 or 3.
It doesn’t hurt that he’s friendly with Knicks franchise player Carmelo Anthony.
All the articles on Winslow freshman performance are getting me scared of Philly 76ers selecting Winslow at the 3rd pick.
Read the article below on dailyKnicks.com by Maxwell Ogden
Russell would be a great look for the knicks though if he falls because he has proven court vision and high BBIQ, can shoot, and passes well from the perimeter. Mudiay doesn't have any one particular high level skill but is full of "potential" based on how he played in the CBA where they play no defense and high school.
I ask myself .. is Mudiay the big combo-guard for the 76ers?
Or is Russell the big combo-guard for the 7ers?
Yes .. I want the 76ers to select one of the above PG with the 3rd pick.
The Knicks need vet PG from Trades and FA in the offseason .. we already have a young combo-guard Galloway, and a young big-guard in Thanis (Ariza) to defend 3 position.
Great find Wargames....we are a slow half court team and that video shows that Winslow can be effective in a half court offense. I also loved how the commentators explained how he always makes the big shot. We need guys with balls in NY...Winslow might be a perfect fit for NY...which means drafting him will either put Hardaway back to his ideal 6th man role or makes him even more tradeable
Video of Winslow in the half court offense.
He's pretty creative and even though he played PF he acted more like a SG/SF with his driving ability. His jumper needs consistency burns shot 41 percent from downtown so he has the tools to be very effective on offense.has winslow ever played shooting guard which is where he would play with knicks unless melo moved to 4? he just needs to work on his jumper and offensive creativity
Knicks came away w/a positive feeling for Winslow after Monday's workout & he's "definitely in play" right now for NYK at No. 4, per sources