NBA Transactions Thread

[Broadway]

Good article, lol "Is there a hue and cry from other teams for Jose in a trade possibility?” Knicks PresidentPhil Jackson said Wednesday. “No, there hasn’t been…And we’re not out selling Jose stickers to passing cars.”

A lot of PG's were moved yesterday but Phil could not trade Calderon, I thought someone would take him because he's a 3 pt sniper and takes care of the balll but the combination of his defense, contract and age made him unattractive to teams it seems.

And if a team would trade for a 37yr old point guard and give up 2 picks for him, but not willing to take on a point guard who has a greater body of work that comes with efficiency who is younger, tells you all you need to know about Jose.

Why do fans try and sell Jose and Melo as some potential power threat? Both getting older and breaking down. While it's good Phil has something to work with we can't go back to the future projecting the 54win team unto our current situation. The league did not stay static from 2yrs ago. Teams have made some incredible moves since then, some have far more assets than we have to work with. Certainly most teams have far better talent. From the 11 trades 39body count movement yesterday many of the players had major free agency implications which has lessened our leverage.

We won't be in the running for pretty much all of them involved in those trades and we have very little juice to land the higher caliber remaining ones. Phil will have to be very creative and think outside the box going forward. We probably won't see any significant results until another 2yrs at best.

 

[htr10]

And if a team would trade for a 37yr old point guard and give up 2 picks for him, but not willing to take on a point guard who has a greater body of work that comes with efficiency who is younger, tells you all you need to know about Jose.

Why do fans try and sell Jose and Melo as some potential power threat? Both getting older and breaking down. While it's good Phil has something to work with we can't go back to the future projecting the 54win team unto our current situation. The league did not stay static from 2yrs ago. Teams have made some incredible moves since then, some have far more assets than we have to work with. Certainly most teams have far better talent. From the 11 trades 39body count movement yesterday many of the players had major free agency implications which has lessened our leverage.

We won't be in the running for pretty much all of them involved in those trades and we have very little juice to land the higher caliber remaining ones. Phil will have to be very creative and think outside the box going forward. We probably won't see any significant results until another 2yrs at best.

I'm to starting to read and hear this more and more about the Knicks that fans need to start thinking about the 2016-2017 season as when to maybe expect something positive from this team. If that's the case then Calderon may become irrelevant because he may be nothing more than an expiring contract by then, if still on the team, and who knows what kind of player Melo will be by that time. Things will look so much better by this time next year if we get what looks like a franchise cornerstone out of this coming draft, but that's easier said than done.

 

[Kiyaman]

And if a team would trade for a 37yr old point guard and give up 2 picks for him, but not willing to take on a point guard who has a greater body of work that comes with efficiency who is younger, tells you all you need to know about Jose.

Why do fans try and sell Jose and Melo as some potential power threat? Both getting older and breaking down. While it's good Phil has something to work with we can't go back to the future projecting the 54win team unto our current situation. The league did not stay static from 2yrs ago. Teams have made some incredible moves since then, some have far more assets than we have to work with. Certainly most teams have far better talent. From the 11 trades 39body count movement yesterday many of the players had major free agency implications which has lessened our leverage.

We won't be in the running for pretty much all of them involved in those trades and we have very little juice to land the higher caliber remaining ones. Phil will have to be very creative and think outside the box going forward. We probably won't see any significant results until another 2yrs at best.

Im still trying to figure out which of owner Dolan trades made the Knicks LOSERS of losers?
1) The trade of center Patrick Ewing?
2) The trade of centers Camby and Nene?
3) The trade of center Tyson Chandler?

The Knicks president/GM had nothing to do with the above trades at that time.
Calderon has proved that his all around talent is a step under Felton's talent.

 

[Wargames]

Odds are after this FA (maybe even next years deadline) when the knicks reach the cap they will look again to see if they can unload Calderon for a contract of a more useful roleplayer that might be longer than his in return for his shorter one. If you look at his career these are usually the deals made involving Calderon. Also his contract will look a lot better to the whole league because the cap will be going up.

Calderon isn't even that bad of a contract now, the problem is the knicks wanted to trade him either in part for a superior player like dragic or for an expiring contract. This fact doesn't help us now, but its something to keep in mind.

 

[Kiyaman]

I think JAX decided to keep Melo b/c he realized NYK have plenty of cap space this summer, and he anticipates the cap dramatically going up in 2016... so Melo's cap hit in 2015,2016, 2017, & 2018 not a factor, one way or another. Having him on the roster makes it easier to rebuild via free agent route, while not hindering rebuilding if we fail to land free agents (see this season). I think Dolan left decision up to Phil, but voiced his opinion... and since losing Melo for little in return...IDK?

Maybe this is why he held on to Calderon. Hoping her lures his buddy Gasol to come to NY?

Dolan hired Phil Jackson for $60M (to save-face) by keeping his Golden Boy Carmelo Anthony on the Knicks at any price Melo ask for. Melo new $124M contract came with half the salary in advance, thats a helluva signing bonus.

Remember during the 2011 deadline when owner Dolan personally made the trip to Denver to trade for Carmelo Anthony, the Knicks president Donnie Walsh did not want his name involved in the Melo-trade.

Owner Cuban would have traded Calderon's contract for just Felton contract, after watching the Spurs Parker/Ginobli tease at all Calderon weakness in the first round playoff series last season.
Remember .. the 10-43 Knicks had a 4-10 record at the start of the season without Calderon in the rotation.
The Knicks don't have a bigman coach on their staff to lure Gasol to NY.

Good article over at the knicksblog.com... Knicks on 50+ games 2years ago. Melo the only player that remains... I knew a lot of that team's success built around vets (Kidd, Camby, Martin, Wallace, & Thomas) who were leaders... Still, hard to fathom that NYK mis-management flipped TC, Felton, JR, Shump, Novak, Priggs, Copeland, & Brewer and all they have to show for that moving .. NOTHING!

(1) Lost their 20176 1st pick & 2nd rounder in 2017 (for Bargnani);
(2) 3 2nd round picks to replace picks given away.
(3) Calderon, Early, Acy, & Greek freak 2, maybe LThomas & L Amundsun.
(4) Meanwhile, dumping 2015 commitments to Felton, JR, & Priggs for Calderson only saved NYK 5 mil in cap space... BUT... 11 mil wasn't a lock b/c Felton and JR have player options.

All in all, Phil showed zero patience. NYK didtnt gain enough... might have even added 5 mil instead. Who says those player pick up their options? Or we couldn't dump them as expiring deals this July?

HERE'S that article:

The Knicksadded more draft picks by trading Pablo Prigioni on Thursday than they did whenthey let J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert go to the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Let that onesink in for a moment.
In dealing the37-year-old Prigioni to the Houston Rockets, the Knicks added second-roundpicks in 2017 and 2019.
Draft picks arealways nice, although first-rounders are obviously much more valuable thansecond-rounders.
What did theKnicks get from Cleveland in exchange for Smith and Shumpert, two pieces whocould help LeBron and company challenge for an NBA title?
Cap relief,a second-round pick in 2019, two trade exceptions and several marginalplayers who won?t factor into the team?s long-term plans.
The TysonChandler deal, meantime, looks worse and worse every day, especially after thetrade deadline passed without the Knicks getting anything in exchange for JoseCalderon, whom the Knicks acquired in the Chandler deal, along with ShaneLarkin and Sam Dalembert, neither of whom will be on the team next season.
?Is there a hueand cry from other teams for Jose in a trade possibility?? Knicks PresidentPhil Jackson said Wednesday. ?No, there hasn?t been?And we?re not out sellingJose sticker to passing cars.?
The Knicks didget two 2014 second-round picks in the Chandler deal, which they used onCleanthony Early (who has yet to prove he?s a solid rotation player)and Thanasis Antetokounmpo (a project who?s still in the D-League butcould soon be brought up).
If the Knicksstill had Chandler, perhaps they could have packaged him in a deal (along withCalderon and Tim Hardaway Jr.) for impending free agent Goran Dragic, who willarrive at Madison Square Garden tonight in a Miami Heat uniform.
So to sum up:The Knicks didn?t get a single first-round pick in exchange for Chandler,a recent Defensive Player of the Year winner, Smith, a recent Sixth Man of theYear winner, and Shumpert, a promising young defensive player.
The Knicksstill don?t have a first- or second-round pick in 2016 (but they do have AndreaBargnani, so there?s that.)
They also don?tcurrently have a second-round pick in 2015.
So whileJackson has created about $30 million in cap space with his recent flurry oftrades, the Knicks still have only one first-round pick until 2017.
By contrast,the Celtics? Danny Ainge acquired eight players, three first-round picks and apair of second-round picks in five trades dating back to last July.
All of thisunderscores how critical the Knicks first-round pick this year will be.
They currentlyhave the worst record in the NBA (10-43) and a 25 percent chance to land theNo. 1 pick, projected to be Duke?s Jahlil OKafor.
The Knicks needjust about everything going forward, so even if they don?t get Okafor, theycould still do well to land a point guard like Emmanuel Mudiay, now playing inChina, or Kentucky big man Karl-Anthony Towns of New Jersey, who some believe has a higher upside than Okafor.
?I will go outand see some [college] games in the last part of the season here,? Jackson saidWednesday.
Imagine whatthe future could hold for the Knicks if they had added a few more first-roundpicks.

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Adam Zagoria isa Basketball Insider for SNY.tv. You can follow him on Twitter.

The Future dont look bright for the Knicks

 

[Kiyaman]

People forget that even when the Knicks drafted Ewing they had a below .300 record his first couple of years and he was a senior when the Knicks drafted him. Kids today come out at 19 so it probably takes a few more years before they're NBA ready.

Phil by signing Melo and giving him a no trade clause has boxed himself in, he's got to make a big splash in FA esp with no number one pick next year and the need to accelerate the rebuild in Melo's prime years.

To get the Knicks to Tank the 1984-85 season to get a Lottery Ball, the Knicks 20-10 Bill Cartwright and the Knicks 50 point man Bernard King were out with injury the entire 1984-85 season. When the Knicks lottery-ball drop to the first pick in the 1985 draft .. The NBA FANS went beserk calling the NBA lottery-ball a FIX. The thought of the Knicks adding 7.0 Patrick Ewing with 7.0 Bill Cartwright, and 6.9 Bernard King was to much for NBA FANS to accept (The Yankees).
However, Dolan sold us Knicks fans out after the three season of double / triple the price of tickets from the Bernard King 50 point performance on any given night, by keeping Bernard King and Bill Cartwright on the Knicks injured list throughout Patrick Ewing first two seasons in the NBA.
This made Patrick Ewing offensive talent his first two season in the NBA a "LOSER-center" that can't close out a game for a win.
Thanks to Bill Cartwright return in Ewing 3rd season to teach Ewing the basic moves of a NBA center in a pick n roll, and low post-up moves to get to the foul line for 3 pt plays.
Patrick Ewing was upset that the Knicks cut his Georgetown PG-Micheal Jackson ( Knicks pick in 1986) twice after the preseason games. And signed St.Johns PG Mark Jackson (Knicks pick in 1987) who won the ROY (12 dimes ppg) following the team leadership of Bill Cartwright.

If the Knicks do draft Okafor .. the Knicks don't have bigman-coach on their staff to teach Okafor the basics of NBA ball, so the triangle is out. Nor do the Knicks have a veteran-BIG player to tutor Okafor in a lineup throughout his rookie season.
Plus will the young raw combo-guard Galloway be the Knicks best PG next season too???

 

[mafra]

Im still trying to figure out which of owner Dolan trades made the Knicks LOSERS of losers?
1) The trade of center Patrick Ewing?
2) The trade of centers Camby and Nene?
3) The trade of center Tyson Chandler?

The Knicks president/GM had nothing to do with the above trades at that time.
Calderon has proved that his all around talent is a step under Felton's talent.

The Ewing trade was shortsighted and it got the ball rolling, the Camby trade illustrated how petty our owner is, and the Nene trade proved how desperate and clueless the brain trust was...

the TC deal by accident is best thing for the team bc it brought a top lottery pick. A possible savior!

but... By far... 2 worst deals were giving Zach Randolph away for nothing.... And... Number one... Trading for Eddy Curry... We handed CHi the top pick folks... J Noah!

we could still feature a Ariza-Randolph-Lee-Noah lineup... Does that win an nba title? Perhaps...

 

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[Kiyaman]

The Nuggets management is slow an incompetent .... Annucha/Isiah/Dolan mismanagement.
Brian Shaw should've been FIRED last season when he personally gave Andre Miller a DNP.
Stopping Andre Miller 10 year consecutive game played, after the DNP on Miller the Nuggets roster showed no effort or interest in winning. That move prove head-coach Brian Shaw were a pure aassh-hole!
Andre Miller was the Denver Nuggets best assistant coach in a uniform.

 

[CoolClyde]

^agreed, Brian Shaw was a horrible coach, no sense of unity or cohesiveness on that team.

season's over for them anyway, who gives a sh*t, who gives a f*ck?

 

[tiger0330]

Never understood why you would fire Karl a former coach of the year with over 1,000 wins. I think he would have been better for the Knicks because DFish may be another Brian Shaw and Brian Shaw was supposedly a hot shot assistant who couldn't miss as a head coach.

 

[Kiyaman]

I think JAX decided to keep Melo b/c he realized NYK have plenty of cap space this summer, and he anticipates the cap dramatically going up in 2016... so Melo's cap hit in 2015,2016, 2017, & 2018 not a factor, one way or another. Having him on the roster makes it easier to rebuild via free agent route, while not hindering rebuilding if we fail to land free agents (see this season). I think Dolan left decision up to Phil, but voiced his opinion... and since losing Melo for little in return...IDK?

Maybe this is why he held on to Calderon. Hoping her lures his buddy Gasol to come to NY?

The decision to give Melo a $125M MAX 5 year contract with a NO-Trade-Clause, plus half the salary in advance $$$
For a GM President to give a max salary to a proven super-star is understandable, like:
MJ and Pippin after their 3rd Ring deserve a $125M MAX contract.
Kobe and Shaq after their 3rd Ring deserve a $125M MAX contract.
Duncan and D.Wade after their 3rd Ring deserve a $125M MAX contract.
Lebron, Durant, and Westbrook 5 years of sell-out crowds in opponents stadium deserve $125M MAX contracts.
Melo bringing 80% sell-out crowds on a small-market Denver Nuggets team did not deserve or earn the max salary.
So Knicks GM President is a "IDIOT", Alzheimer candidate, or a sell-out for agreeing to Melo's new max deal.
Especially, when next offseason the Knicks GM president would have over 80% of the 2015-16 salary-cap to spend on winning players to build a team.
Melo history of selfishness does not earn him a MAX contract.
Carmelo Anthony public announcement of going FA at the start of the season .. This type of act Melo did on the Denver Nuggets, then again on the Knicks .. are a selfish act that leave coaches and teammates disturb throughout a season.
Melo's 10 year career does not have enough postseason wins to receive 70% of a MAX deal.

The only type of player that could lure a 30 yr old Mark Gasol to their team will be a 20-10 PF younger than Zach Randolph.

 

[Broadway]

Forgot Phil got in trouble with Fisher, which speaks to what I said before. Shame of Phil for going there knowing how sensitive the league is in these areas. Oh well.

 

[Broadway]

The Bucks trade should have been placed here....please merge if possible mods.

Maybe the title can say....


"NBA Transactions-Trades Thread"

 

[Broadway]

 

[Kiyaman]

Stephenson has been dealt to the Clippers in exchange for Spencer Hawes and Matt Barnes ....

Doc Rivers three yr Clippers roster (avg 56 win team) has just receive the missing player for their contender-rotation a combo SF/SG wing Lance Stephenson to avg 12 pts, 4 ast, 5 rbd, and relentless-defense to combine with CP3 & DeAndre Jordan. Lance has to replace Matt Barnes defense on elite wings/guards, annd leadership among teammates/staff .. I guess that will be coach Woodson full-time job lol

 

[tiger0330]

Stephenson has been dealt to the Clippers in exchange for Spencer Hawes and Matt Barnes ....

Doc Rivers three yr Clippers roster (avg 56 win team) has just receive the missing player for their contender-rotation a combo SF/SG wing Lance Stephenson to avg 12 pts, 4 ast, 5 rbd, and relentless-defense to combine with CP3 & DeAndre Jordan. Lance has to replace Matt Barnes defense on elite wings/guards, annd leadership among teammates/staff .. I guess that will be coach Woodson full-time job lol

Good trade for both teams, the Clips couldn't wait to get rid of Hawes and the Hornets couldn't wait to get rid of Stephenson. Matt Barnes gets cut by the Hornets and then re-signs with the Clips and everything is good.

 

[Broadway]

Good trade for both teams, the Clips couldn't wait to get rid of Hawes and the Hornets couldn't wait to get rid of Stephenson. Matt Barnes gets cut by the Hornets and then re-signs with the Clips and everything is good.

New CBA rules in effect...Barnes can't resign with Clips until a yr from now.