Game thread: New York Knicks @ New Orleans Pelicans 10/30/2021 7:00pm [Game #6]
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Can a 280 lb NBA player who has a 40 inch vertical avoid leg and foot injuries and have his career short circuited by them. The jury is still out but the Pels have plenty to be worried about.
Not an easy win. Fell asleep after halftime, watched the re-run the moment i woke up. At one point i was sure the game was going into overtime but we lived again with the three pointers. 19-33, that's impressive but i'm curios for how long will the Knicks still be able to maintain this rhythm.
BTW, RunningJumper posted his first piece on the front page, the broadcasting recap. It's very fun, hope you'll enjoy it as much as i did: https://www.knicksonline.com/recaps/knicks-at-pelicans-msg-broadcast-recap.html
BTW, RunningJumper posted his first piece on the front page, the broadcasting recap. It's very fun, hope you'll enjoy it as much as i did: https://www.knicksonline.com/recaps/knicks-at-pelicans-msg-broadcast-recap.html
mafra
Legend
Rose said he worked on his 3-point shot during the offseason. We swapped out RB and EP for Kemba and Evan and we are seeing Randle and RJ continue to grow?.
Toss in Thibbs and coaching preaching space, pace, and 3-ball threat?.
In hoops, often you improve your defense by improving your offense.
I didn?t think Randle?s play last your was sustainable and he proved me wrong. I think this is our identity on offense: depth and the 3-ball, with a defensive-minded backbone. RJ and Mitch locking it down!
Toss in Thibbs and coaching preaching space, pace, and 3-ball threat?.
In hoops, often you improve your defense by improving your offense.
I didn?t think Randle?s play last your was sustainable and he proved me wrong. I think this is our identity on offense: depth and the 3-ball, with a defensive-minded backbone. RJ and Mitch locking it down!
mafra
Legend
Barrett led the Knicks in the three main box score categories with a career-high 35 points, 8 rebounds, and 5 assists, making 12 of his 18 shots from the field, 6 of 8 three point attempts, and 5 of 6 free throws.
Yes! Even against a ?bottom-feeder? this was an impressive performance. Dude is only 21! Wait until he?s 25. Crazy some
NYK fans still prefer Dotson over young Rowan!
Yes! Even against a ?bottom-feeder? this was an impressive performance. Dude is only 21! Wait until he?s 25. Crazy some
NYK fans still prefer Dotson over young Rowan!
Excellent piece by RJ. I missed it because I stopped reading the main page, I go right to the Knicks forum. I’ll be checking the main page every game for the media recap. I hope work like this attracts fans to the best Knicks BBS in the world.
mafra
Legend
Good article on our newfound three point prowess
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...ntinuing-their-new-found-3-point-prowess/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...ntinuing-their-new-found-3-point-prowess/amp/
Heard Breen and Clyde say the question is whether they can keep up this hot 3 pt shooting and while shooting 57% like they did in the Pels game is not likely. I don’t see why they can’t maintain their 40% season average esp if RJ improves over last season’s pct. Also still waiting for Quick to get untracked
Article in The Athletic about the 3 pt shooting and whether it can be sustained. Better personnel, more guys that can make the pull up 3 off the dribble all bode well for record 3 pt shooting this season.
Kemba Walker finally inspired his first Madison Square Garden moment of the season:
A stepback with 4 minutes to go in the second quarter of Tuesday’s win over the 76ers. Then a minute later, a 3-pointer from the right wing. Then another midrange shot. And finally, a pull-up jumper connecting for another triple.
The Knicks’ lead surged to 17 points over one of the Eastern Conference’s toughest teams. The crowd roared for Walker, who is a native New Yorker — a fun fact anyone around the Knicks is quick to remind you of.
“I was waiting for that moment,” Walker said after the 112-99 victory, which pumped the Knicks to 3-1 on the season. “It was the kind of moment I dreamed of when I was a young kid wanting to be in the NBA, watching the Knicks play, coming to a Knicks game and seeing how the crowd goes crazy. That was a great moment for me.”
The Knicks were waiting for it, too, and not just because Walker, who finished with 19 points, was overdue for his first explosion at the Garden. This team signed the 31-year-old believing he could infuse an off-the-dribble element that it lacked a season ago. On Tuesday, that new skill was displayed more than in any other game — including Friday’s in Orlando, when Walker drained a couple of pull-up 3s at the start.
A sprier Walker showed up against the Sixers, evident from the first bucket of the night when the point guard swerved into the lane to find RJ Barrett in the corner for a wide-open 3.
There is an obvious theme to all of this: pull-up 3s, corner 3s, spot-up 3s. Tons of 3s. All over. The Knicks can’t stop, won’t stop taking them.
Now, they have modified their DNA. And at no point was that more apparent than during Tuesday’s second-quarter run. They have unloaded deep balls dating back to the first preseason game. Just imagine how much more effective the shelling can get if Walker, who struggled for the first three regular-season games, plays as he did against Philadelphia.
He hoisted 11 3-pointers against the Sixers and made five of them. The Knicks, meanwhile, shot 16 of 37, a season low in attempts. Through four games, they’re following through on their preseason promise to sling more 3s. They’re second in the NBA in attempts per game (46.0, up from 30.0 a season ago), and they’re sinking a respectable 38 percent of those looks.
But is the barrage a mirage? Only 34.7 percent of the Knicks’ shots last season came from beyond the arc, 24th in the league. Through four games this season, that ratio has jolted to 48.4 percent, second in the NBA. Can this be sustained?
The Knicks believe so.
The personnel has changed. And so has the philosophy.
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Julius Randle and the Knicks are firing lots of 3-point shots this season. (Dennis Schneidler / USA Today Sports)
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Even after Sunday’s disappointing loss to the Magic, a defeat that Julius Randle said made him “sick” and kept him up until 4 a.m., the Knicks backed their shot selection. They chucked 48 3-pointers in that game, and players came to the same conclusion: they didn’t compete with enough energy. Yet, Thibodeau still “felt we got good shots,” he said.
They created open, stand-still 3s. They just didn’t make them.
Still, this group believes in its process.
The Knicks are easing into 3s. The spot-ups are coming often after someone like Walker, Randle or Barrett swivels to the middle and then sprays to the outside. They’re shooting 26.5 catch-and-shoot 3-pointers a game, sixth in the league, up from 25th last season.
But the real change has come with the new signees, Walker and Evan Fournier, who flaunt an off-the-dribble verve that last season’s group couldn’t boast. The Knicks are shooting the most pull-up 3s in the NBA: 19 a game, according to data-tracking site Second Spectrum. No Knicks player fires off the bounce more than Walker, yet six others also have free rein to take those shots from deep: Fournier, Randle, Barrett, Derrick Rose, Immanuel Quickleyand Alec Burks. Last season, only three players — Quickley, Randle and Burks — held that privilege.
“I think it’s important for everyone,” Thibodeau said. “We saw it last year, (what) the value of the 3 added to Julius’ game. … What we’re seeing in the NBA today is the premium that’s put on shooting.”
So, is this small sample representative of something that will continue?
In some ways, no. Half of the Knicks’ games have come against the Magic, whose defenders close out as if they’re on balance beams. One of those Orlando soir?es included a 24 of 54 beatdown from deep, a single-game franchise record for both makes and attempts, which skews the early-season numbers.
But the Knicks have clearly reprioritized their offense. And parts of this, especially the new off-the-dribble feature, don’t seem so flukish. Walker and Fournier are shooting more pull-up 3s than any other Knicks — at 4.3 and 3.5 a game, respectively — but this isn’t new for them. Their current volume is in line with last season’s. It’s one of the reasons they’re in New York.
Do you want a drastic change in style? Think about it like this: Walker and Fournier have coupled to take 31 pull-up 3s through four games. Their incumbents, Elfrid Payton and Reggie Bullock, combined for 40 all of last season.
Priorities have changed. The Knicks are now hunting 3s, not settling for them. They’re flinging them off the dribble when they could look for another play instead. They’re unleashing them early in possessions. They’ve nearly doubled the amount of 3s a night they’re taking with 15 or more seconds remaining on the shot clock. About 30 percent of their deep balls are coming less than 10 seconds into a possession.
These aren’t aw-shucks 3s. They are prey. The Knicks are stalking them. That’s why even if heaving 46 3s a game is ambitious, a significant leap from last season’s average is realistic.
It’s not preseason anymore. The Knicks aren’t merely making lame claims that they want more 3s, like just about every team asserts in training camp. Games that matter have begun, and this team is proving it.
Kemba Walker finally inspired his first Madison Square Garden moment of the season:
A stepback with 4 minutes to go in the second quarter of Tuesday’s win over the 76ers. Then a minute later, a 3-pointer from the right wing. Then another midrange shot. And finally, a pull-up jumper connecting for another triple.
The Knicks’ lead surged to 17 points over one of the Eastern Conference’s toughest teams. The crowd roared for Walker, who is a native New Yorker — a fun fact anyone around the Knicks is quick to remind you of.
“I was waiting for that moment,” Walker said after the 112-99 victory, which pumped the Knicks to 3-1 on the season. “It was the kind of moment I dreamed of when I was a young kid wanting to be in the NBA, watching the Knicks play, coming to a Knicks game and seeing how the crowd goes crazy. That was a great moment for me.”
The Knicks were waiting for it, too, and not just because Walker, who finished with 19 points, was overdue for his first explosion at the Garden. This team signed the 31-year-old believing he could infuse an off-the-dribble element that it lacked a season ago. On Tuesday, that new skill was displayed more than in any other game — including Friday’s in Orlando, when Walker drained a couple of pull-up 3s at the start.
A sprier Walker showed up against the Sixers, evident from the first bucket of the night when the point guard swerved into the lane to find RJ Barrett in the corner for a wide-open 3.
There is an obvious theme to all of this: pull-up 3s, corner 3s, spot-up 3s. Tons of 3s. All over. The Knicks can’t stop, won’t stop taking them.
Now, they have modified their DNA. And at no point was that more apparent than during Tuesday’s second-quarter run. They have unloaded deep balls dating back to the first preseason game. Just imagine how much more effective the shelling can get if Walker, who struggled for the first three regular-season games, plays as he did against Philadelphia.
He hoisted 11 3-pointers against the Sixers and made five of them. The Knicks, meanwhile, shot 16 of 37, a season low in attempts. Through four games, they’re following through on their preseason promise to sling more 3s. They’re second in the NBA in attempts per game (46.0, up from 30.0 a season ago), and they’re sinking a respectable 38 percent of those looks.
But is the barrage a mirage? Only 34.7 percent of the Knicks’ shots last season came from beyond the arc, 24th in the league. Through four games this season, that ratio has jolted to 48.4 percent, second in the NBA. Can this be sustained?
The Knicks believe so.
The personnel has changed. And so has the philosophy.
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Even after Sunday’s disappointing loss to the Magic, a defeat that Julius Randle said made him “sick” and kept him up until 4 a.m., the Knicks backed their shot selection. They chucked 48 3-pointers in that game, and players came to the same conclusion: they didn’t compete with enough energy. Yet, Thibodeau still “felt we got good shots,” he said.
They created open, stand-still 3s. They just didn’t make them.
Still, this group believes in its process.
The Knicks are easing into 3s. The spot-ups are coming often after someone like Walker, Randle or Barrett swivels to the middle and then sprays to the outside. They’re shooting 26.5 catch-and-shoot 3-pointers a game, sixth in the league, up from 25th last season.
But the real change has come with the new signees, Walker and Evan Fournier, who flaunt an off-the-dribble verve that last season’s group couldn’t boast. The Knicks are shooting the most pull-up 3s in the NBA: 19 a game, according to data-tracking site Second Spectrum. No Knicks player fires off the bounce more than Walker, yet six others also have free rein to take those shots from deep: Fournier, Randle, Barrett, Derrick Rose, Immanuel Quickleyand Alec Burks. Last season, only three players — Quickley, Randle and Burks — held that privilege.
“I think it’s important for everyone,” Thibodeau said. “We saw it last year, (what) the value of the 3 added to Julius’ game. … What we’re seeing in the NBA today is the premium that’s put on shooting.”
So, is this small sample representative of something that will continue?
In some ways, no. Half of the Knicks’ games have come against the Magic, whose defenders close out as if they’re on balance beams. One of those Orlando soir?es included a 24 of 54 beatdown from deep, a single-game franchise record for both makes and attempts, which skews the early-season numbers.
But the Knicks have clearly reprioritized their offense. And parts of this, especially the new off-the-dribble feature, don’t seem so flukish. Walker and Fournier are shooting more pull-up 3s than any other Knicks — at 4.3 and 3.5 a game, respectively — but this isn’t new for them. Their current volume is in line with last season’s. It’s one of the reasons they’re in New York.
Do you want a drastic change in style? Think about it like this: Walker and Fournier have coupled to take 31 pull-up 3s through four games. Their incumbents, Elfrid Payton and Reggie Bullock, combined for 40 all of last season.
Priorities have changed. The Knicks are now hunting 3s, not settling for them. They’re flinging them off the dribble when they could look for another play instead. They’re unleashing them early in possessions. They’ve nearly doubled the amount of 3s a night they’re taking with 15 or more seconds remaining on the shot clock. About 30 percent of their deep balls are coming less than 10 seconds into a possession.
These aren’t aw-shucks 3s. They are prey. The Knicks are stalking them. That’s why even if heaving 46 3s a game is ambitious, a significant leap from last season’s average is realistic.
It’s not preseason anymore. The Knicks aren’t merely making lame claims that they want more 3s, like just about every team asserts in training camp. Games that matter have begun, and this team is proving it.
jimkcchief88
All Star
Didn?t get a chance to see this one, but Bulls fans here still mad about our 1 point win Thursday. I only saw RJ?s highlights, but there are posters that need to be eating crow old-school KO.com style starting with ?DumbRaider.? Looks like RJ ?falling? to us at the 3 pick was a blessing! We still need to find the ?closer? this team but its a good problem to have in my book. We have a 10 deep squad fellas this team is going to cause the East in some trouble!.
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jimkcchief88
All Star
I do not know why everytime I type a quotation mark a question mark comes out despite multiple attempts to correct but you guys get the picture.
You would think our 3rd pick RJ Barrett would be our 1st, 2nd, or 3rd option closer after 2 seasons of averaging 30 min per game. RJ Barrett is still on the skeptical list of being a starter, the last two seasons we been getting outscored on in the first quarter 70% of the time. We added Kemba & Fournier's scoring offense to our starter lineup to change our poor start of every game. But the two new players added to the starter lineup has issue problems on how to make defensive stops in the 4th quarter, and crunch-time, so they are skeptical too.
I'm glad RJ finally scored a career high 35 pts, he's been averaging 15 or more shots plus 4 to 5 3-ball shots per game for two seasons.