RunningJumper
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Well we all agree on that. We may want it to come in different ways, but that's what we want.
Game Thread: New York Knicks vs Indiana Pacers 7:30 11/5/2017 [Game #9]
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RunningJumper
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Jrue is overpaid, hasn't been that good, but for their situation, trying to keep Cousins from going elsewhere next summer, keeping AD happy, I think it was a solid move. I read Jrue did well a good portion last season, but the things going with his wife may have effected him. He also has been switched back and forth from SG and PG. Gotta give them more time. Cousins and AD have been KILLING it.
RunningJumper
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I don't want O'Quinn to be traded. He brings grit, energy, and is a young veteran.
Yeah its crazy that the Pels are not more dominant with Cuz and AD. They just squeaked by the Bulls when Rolo missed a bunny hook shot and his put back layup in the final seconds in regulation that sent the game into OT. Rondo was on the bench talking it up with the Pels throughout the game so hes itching to get back. Sports hernia not sure when he cones back from that but they could use some backcourt help.
Cousins and AD are as far away from their problems as Gordon Hayward suiting up for the Celtics next game.
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RunningJumper
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Well it was a back to back. I'm glad they pulled it out even if it took OT.
Rondo might be coming back soon. Nelson has filled in nicely.
mafra
Legend
Me nether but NYK probably have to trade WHG or KOQ to upgrade the wing spot
GordonGecko
Benchwarmer
Thank god we finally dumped that born loser Melo, now he's f'ing up the Thunder with his one dimensional liability. No leadership skills, good riddance
The Knicks future started this year
The Knicks future started this year
I said knicks should have dumped melo long ago and was hated for saying that..
Now I hope I don't get hated for saying this. I think the NY papers are going overboard both in expectations and doom. Lose to the Rockets(who are good) and the papers go nuts. they beat an average team in the pacers and the papers go nuts. LOL
Porzingis is playing well, and the rookie had a good game.. But the knicks have an uphill battle and they need the lottery picks... just look at the studs the sixers have, heck even the bucks...
Its going to be a long season with some ups and downs but this is a 30 win team at best that needs more talent.
Im not sure I even see that, the knicks lack the talent and porzingis although having a good stretch is no Greek freak, not even close. Too few games to even say porzingis has turned any corner. I mean even D'angelo Russel is having a nice season so far, and I think in both cases both players are benefitting from more touches and more opportunities, but the key is consistency and longevity.
The knicks just need more talent which is why I was so upset they didn't move carmelo long ago, should have started the process earlier. for some reason I look at the sixers and the two studs they have, I look at boston and their young talent, and it looks like an uphill battle for the knicks. there is some hope but we need to put in perspective where we are now..
Giannis is not "maybe" a superstar stud. HE IS a STUD, I hate throwing around superstar to any player, but boy he is close right now. The bucks have pieces, parker worries me with his injuries, but they have Brogdon, Middleton and the Thon Maker kid is very talented. Knicks don't have anything close to those other pieces and without multiple high picks, landing that kind of talent is going to take some time, skill and some luck.
I would gladly trade the knicks situation for the bucks right now. No questions asked..
mafra
Legend
What KP is doing now, and thru his first 3 seasons, has rarely ever been seen in the history of the NBA. His ability to block shots, hit 3s, dribble and everything is unique.
Is he the Greek Freak? Well, geez.... if we are debating whether or not KP is the best of the best or just in that all-star mix.... does it matter? Star or superstar?
KP is special. What this means going forward? Who knows. But let's not water down what he's doing and has done so far in his career.
KP is also more of a C (PF/C) while Anty is more of a SF (SG/SF/PF).... its like comparing Bird to Duncan.
MIL has talent but Thon isn't head and shoulders better than Kanter. Not is Brogo light years ahead of Ntikkina.... NY is young too.... THJr, Dotson, WHG.
We can't dwell on the past. Don't underestimate the desire to be great and the heart in KP and Ntikilina. Sure, we are better off with another lottery pick this season.... by if KP is gonna be an mVp player all season.... what can we do?
NY more likely to attract fre agents, with all things equal, than miL.
Is he the Greek Freak? Well, geez.... if we are debating whether or not KP is the best of the best or just in that all-star mix.... does it matter? Star or superstar?
KP is special. What this means going forward? Who knows. But let's not water down what he's doing and has done so far in his career.
KP is also more of a C (PF/C) while Anty is more of a SF (SG/SF/PF).... its like comparing Bird to Duncan.
MIL has talent but Thon isn't head and shoulders better than Kanter. Not is Brogo light years ahead of Ntikkina.... NY is young too.... THJr, Dotson, WHG.
We can't dwell on the past. Don't underestimate the desire to be great and the heart in KP and Ntikilina. Sure, we are better off with another lottery pick this season.... by if KP is gonna be an mVp player all season.... what can we do?
NY more likely to attract fre agents, with all things equal, than miL.
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THIS Kind of post is the perfect example of what I mean by people going overboard..
There is nothing unique about porziging dribbling, he dribbles like a big man who should not be dribbling.. but anyway I see there will be no getting throug to you on this one, especially with you waxing on poetically using phrases like"history of the NBA".. I mean come on man.. Jeez!!
Kanter is a solid player but thon maker is like 19 and right now a more diverse and talented player than Kanter. when healthy a guy like Parker you could argue would be the best player on the knicks, and Brogdon is better than any guard the knicks have now, hands down.. Greek freak is in a different class than porzingis,, sorry man.. why is it so hard to keep things in perspective?
Don't underestimate the desire to be great and the heart in KP and Ntkilina? what kind of comment is that? we can apply that to every single player in the NBA...
again you are setting yourself up for a let down, I just don't get why its so hard to remain objective..
if you feel this way about the knicks players, don't you think fans of teams like the sixers feel the same way? and be more justified, because I tell you now Simmons and Embid are far more talented than any combo the knicks can put together and its not even close...
If we had those two guys would you feel the same way about the knicks talent? honestly?
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mafra
Legend
Not sure what you're getting at... But the stats say otherwise... In terms of his rebounds-blocks-points scored-3-pointers... combined for his first 2 seasons... Never been done...
Porzingis is the ONLY player in NBA history with at least 2,000 points, 1,000 rebs, 250 blocks and 100 made 3's over his first two seasons.
1,000 rebounds, 150 made threes, 100 blocks through 2 seasons --
- LeBron James
- Kristaps Porzingis
"Kristaps Porzingis sought to grab his third straight 30-point game (to solidify himself after Shaq as the second youngest player ever to start a season with three straight 30 point games)."
NO NYK EVER has scored more points through the season's first 9 games than KP (272 total).
I mean, I'm not jumping up and down shouting from the rafters b/c KP is coordinated for his size, or can dribble for a big... I'm applauding the fact that KP is doing the things he's doing, which hasn't been seen often EVER in the NBA.
This doesn't amount to a hill of beans, of course, but let's be honest... The kid keeps silencing his doubters.
He wouldn't produce his rookie year, we were told. Well...
He wouldn't be able to handle being the man sans Melo... Well...
Come on, yourself dude. Appreciate what you're watching. It's OK. This doesn't mean he's the next Dirk or Duncan or MJ... It's just that he looks like he is legit. And, for those who began the "he can't close" game... Well, he did last night.
And, as for will/heart/desire to be great? Ever hear of Ed Curry? Tons of guys have talent... the special ones have the drive to be great. Uber-competitive.
AND Tyson Chandler said KP has chance to be the best offensive player in the NBA. I think TC knows a thing or two. IS he saying that bc he's a NYK fan?
If you love MIL so much... go root for them. I get it... they have a nice foundation. We shall see what happens moving fwd. I agree that the Greek Freak will probably be the MVP-heir to Lebron in the EC. I hope he and KP have many MJ-Ewing-esque battles.
But... both teams will be chasing BOS for a while anyway.
But to act like KP is just another decent prospect is disingenuous.... no?
Sure... if I were a PHI fan I would be stoked about my team as well.
Be objective? huh? Be tempered to avoid being let down? After 4 decades of losing... I think I can handle if KP flops and fizzles.
KP is a dynamic force who alters games with his shot blocking and scoring. He's 7"3 and getting a strong foundation, making him a tough guy to handle. What's not to like? He's also handling the NY pressure and dealing with the intense media scrutiny admirably. He dealt with that dysfunctional mess last year and came out an improved player.
Why can't we get excited about him? We did with Ewing and King and that never brought a title.
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Nice argument for our guy KP. KP is now only .8 pts below Giannis for the league scoring leader in second place and is 3rd in blocked shots behind Gobert and Durant. Knicks are 5-4 and in the playoff picture and the Bucks are 4-5, not sure I'd want to be in Kidds shoes if the Bucks finish below .500 and miss the playoffs this season. I'm personally thrilled with this team, they're fun to watch, they've made a huge leap in their defensive ranking from last year. I think at this point last season they were 26th in the league in points allowed and this season 13th. It's still too early to say anything about the Knicks but with no expectations going into the season, I think winning has been a welcome surprise.
here is the problem I have with stats like that. so basically since we can't say the same about magic, jordan, wilt, bird, Isiah, Iverson, and the list goes on and on, Porzingis will automatically eclipse those players right? you do realize that if you take out the three pointers made that list becomes much bigger right? I am almost sure of that. We can do that with a lot of players especially adding in a statistical category in which many great players don't partake in or maybe wasn't even recoreded when they played.. in other words Hakeem and kareem didn't take threes and they shouldn't...( BTW: Hakeem first three years, over 5000 points, over 700 blocks and over 2600 rebounds.. but becaue he didn't shoot threes it is not historic?, you do realize historic doesn't always mean GREAT)
Appreciate what Im watching? really after like 8 games, I am supposed to appreciate a player and his greatness? LOL.. seriously man listen to yourself. you sound like some of these announcers trying so hard to pump up Lonzo ball, by over analyzing every facet of his game. I am asking you to appreciate objectivity. He is having a good stretch, but yet you are willing to make this historic and honestly it is becoming breathtakingly hilarious.. why not keep this in perspective? thats all I am asking.. lets look at things after 40 games, a season, isn't that a better indicator?
And of course Why shouldn't we believe tyson chandler right? I mean ESPN host Dan lebetard said Embid will be one of the greatest ever? heck embid teamates said he will be a GOAT... heck he only plays with the guy I man why not believe him right? again I think both guys have gotten way ahead of themselves, will be they be correct? who knows, but I like embid a lot and think he is clearly better than porzingis and I think those words are not warrented and a stretch.
You of course think going overboard is just OK, because hey, the knicks have suffered long enough right? why be objective?
All I am saying and this is in response to the original topic, the knicks are a good ways back in the talent department, while porzingis is having a good stretch it is by no means historic or even more impressive than what guys like simmons and embid are doing. heck simmons is on the verge of averaging a triple double, I mean the last guy to do that won MVP... Yet it would be foolish to go overboard with simmons at this point, yet I can appreciate him having a great start to the season..
See it isn't hard at all.
Its ok to be excited about a player doing well, but I just honestly thing you are going so overboard it is hard to have a legtimate conversation and take it seriously thats all. Young players play well at times sometimes even great, they go through bad stretches, the key is to not overreact when either happens. Right now we have such a small sample and looking around the league we have some young playes doing great things. Historic? great? I mean we don't know, but lets just temper expectations a bit. right now the greek freak is getting his due praise because this is pretty much a continuation from what he did all of last season,and he has taken it to another level.. that I can appreciate..
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Saw the Indy game Frank had a nice game though Breen and Clyde mentioned his ability or lack thereof to get to the basket on one drive he attempted that I've posted about. His steals are nice but does anyone think he has the ability to do what Kris Dunn did in the CHI NO game.
mafra
Legend
If you don't get, there's nothing else to say. Take out the 3-pointers? What? Let's compare hitters and ignore HR or batting average?
The whole point with KP is the fact he's a threat to both block shots and hit 3s.
I get it.... You aren't impressed with KP. You voiced your opinion and I threw a stat at you that confirmed what kP did his first 2 seasons had never been done before.
Yeah, he was inconsistent his first 2 seasons.... dealt with injuries and foul trouble and instability at coaching and the dysfunction at MsG. But, like Dirk, he's now exploding in year 3.... let's see if he sustains this level of play. For 1/8th of the season, so far so good.
I didn't bother reading your post bc I have better things to do.