Game Thread: New York Knicks vs New Orleans Pelicans 12:00pm 11/15/2015
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Seraphin played extremely well. Very inspired ball. Dude deserves to see more playing time now w/o question, esp. with KOQ just not bringin' it the last few games. I'm not gonna lie--I wanted Alxey Shved back wit that $2.8mm exception money but Seraphin can play, man. Watching him execute his post offense against AD like that--WOW. I feel like Fish found and unlocked a hidden door with him today.
I'd like to see some more shot-makers on the floor to close out the game. I know Afflalo didn't have it today but he needs to be established as the 2nd most important offensive player on this team, a guy that absolutely needs to be in there to close out a game, no offense to Lance Thomas who's played well so far this season but he's no Arron Afflalo, even on his best day.
Nice win. Glad we finally got a tight win at home. Gotta get Charlotte next and try to go on a little streak.
Seraphin played extremely well. Very inspired ball. Dude deserves to see more playing time now w/o question, esp. with KOQ just not bringin' it the last few games. I'm not gonna lie--I wanted Alexey Shved back wit that $2.8mm exception money but Seraphin can play, man. Watching him execute his post offense against AD like that--WOW. I feel like Fish found and unlocked a hidden door with him today.
I'd like to see some more shot-makers on the floor to close out the game. I know Afflalo didn't have it today but he needs to be established as the 2nd most important offensive player on this team, a guy that absolutely needs to be in there to close out a game, no offense to Lance Thomas who's played well so far this season but he's no Arron Afflalo, even on his best day.
Nice win. Glad we finally got a tight win at home. Gotta get Charlotte next and try to go on a little streak.
Mafra should be happy. DFish went with the hot hand in Seraphin in the 4th and sat Rolo the whole 4th qtr, nice game by Galloway the MVP of the team thus far this year. Has there ever been a successful team in the league that has played so many guys on a given night and not had any consistent rotations esp. in the late 4th qtr.
mafra
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I was thinking at halftime, why isn't Fisher going with the bulk and size vs Davis? Seraphim didn't play... Credit coach for putting him in and then leaving him in... Yessir.
Anthony was exactly what he is supposed to be. 29 and 13. Against lesser teams, Melo must be the difference maker... And he was today.
Good win. 5-6 with the schedule we've had? Man, take care of CHA at home... And I think we all would have signed up for a 6-6 start.
Fantastic game from SARAPHIN
Better coaching from Fisher. Liked who was out there in crunch time for the first time.
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Like O'Quinn and Serafin with Melo , Galloway and Grant......
Better coaching from Fisher. Liked who was out there in crunch time for the first time.
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I think it comes down to closing out teams and who needs to be out there at the end. We've been in just about every one of these games--we've pissed away a few because we're not closing out strong enough with the right 5 guys...Fish can play as any guys as he wants to but he has got to settle on a lineup of closers to finish the game and those 5 need to be fresh for the home stretch. Not sure if these are the guys yet but the unit I'd like to see given a shot to close games now:
5 - Lopez - not a favorite player of mine God knows (I'd argue that at $13-14mm per he's well overpaid) but he does have intangibles that should be useful at the end as long as he's flanked by another offensive big and Melo. We easily could go KOQ here if/when he gets his act together.
4 - Seraphin - the best post scorer on the team. We need a legit post presence offensively down the stretch -- someone we can dump the ball to down low and expect to get a good high % shot. We need to keep as much offensive punch on the floor at the end as possible in order to put teams away. He's also a pretty darn good mid-range jump shooter, he's big and should rebound enough plus he brings a shot-blocking element to boot. GREAT game today. Ride the wave with him now. Give this dude a steady 20-25 mins/game now.
3 - Melo
2 - Afflalo - needs to be established as the team's #2 offensive option now--he needs to get 15 shots up at the bucket a night minimum and needs to be out there at the end. I don't care if he isn't even having a good game--he's a high % offensive player and can go get any shot he wants whenever he wants. I'll live with the 'G2' backcourt of Galloway/Grant to close if they both have it going but under no circumstances do I wanna see Lance Thomas out there closing games out of position at SG with Afflalo sitting. That's nuts to me, all due respect to LT who's played well so far.
1 - Grant or Galloway - whoever's having the better game or whoever matches up better against the opposing PG.
Closing games -- we clean this up, we should start to turn the corner.
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Def wanna see Porzingis play more in the 4th. He has a better scoring touch then Lopez, and is a better rebounder too.
My starting 5 in the last 8 minutes would be:
-Grant
-Galloway
-Melo
-Serafin
-Porzingis
These 5 should be the main guys in the end. If someone else on the team is hot during the game then you put them in crunch time for that game.
Keith Schlosser wrote this piece on the players minutes, this early season experimenting has to end. Fisher needs to figure out those guys that deserve minutes night in and night out, if that means sitting down your 13M big man where he's only getting 20mpg and giving a guy like Seraphin more minutes than him so be it. That group that finished the Pelicans game deserves to finish the next few games, their lockdown perimeter D was big down the stretch.
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I have to thank Rady for making the GAME-THREAD n the participating members ..
The GameThread plus the stats .. I felt as if i watch the game n seen Fisher experiment moves along with the players performance.
Great Game Thread n Knicks WIN !!!!!!
Now i understand why Knicks HATER Barkley said, "The Knicks are a Playoff team!"
The Knicks actually has a tough BIG-man rotation with playoff hustle in their performance Lopez, Quinn, and Serafin to cover the center n PF spots. Plus the chemistry from the young tandem guards Grant n Galloway has showed average to above-average performance while improving their chemistry together on both sides of the court in every game from preseason.
And Lance n Sasha has been great NBA experience guiders/tutors on the court for the tandem Grant n Galloway.
When u add a 7.3 rookie with something to prove every game, and
The veteran scorer Afflalo, plus
The high-scoring $124M Melo.
The above name players actually give us a 10 man rotation with all the skills as a team to win more games than losses in a 82 game season in the EAST. And thas not counting veteran forwards Amundson n D.Will
I have to disagree with u on the crunch-time lineup ....
Dolan's $124M has to be in the starter/finisher lineup, Dolan dont care or know that Melo's 4th quarter scoring has been very low the past 7 years for a reason, or Melo career at being the closer of all his first-round playoff knockouts.
I am all for our rookie Zingis receiving such big HYPE, but PK hype-performance dont win games. Zingis does not have the experience or decision-making to be on the court in any last quarter crunchtime games. Maybe in midseason with a lot of playingtime under his belt. Its a big coach mistake to have rookie Zingis on the court at crunch time when the game is on the line, we have to many experience veterans for that role.
I would be mentioning the same about rookie Grant receiving crunchtime minutes so early in his rookie season, if Calderon didnt have a long career at being a poor crunchtime PG.
I have to thank Rady for making the GAME-THREAD n the participating members ..
The GameThread plus the stats .. I felt as if i watch the game n seen Fisher experiment moves along with the players performance.
Great Game Thread n Knicks WIN !!!!!!
Now i understand why Knicks HATER Barkley said, "The Knicks are a Playoff team!"
The Knicks actually has a tough BIG-man rotation with playoff hustle in their performance Lopez, Quinn, and Serafin to cover the center n PF spots. Plus the chemistry from the young tandem guards Grant n Galloway has showed average to above-average performance while improving their chemistry together on both sides of the court in every game from preseason.
And Lance n Sasha has been great NBA experience guiders/tutors on the court for the tandem Grant n Galloway.
When u add a 7.3 rookie with something to prove every game, and
The veteran scorer Afflalo, plus
The high-scoring $124M Melo.
The above name players actually give us a 10 man rotation with all the skills as a team to win more games than losses in a 82 game season in the EAST. And thas not counting veteran forwards Amundson n D.Will
I have to disagree with u on the crunch-time lineup ....
Dolan's $124M has to be in the starter/finisher lineup, Dolan dont care or know that Melo's 4th quarter scoring has been very low the past 7 years for a reason, or Melo career at being the closer of all his first-round playoff knockouts.
I am all for our rookie Zingis receiving such big HYPE, but PK hype-performance dont win games. Zingis does not have the experience or decision-making to be on the court in any last quarter crunchtime games. Maybe in midseason with a lot of playingtime under his belt. Its a big coach mistake to have rookie Zingis on the court at crunch time when the game is on the line, we have to many experience veterans for that role.
I would be mentioning the same about rookie Grant receiving crunchtime minutes so early in his rookie season, if Calderon didnt have a long career at being a poor crunchtime PG.
WOW! 100% pure truth
On Sunday, Kevin Seraphin’s 12 point performance not only represented his best of the season, but also the first time he’s scored in double-fingers since the Knicks’ first preseason game. It was also the first time, since, that he had played more than 13 minutes in a game.
The 25 year old fought through a nagging injury in the preseason, but since regaining form, hasn’t gotten the minutes such aforementioned performances suggest he needs.
This has seemingly been the case for many other Knicks so far in the early goings, such as Derrick Williams, Kyle O’Quinn, and even Robin Lopez. New York has had multiple games where Coach Derek Fisher has ushered every one of his soldiers out onto the hardwood. While it’s one thing to say the season is still young and it’s worthwhile figuring things out, such experiments are detrimental to the players who clearly deserve and require the minutes to be productive.
O’Quinn is a great example. The big man is a high energy guy whose positive impact on a game is not only often evident, but clearly infectious as well. In every game that he’s played 12 minutes or more, O’Quinn has logged at least six points. He’s also grabbed at least five rebounds in all but one of those games. In the two games during which he’s played more than twenty minutes, O’Quinn has also logged at least 10 rebounds and 3 assists.
Needless to say, he’s been productive. With that in mind, playing O’Quinn just 12 total minutes over the last two games is questionable, to say the least. After scoring 24 points in just 21 minutes in the Knicks’ season-opening win, Derrick Williams is yet to see as much playing time in any of the games that have followed. Robin Lopez’s 25.8 minutes per game represents his lowest minutes average in four seasons.
The Knicks’ frontline is obviously a crowded one. Aside from Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis, Lance Thomas is the only other member receiving consistent minutes; he’s yet to play fewer than 15 minutes in a contest. Even Lopez, the team’s starting center, cannot say the same thing.
A few things to note; at 5-6, the Knicks have looked competitive. They were 5-36 through 41 games last season, so this is undoubtedly a step in the right direction. And of course, different players will hear their numbers called (at least, more often) on a nightly basis depending on the matchup at hand.
Nevertheless, underutilizing players and/or otherwise tossing them to the curb is another thing. The Knicks have tremendous depth, and that should continue to be viewed as an asset. Not providing certain players with consistent minutes could be considered negligence when taking into account how well a player (O’Quinn is still the best example of the bunch) is performing. There needs to be consistency, and Coach Fisher should provide such players with an assist in the form of balanced playing time in order to help them find respective rhythms.
If they aren’t receiving the minutes necessary, there’s a good chance players will underwhelm when suddenly called upon again.
Players need to rewarded for good play. It’d be a shame to see Seraphin’s great outing on Sunday be disregarded in the games to come. When a player like Porzingis is shooting 36% in his last six games, there are reserves nipping at his heels, hungry for more minutes, in the meantime.
Coach Fisher needs to find a better way of utilizing the talent the team has available to them, because otherwise, it’ll go to waste and certain players may not necessarily be ready when actually needed.
On Sunday, Kevin Seraphin’s 12 point performance not only represented his best of the season, but also the first time he’s scored in double-fingers since the Knicks’ first preseason game. It was also the first time, since, that he had played more than 13 minutes in a game.
The 25 year old fought through a nagging injury in the preseason, but since regaining form, hasn’t gotten the minutes such aforementioned performances suggest he needs.
This has seemingly been the case for many other Knicks so far in the early goings, such as Derrick Williams, Kyle O’Quinn, and even Robin Lopez. New York has had multiple games where Coach Derek Fisher has ushered every one of his soldiers out onto the hardwood. While it’s one thing to say the season is still young and it’s worthwhile figuring things out, such experiments are detrimental to the players who clearly deserve and require the minutes to be productive.
O’Quinn is a great example. The big man is a high energy guy whose positive impact on a game is not only often evident, but clearly infectious as well. In every game that he’s played 12 minutes or more, O’Quinn has logged at least six points. He’s also grabbed at least five rebounds in all but one of those games. In the two games during which he’s played more than twenty minutes, O’Quinn has also logged at least 10 rebounds and 3 assists.
Needless to say, he’s been productive. With that in mind, playing O’Quinn just 12 total minutes over the last two games is questionable, to say the least. After scoring 24 points in just 21 minutes in the Knicks’ season-opening win, Derrick Williams is yet to see as much playing time in any of the games that have followed. Robin Lopez’s 25.8 minutes per game represents his lowest minutes average in four seasons.
The Knicks’ frontline is obviously a crowded one. Aside from Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis, Lance Thomas is the only other member receiving consistent minutes; he’s yet to play fewer than 15 minutes in a contest. Even Lopez, the team’s starting center, cannot say the same thing.
A few things to note; at 5-6, the Knicks have looked competitive. They were 5-36 through 41 games last season, so this is undoubtedly a step in the right direction. And of course, different players will hear their numbers called (at least, more often) on a nightly basis depending on the matchup at hand.
Nevertheless, underutilizing players and/or otherwise tossing them to the curb is another thing. The Knicks have tremendous depth, and that should continue to be viewed as an asset. Not providing certain players with consistent minutes could be considered negligence when taking into account how well a player (O’Quinn is still the best example of the bunch) is performing. There needs to be consistency, and Coach Fisher should provide such players with an assist in the form of balanced playing time in order to help them find respective rhythms.
If they aren’t receiving the minutes necessary, there’s a good chance players will underwhelm when suddenly called upon again.
Players need to rewarded for good play. It’d be a shame to see Seraphin’s great outing on Sunday be disregarded in the games to come. When a player like Porzingis is shooting 36% in his last six games, there are reserves nipping at his heels, hungry for more minutes, in the meantime.
Coach Fisher needs to find a better way of utilizing the talent the team has available to them, because otherwise, it’ll go to waste and certain players may not necessarily be ready when actually needed.