Official 2017 NBA Draft Thread - June 22


I couldn't post this ESPN Insider article on Doncic here, something with KOL's security software prevented me from posting it. I posted it on another website. Here's the link, great scouting report on the kid, if we can luck up and get him in this years draft I think he can help immediately despite being 19 years old when he's drafted next June. The Dragon said mark his words, Doncic will be one of the best in world someday.

Looking at the video .. Doncic performance remind me of the 90's quick Euro-star Kukoc ..
The Knicks Mills/Perry cant afford to be looking at next year draft picks when management/coaches/players has not prove as an organization they are capable of getting on the same-page.
The Knicks has to many major changes each season .. from adding 7 to 9 new players on the roster each season, or hiring a new head-coach every other season, to signing a new GM every 3 to 4 seasons.


Rady is the best and we're lucky at KOL to have him. I could not post the below Insider article because of a technical problem I could not figure out. I PM'd Rady and he figured it out, where are you going to get support like that on a BBS except at KOL.

ESPN Insider article on Doncic. The kid is very advanced for an 18 year old, great rebounder and his physical maturity will allow him to help an NBA team immediately not in 1 or 2 years like most 19 yr old rookies.

Scouting Doncic: What makes him a potential No. 1 NBA draft pick

HELSINKI, Finland -- Potential 2018 No. 1 draft pick Luka Doncic is no mystery man. The 18-year-old Slovenian sensation has been on the radar in Europe since age 12 and has proven his ability against NBA-caliber talent both with Real Madrid and the Slovenian national team.

But how will Doncic's game translate to the NBA? After getting an extended look at Doncic during the 2017 Eurobasket, here's an in-depth breakdown of his game and how it relates to his NBA outlook:
Athletic and physical profile

Doncic has excellent natural size for a perimeter prospect at nearly 6-foot-8, 228 pounds with an 8-9.5 standing reach, according to data from P3 Sports Science, where Doncic spent the 2015 and 2016 summers.

Although we don't have Doncic's official wingspan, here are a few NBA players with fairly similar measurements from a height, weight and reach standpoint:

Joe Johnson (age 19.9): 6-8.25 in shoes, 226 pounds, 8-9 standing reach

JR Smith (age 18.6): 6-6.75 in shoes, 227 pounds, 8-8 standing reach

Carmelo Anthony (age 19.0): 6-7.5 in shoes, 233 pounds, 8-9.5 standing reach

Doncic compares most favorably to a 19-year-old Joe Johnson, who has played the latter stages of his career at around 240 pounds, even mixing in a healthy amount of small-ball 4 these last few years. While Johnson may be a smidge taller, he and Doncic have similar frames and standing reaches at the same age. Doncic's wingspan appears to be on the mediocre side, which also matches up with the former Arkansas Razorback, who measured a 6-9 wingspan during the 2001 NBA pre-draft camp.

Although he's only 18, it's fair to wonder how much physical development Doncic has ahead of him. Sporting a strong, mature frame throughout his upper and lower body, Doncic may not have the physical upside of recent late-bloomer prospects such as Brandon Ingram or Jonathan Isaac. Even so, he has great positional size and strength, with the measurements to play the 2, the 3 and even some 4 later on in his career.

Athletically Doncic is more powerful than traditionally explosive or quick-twitch. He's a bit hunched in his upper body and could stand to improve his flexibility overall, which shows up as a half-court shot creator at times. He displays a fairly impressive blend of power and speed in the open floor, though, as he's tough to contain when he can get his body going with a head of steam. He's a solid leaper in space and added 1.5 inches to his standing vertical during the 2016 offseason, according to P3. He also ranks in the 73rd percentile among guards tested for height touched during an approach jump. With that said, Doncic isn't the most functional athlete and plays mostly below the rim in a crowd. Doncic does have good feet for his size, and is a better positional defender than he gets credit for.

P3data: "His slide agility times (left: 2.58 seconds, right: 2.53 seconds) straddle the NBA average for a guard. During this test, the athlete slides laterally 5 yards, then slides back -- suggesting that Luka's change of direction abilities are fairly competitive with some of his positional peers. They've also both improved by 0.25 seconds over the past year (that's a ton)."
Transition play

Doncic, an elite defensive rebounder for his position, loves to ignite the fast break by pushing in transition. When he's able to generate momentum in the open court, Doncic is tough to contain. He changes ends with speed and plays with a level of confidence in the open floor you don't often see from a player his age. Doncic isn't the most shifty athlete and is more impactful as an open-court facilitator than a scorer.

He's a creative passer who mixes in no-look feeds and simple hit-aheads to open shooters. Although a precise outlet passer, Doncic is more prone to pushing with the dribble forcing defenders to check him before making a play. He's also very savvy for his age, feeling defenders on his back and stopping near mid-court to draw fouls.

Doncic's ability to impact the game on the glass combined with his open-court facilitating allows him to turn defense into offense quickly. He's not quite as electric in the open floor but his transition play does somewhat resemble that of elite prospects like Ben Simmons and Lonzo Ball before him.

Telling stat: 11.5 rebounds per 40 minutes at Eurobasket. Finished fourth in rebounds per game, ahead of Nikola Vucevic, Marc Gasol, Pau Gasol and Timofey Mozgov.
Pick-and-roll impact

Doncic comes alive when he's on the ball and is really at his best in pick-and-rolls, where he's able to use his size, tremendous pace, excellent court vision and off the dribble shooting to offer a nice blend of scoring and playmaking.

Slovenia national team head coach and Utah Jazz assistant Igor Kokoskov used Doncic both at the point and as a pick-and-roll maestro on second-side actions after sprinting of screens. While his lack of elite burst with the ball does limit him a bit as a downhill slasher, he's a tough-shot maker and one of the most gifted ball-screen facilitators we've seen in recent memory.

Here's a look at the different ways he impacts the game:


While prospects like Simmons and Ball are special passers in their own right, Doncic is the more functional ball-screen facilitator with an incredibly advanced arsenal of one-handed darts he can deliver from anywhere on the floor. At 6-8 he doesn't need to get a piece of the paint to find open shooters, and he's particularly adept at hitting the weakside corner, especially when he's able to get going to his right hand.

He freezes defenders with changes of pace and timely look-offs, which helps make up for his so-so quickness. Doncic has an uncanny understanding of where every player is on the floor, displaying impeccable timing and accuracy as a passer. He can make basic pocket passes or hit the roll man over the top, and does an excellent job of using his body and savvy nature to get his defender on his back, forcing the big man defender to guard him while putting the defense in a bind.

He also mixes in behind-the back-feeds and is comfortable "snaking" ball screens to drag the big man defender away from the rim to force switches. Doncic's ability to think the game out of ball screens and pick defenses apart makes him extremely valuable as a primary or secondary facilitator. His pick-and-roll passing at 6-8 separates him from other elite prospects we've seen over the years.

Telling stat: Pick-and-roll passes generated 1.229 points per possession. Doncic turned the ball over on only 11.1 percent of his pick-and-roll possessions, which made up 34.6 percent of his offense.

Pull-up game

Doncic has deep range on his pick-and-roll pull-up as he's a fairly consistent threat from NBA 3 when the guard defender goes under ball screens. He can plant or hop into 3s with rhythm and shoots an easy ball with excellent rotation, even if he doesn't have the quickest release. Doncic also showed the ability to create just enough space to get his shot off, even against a big like Kristaps Porzingis, mixing in step-backs to his left or pull-back dribbles with defenders on his hip.

Doncic also has a lot of the tricks you see from 30-year-old veterans, putting his defender "in jail" by using his body, keeping his man on his rear and then either scoring with mid-range pull-ups or floaters. He's not a traditional elevation-reliant shooter and it remains to be seen how he'll be able to create space to get to his jumper against rangier athletes, but Doncic has an excellent foundation as a pick-and-roll shot maker.

Telling stat: 1.061 PPP on off-the-dribble jumpers (70th percentile).


Doncic doesn't consistently put pressure on the rim out of pick-and-roll and is much more reliant on tough shot making. He also has a very reliable handle, knows how to use his body and has some sneaky quickness when he can get his shoulders square to the rim.

When he's not making shots, though, Doncic struggles to get into the teeth of the defense since he's not overly shifty with the ball. Although he makes an effort to change speeds and directions, he doesn't do so with much force or quickness and can stand to improve his ability to get to the rim going left. The fact that Doncic is such a threat as a passer and pull-up shooter significantly eases the blow from his less than stellar functional athleticism, but he'll still have an adjustment to make when defended by some of the NBA's elite stoppers.

He doesn't have overly long strides to the basket, regularly opts to stop short for runners rather than initiating contact in the paint and plays mostly below the rim in the half court. While strong with touch, Doncic will have an adjustment to make as a finisher against NBA length and athleticism. The fact that only 14 of Doncic's 89 half-court field goal attempts came at the rim speaks to some of his slashing shortcomings.

Telling stat: Only five of his 36 pick-and-roll field goal attempts came at the rim.

As a screener

Kokoskov used Doncic as a screener from time to time during Eurobasket play, a creative wrinkle that could be very successful at the NBA level as well. He's a pick-and-pop threat and has the handle and playmaking ability to attack in open space and make something happen. Picking and popping Doncic, then immediately bringing him off of a ball screen, is a great way to get the defense moving and thinking.
Isolation game

Arguably the biggest question surrounding Doncic: Can he create enough offense in the half court, especially vs. switches, to warrant being a No. 1 option at the NBA level? There isn't much of a history of elite guard/wing prospects (especially Euros) who don't have a solid breakdown game going near the top of the draft.

Although he has deep range on his jumper and the footwork to create some space for step-backs going to his left, his lack of wiggle with the ball really limits him as a shot-creator vs. long, athletic big men and he's often forced to settle for deep, contested 3s. Doncic did ease some of those concerns against Latvia with a step-back 3, drive and finish and floater in the paint versus Kristaps Porzingis, one of the NBA's rangiest big men.

He is a bit stiff in his upper body, though, and at his size he might not have much traditional 1-on-1 breakdown game. However, his ability to cut angles and use his body will help him alleviate some of those worries, especially with NBA spacing. In today's NBA, players with positional size who can pass and shoot off the dribble usually have success and Doncic checks all of those boxes, even if he's not the most traditional isolation scorer.

Scorers like Devin Booker, CJ McCollum and even Stephen Curry to some degree were never considered elite athletes in terms of quickness and burst, yet their skill base and ability to shoot and be playmakers have clearly been more than enough for them.
Off-ball value

Doncic is most comfortable with the ball in his hands given his tremendous passing instincts and ability to make shots with range off the dribble. With that said, he's likely best paired with a guard who can break down defenses without a ball screen and put pressure on the rim in the half court, an area where Doncic struggles.

Doncic is a very impactful off-ball contributor. He showed excellent potential as a standstill shooter (despite only hitting 31.1 from 3 at Eurobasket), has good timing attacking closeouts and can read the floor versus a scrambling defense, often mixing in hard ball fakes to move defenders. He can stand to speed up his release a bit, but when Doncic gets a clean look he shoots a really easy ball and has range well beyond NBA 3, evident by the 2.9 3s he made per 40 minutes over the course of nine games.

He's a quick decision-maker who almost always makes the extra swing pass or a quick post entry when he sees a mismatch. He's comfortable running off of screens if he's given space, but he's not the most dynamic shooter as he employs more of a set shot.

Doncic doesn't have the longest strides to the rim and continuing to improve as a finisher versus length on straight line drives will be important. In addition to spot shooting and attacking closeouts, Doncic also adds some value as an offensive rebounder and cutter. He knows how to play off of stars like Sergio Llull and has done a nice job of doing the little things that impact winning both for Real Madrid and Slovenia.
Whom does he guard?

Doncic is probably best guarding traditional 2s and 3s at the NBA level given his size. Most questions about Doncic's on-ball defense are blown out of proportion, as he has good feet for his size, generates force fairly quickly in a lateral sense, plays very competitively and does a great job anticipating his opponent's initial move.

He's excellent at keeping the ball pinned to the sideline in pick-and-roll situations and defends like a player who has competed in high-level games for the past few years. With that said, Doncic's size slows him down vs. point guards and shifty shooting guards, and his body type does hurt his ability to get skinny over middle ball screens. He can also do a better job of directing the ball in those situations. He does great work using his strength to recover, and works hard to get back into the play. His feel, strength and solid positional reach will certainly make him at the least an average defender vs. wings, and he has the tools to even slide up to the small-ball 4 spot for stretches.

Off the ball, Doncic is active and competitive, bumping cutters and crashing the defensive glass with authority. He's physical and has a lot of experience for his age, which puts him far ahead of a lot of the other collegiate prospects who have developed bad habits from being the star of their AAU and high school basketball teams. He can chase opposing guards like Bogdan Bogdanovic around screens while having an impact at the rim as a weakside defender. Like any 18-year-old he does have his occasional lapses, most notably helping off of strong side corner shooters on penetration. But his elite positional rebounding helps cover up some of the athletic and length limitations that he might have, and will allow him to play a fair amount of 4 down the road.

It's natural to question the defensive upside of European guard/wing prospects, especially given how strong and athletic those positions are in the NBA, but Doncic has proven that he has the tools and mentality to at least be adequate and more than just a one-sided player.

Telling stat: Fourth in defensive win shares, but only 1.2 steals per 40 minutes.

Growing up as a childhood prodigy, Doncic has always wanted the ball in his hands. He has very little fear late in the game and plays with the poise of a 10-year veteran. His first shot in the Eurobasket final versus Serbia? A 30-foot pull-up 3 with 18 seconds on the shot clock. Doncic certainly isn't lacking confidence.

He doesn't get sped up versus ball pressure and is comfortable combating high-level athletes with his decision making. Although he can be a bit overly emotional on the floor, Doncic's passion is usually channeled in a positive manner.

Given Doncic's combination of extreme confidence, positional size and skill, his floor is as high as any elite European prospect in recent memory.
Looking forward

If his Eurobasket performance wasn't enough, Doncic will have an excellent opportunity to further prove himself with Real Madrid next season.

Sergio Llull will miss the season because of a torn ACL, opening the door for Doncic to have an even bigger role, playing more with the ball and being asked to score with greater volume. Doncic has a chance to become one of the most productive 18- or 19-year-old Euroleague/ACB players of all time, proving himself as the draft's most accomplished prospect.

Players like Mohamed Bamba, DeAndre Ayton, Marvin Bagley and Michael Porter might have more upside in a traditional sense than Doncic, but none are as proven and versatile. We'll learn more about the top high school prospects in the nation as the collegiate season progresses, but Doncic showed us at Eurobasket that he can produce like a veteran, even against NBA-level talent.


Looks like CHI could easily have the worst record in the NBA. So, with that said, who is a "target" for the 31st pick? First pick in the second round is almost like a first rounder for NYK.


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The write up on Doncic was great, thanks fellas. Reads though like he could be a "point guard" or maybe a better version of Ginobli if he works on his off the bounce game. I bet this is who the Knicks are scouting heavily.


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lol i'll bet he does!


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If Fran Fraschilla is correct we're not getting Monk.

I talked to a guy yesterday who I work with(he played collegiate ball where I'm from), who led the nation in steals 2yrs ago. He's played against a few of these guys in various circles. He said he thinks Boston should take Tatum(NBA Ready right now) but thinks Monk is going to be the best player in this draft. I was surprised by his reasoning but some of it made sense.

Looking how the draft shaped up we're not getting any blue chip guard(Fox/Fultz/Ball/Monk) all will be off the board in some fashion. I mean Sac/Philly/Lakers/Phx all need really good guards. Bledsoe is not a long term answer, neither is Knight. I gotta believe Phx is hoping they can get Monk or Fox because of the Kentucky ties(Booker). These guys are closer to Book's generation. Orlando IMO can help us somewhat if a guard is still on board when they pick, I think they are looking for a stretch guy(Tatum would be ideal, maybe Isaac)

Minnesota has Rubio/Dunn(waiting)/Jones they won't draft a guard unless they fall in love with someone like Frank who would fit Thibs MO. So they'll get Tatum or Isaac if they're on the board, that's what they need.

This kid I talked to several mos ago guess where he's personally at now?

He persevered and stuck with his dream to one day play in the NBA(I had my doubts if he was still hungry enough to go for it, just had a kid not long ago), well he ended up being drafted in the 1rst round of the G-League by Fort Wayne team, 21rst overall. Really happy for him! He's 1 step closer, he's a defensive demon. A little small in stature but will put forth effort to lock up on D, really quick too
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Aug. 14 was Marvin Bagley III's decision to reclassify to 2017 and attend Duke over USC and UCLA. Bagley had been the No. 1 prospect in the 2018 class, and his decision immediately vaulted the Blue Devils to the top of the rankings. He's that good, perhaps the best prospect to come out of high school since Anthony Davis in 2011.

Bagley takes Duke to another level compared to everyone else in the nation.


COLUMBIA, Missouri -- Michael Porter Jr., the presumed savior for a Missouri team that endured a miserable eight-win season last year, rarely loses.

He was the No. 1 recruit in the country and headed for the likely No. 1 spot in the NBA draft. Then, in August, Marvin Bagley III announced on SportsCenter his plan to reclassify and play for Duke this season. Just like that, Porter wasn't the No. 1 prospect anymore.

"I mean, Marvin is a good player, but I don't see him being better than me," Porter said following a September practice at Mizzou Arena with a smile as bright as the diamond studs in his ears. "But he's a good player, I think. I think once the college season starts, that's all that matters: How you perform on the court. We're gonna see."

He does respect Bagley.

"Dude is nice," Porter added. "I think he's a generational-type player as well."

On Sunday, in an exhibition game for charity against Kansas, even though he couldn't find an offensive rhythm -- he was 6-of-20 -- he kept shooting because Porter always assumes the next shot is good, no matter how many times he has missed. And that confidence is what NBA scouts love about the freshman.

"He has the size, athleticism, mentality and ability to score," one NBA scout told "He can create his own shot, and the way he does it translates to the NBA level. The NBA game is being played on the wing and to have a versatile and athletic wing that can play multiple spots is crucial."


Doncic, Porter, Bagley... 3 in-freaking-credible prospects. Much better than anybody in the last draft.

If 1 of these 3 aren't on the NYK roster next July.... we failed this season.

The only unfortunate thing is.... we still won't have a PG.
Did this happen to Fultz?s shoulder since the draft or did they hide this problem while he was in college? Philly once again having a problem with a lottery pick, one that they traded up to get.


Did this happen to Fultz’s shoulder since the draft or did they hide this problem while he was in college? Philly once again having a problem with a lottery pick, one that they traded up to get.
Fultz says he doesn't remember exactly when his shoulder started bothering him but his FT form is definitely different than when he was in college. Brown says Fultz wanted to change his shot mechanics over the summer but Fultz's trainer says that's not true and any change in his shot form is from this shoulder injury. It's a setback for him and what a disappointment after trading up with the Celts for him for the Sixers but they're fine at PG w/o him with Simmons, Bayless and TJ. He's going to struggle to get TJ's minutes even if he comes back healthy, TJ is PHI version of JJ Barea.