Official 2017 NBA Draft Thread - June 22

I found this on a DEN blog....
Say a player we like, like Justin Jax slips to 13..... would we do a deal like this:

DEN targets JI in a trade:

For starters, he’s an outside/inside player that stands 6-feet, 11-inches tall - taller than Danilo Gallinari and as tall (or possibly slightly taller) than Nikola Jokic. He’s also got a 7’1” wingspan and a standing reach over 9’. He shot a respectable 35% from behind the arc in his lone season at Florida State and 78% from the free throw line.

He’s a great rebounder, hauling in 12 rebounds per 40 minutes and has a lot of promise as a shot-blocker from the power forward position. He’s more mobile defensively around the perimeter than anyone in the draft his height and might be a defensive juggernaut in the making. Lastly, my favorite trait of all is that he’s pretty good about playing within himself.

The New York Knicks
The deal: Emmanuel Mudiay, Wilson Chandler, the 13th pick and the 49th pick for the 8th pick and Lance Thomas.

The framework of this deal is similar to all of the others but the Nuggets get to hold on to Beasley. Wilson has a nice skill set to play inside or outside within the triangle and would be a replacement go-to scorer if the Knicks do indeed move on from Carmelo Anthony as they have said they are hoping to do. Mudiay is a project for them but his size and post-up game are strengths that could get highlighted in that system. The Knicks would also land another 2nd round pick which would give them a total of three second rounders this year. That’s a lot to take on but the Knicks might be willing to spread a wide net in search of talent to develop abroad or through the D-league.

Lance Thomas isn’t a huge get for the Nuggets but he’s probably needed in order to clear cap-room and bench room for all of their incoming picks. He also shot 45% on catch-and-shoot three pointers last season and should see a healthy increase in those types of shots if he plays alongside Jokic. Still, he’d be owed $21 million over the next three seasons and that is a bit long to take on a guy that might be the 7th or 8th best player on the Nuggets right out of the gate. Unfortunately, the Knicks don’t have a lot of options for trade pieces. Their best players are on rookie deals and probably not available (you’re not getting Kristaps Porzingis) and their most expensive players are all highly undesirable for the Nuggets. Thomas is the least bad option of the group.

Of course this entire deal is predicated on Isaac still being available at #8 which might be unlikely.

I'd do the trade above especially if it netted us JJ but it's slightly risky. JJ might not be there at 13, several teams are eyeing him.

If JI is showing this much promise at those metrics(I mentioned this the other day, the kid is hella rangy) then it makes far more sense to move #kporzee for additional assets to rebuild team. Sorry guys #kprozee and JI are redundant both needing similar development mixed with WHG. Not a fan at all of having both on this team, it's clearly one or the other for me.
 
So, this is suggesting (as others have) that JI is the. Kay likely player to crack the top 7.... with, I believe, Monk or Smith being the most likely to fall....

This means it's possible that we do trade down if JI slips, b/c he's probably the lone talent a team will trade up for at 8...

The draft questions are:

- Take Issac or Ntikilina?

- Smith or Ntikilina?

- Trafe down? And this may be predicated on us taking Isaac and dealing him only if the player we want is taken by our potential trade partner.

Still, the key is getting defensive orientated pieces and both Isaac and Ntikilina are that....

Monk is best shooter and Smith has dynamic scorer potential....

So, what would you do? What direction do you go?

Monk we know had a solid workout this week. I know for a fact Kings are salivating at the chance to draft either Fox or Monk, Dave Joeger said needs from the draft a guard who either penetrates and/or shoots the 3. They already have Buddy. Monk said during the Lottery special he's more deadly in PNR sets and we know he can shoot...I think Monk will convert to a point in this league.

For the record the player Nugz most likely to move sooner than later is Will Barton...they couldn't agree on an extension and there's kind of a logjam at their guard position.
 
I can see SAC wanting what GSW and POR have, taking Monk to pair with Buddy....

If it goes Fultz, Ball, Fox (thx to Ndour hitting that's game winner), then Monk.... that's top 4....

That means what? Smith to Magic? Tatum and Jax fall into 6-7? Minny could pass on one of these bc they may prefer Isaac.... which means NYK get Tatum or Jax?
 
I can see SAC wanting what GSW and POR have, taking Monk to pair with Buddy....

If it goes Fultz, Ball, Fox (thx to Ndour hitting that's game winner), then Monk.... that's top 4....

That means what? Smith to Magic? Tatum and Jax fall into 6-7? Minny could pass on one of these bc they may prefer Isaac.... which means NYK get Tatum or Jax?

Celts - Fultz...(best guard)
Lakers - Fox...(gun to head)
Sixers - Ball...(need a floor general)

Either Ball or Fox swap spots

Phx - Tatum...(need a wing scorer)
Sac - Monk...(need a PNR guard)

Orl - Isaac(replaces Ibaka)...I'm guessing here but they have Elfrid/Augustin/Watson/Hezonja/Ross/Forunier/Gordon absolutely can't see them drafting a guard/wing of any sort, they need a versatile big. It could be Jackson/Tatum here...too tempted to go BPA depending who's there
Minny - Jackson(need an athletic defending wing who can play big)

The team that now holds the cards to this draft is Phx...do they want to move on from Bledsoe/Knight and throw a wrench in everything by selecting Monk to pair with Booker or maybe Smith? The guards they gave up Thomas and Dragic appear to have been better than what they kept. With that being said they have Chriss/Len/Bender not sure they need to mess with their interior as much when they have a hole on the wing. Gotta go Tatum here if I'm them.

We're going to be stuck with in the order of most likely...

Frenchie/Smith
Frenchie/Isaac
Isaac/Jackson
Isaac/Tatum
 
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I'd do the trade above especially if it netted us JJ but it's slightly risky. JJ might not be there at 13, several teams are eyeing him.

If JI is showing this much promise at those metrics(I mentioned this the other day, the kid is hella rangy) then it makes far more sense to move #kporzee for additional assets to rebuild team. Sorry guys #kprozee and JI are redundant both needing similar development mixed with WHG. Not a fan at all of having both on this team, it's clearly one or the other for me.

Are Jonathan Isaac and Porzingis redundant? If Porzingis is a Dirk Nowitzki-wannabe, can Jonathan Isaac be his Shawn Marion-wannabe sidekick? If we're rolling with Porzingis and WHG, we got to add a big to that frontcourt who is going to play defense (beyond blocking shots like Porzingis does).

I only care about Isaac if only he and Ntilikina fall to us. Monk or Smith fall to us, then we should take whichever one of them is available. I'm not sold on Ntilikina over Isaac.

If we can trade down, great, but not for a deal where the centerpiece is Mudiay. He comes to our coaching staff and a year or two from now he'll be out of the league.
 
You guys have not mentioned Markkenan at all and I've seen plenty of mock drafts that have him sneaking into 7-10. How does that affect NY if he slips to 7 going to MN.
 
We're going to be stuck with in the order of most likely...

Frenchie/Smith
Frenchie/Isaac
Isaac/Jackson
Isaac/Tatum

Not pretending to be a draft expert, but if those are the scenarios then I go:

Smith or Frenchie - great, we get our PG, no idea which one of these 2 is the better bet, both have question marks, I'll guess Smith is the better pick
Isaac over Frenchie - a frontcourt big who can defend basically any player on the court
Jackson over Isaac - super athletic two-way player whose biggest weakness is shooting, but we need his defense a lot more than we need his offense
Isaac over Tatum - we can't draft a frontcourt player whose defense is a question mark, so if Tatum falls to us, I think we pass on him and grab Isaac, but I really don't know
 
It's possible the C goes top 7 (Collins possibly as well)....

As it seems like now, Isaac, Ntikilina, and Smith will be the options.... However, any curveball is good news bc that just means 1 of the top 7 falls to us.

I recall Phil winning a title with Gasol, Bynum, Odom.... so, Isaac could work with our front court. Sure. Triangle likes players who are interchangeable.... Isaac, KP, WHG would work together.... but it only matters if you have guards to compliment them anyway.

Either way, we are bound to get a talented player regardless.
 
It's possible the C goes top 7 (Collins possibly as well)....

As it seems like now, Isaac, Ntikilina, and Smith will be the options.... However, any curveball is good news bc that just means 1 of the top 7 falls to us.

I recall Phil winning a title with Gasol, Bynum, Odom.... so, Isaac could work with our front court. Sure. Triangle likes players who are interchangeable.... Isaac, KP, WHG would work together.... but it only matters if you have guards to compliment them anyway.

Either way, we are bound to get a talented player regardless.

We need Frenchie to wrap up his overseas play and get over here to kill the workouts, because then it'll be a for sure win-win for us. If Orlando goes with Jackson I see Wolves drafting Isaac if he shows the versatility he's billed as in workouts.

I don't see Isaac running offense thus don't see the Lamar Odom he would need to be in the triangle. We know #kporzee is not Pau Gasol doesn't play the pinch post enough, limited post game, nor pass at a high level in the interior...but in theory I see your point.

I think Isaac may be a better version of what #kporzee wants to be on the perimeter. Isaac appears to be a bigger version of Brandon Ingram with slightly less handles, which could mean he'll very well may be off the board when we pick. He has lots of talent but we'd have to wait on it
 
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This article in Newsday tries to answer you Frank Ntikilina or Dennis Smith?


Fran Fraschilla has seen enough of French guard Frank Ntilikina in person and on television to believe he will make an impact in the NBA at some point. He feels the same about North Carolina State?s Dennis Smith Jr.

Knicks president Phil Jackson said they would be looking for ?wings and guards? in next month?s NBA Draft. Smith and Ntilikina could be on the board when the Knicks pick eighth. Fraschilla said the Knicks can?t go wrong taking either ? but no one should expect them to challenge for the Rookie of the Year Award.

?Neither one of these kids is prepared to have that kind of impact in my opinion,? Fraschilla, an ESPN college basketball analyst, said in a phone interview Thursday. ?But both of them are good solid picks in the eight hole.

?They both have very good long-term upside. They have NBA guard characteristics. They?re both athletic. They?re both reasonably well put together. It?s going to be a matter of do you like vanilla or chocolate, and how they come in and interview and work out with the teams.?

The Knicks have gone to France to watch Ntilikina. They?re expected to try and get a workout with Smith, who may be gone when the Knicks pick.

They?re different players with different skills. Fraschilla, the former St. John?s coach, called each of them ?raw? for different reasons.

Ntilikina is only 18, but the 6-5 guard is finishing his third season of professional basketball for Strasbourg, which plays inFraince?s top league, the Pro-A. Although he won Best Young Player for the second consecutive year, Ntilikina averaged only 18 minutes a game and 5..2 points off the bench.

Fraschilla said Ntilikina?s numbers aren?t ?eye-popping? because his team has several good former college players on it, and he has an advantage of playing with and against men. He likes Ntilikina?s size and versatility to play both backcourt positions.

?He?s not a point guard, he?s not a two guard, he can do a little bit of everything,? Fraschilla said. ?He?s got tremendous length to be a good defender. He?s a good NBA athlete potentially. But he?s skilled. He?s learning how to play the game. He makes good decisions. He?s been well coached.

?He is a very good prospect but he?s not an instant impact step right in and average 32 minutes a game. You?re getting a good long-term prospect who does a lot of different things well for his age.?

Smith, an attack guard, was once mentioned with Markelle Fultz and Lonzo Ball, who are projected to be taken one and two overall. But Smith tore his ACL his senior year of high school so he wasn?t as sharp in his one season at North Carolina State.

Yet Smith still averaged 18.1 points and 6.2 assists in a tough situation. Coach Mark Gottfried was on the hot seat for much of the season and eventually was fired.

Fraschilla worked with Smith in Under Armour camps and compared him to NBA All-Star Kyle Lowry because of ?his Alpha Dog toughness, bulldog mentality.?

?Dennis is a terrific athlete who still is learning how to play the game,? Fraschilla said. ?He?s a piece of silly putty. The team that drafts him, they?re getting an athletic lead guard who can score, who can get to the rim, who?s a reasonably good shooter at the moment but has to get better in that regard. But he has an Alpha Dog mentality.

?He was every bit on the level of Fultz and Ball before he got hurt before his senior year. They were all in the same tier. This kid has a bright long-term future.

The big question is which player fits better in the triangle offense, because the Knicks will be running that fulltime this season. Fraschilla said both do.

?Theoretically Frank probably fits the triangle better with his versatility,? Fraschilla said. ?But with a 24-second shot clock you still need guys that can break a defense down and make a play on their own. Dennis is more prepared to do that than Frank is. Frank?s size and versatility fit the triangle better but it doesn?t necessarily mean they don?t need Dennis? attributes also.?
 
Fran speaking on ROY is pointless to me, I mean let's be real Fultz probably won't be at that level either playing for Boston. If we're going off drafting circumstance I could see Tatum or Jackson winning it depending on where they are drafted. Here's what I know Fran loves both of those Kentucky guards(Fox and Monk) immensely and justifiably so. He probably feels those 2 are the front runners to win it

With that being said wonderful write up on both kids and he compared Smith to the same player I did(Lowry) after I amended my Kyrie statement(Go see Page 1 of this thread). Fair write up and he's probably a major initial source conduit about the French Kid to begin with. If we draft Frank it's also another reason I kind of want to trade #kporzee I think we need a little more than just him, in this draft. I'm talking 1st round talent. I'm cool with drafting him honestly.

I've also repeated one of the things about #kporzee I don't like that he's a he's phony passive aggressive caping non Alpha. Good post Mafra nothing Fran said changed my viewpoints of them.
 
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The interest is real, and he did very well for himself in the tourney with exception to the championship game



If we want to go back in this thread to find a detail/clue into this draft, the Orlando off-season gaff kind of provides a clue on what they might do(type of player they'll target with their pick). Look at pages 4-7 in this thread
 
I think what Fraschilla said about Frank being a better fit in Phil's triangle is what makes PJ choose Frank over Smith. Ridiculous as that sounds to get players for a system that the Knicks will only run for 2 more years while PJ is here but that's the Knicks.
 
Interesting read from a fan that compared guys NCAA stats with past players. His number 1 is Ball over Fultz based on bball IQ. Advanced stats I've been reading say Ball is off the charts in team points per possession despite him not being a top tier scorer, just has the knack of making his teammates better. I've said I have my doubts about the guy, his athleticism and his funky jump shot, but maybe that elite passing ability and IQ outweigh his flaws. I like his writeup about Isaac who he has at 4, if he's around at 8 I'd take him over Frank and Smith if both are there at 8.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/6dx15v/oc_i_wrote_some_code_to_generate_comparable_nba/

I wanted to put into perspective how deep this draft class is and put in perspective the type of season each top prospect had relative to an NBA player's college season(s). So, I decided to compute cosine similarity scores between the top prospects in this draft and NBA players’ NCAA seasons.

Dating back to the 1993 Draft, I took every top 5 pick, every all-star or all-NBA player drafted, and as the drafts got closer to the modern era, I included more players drafted who may not be all stars but are currently contributing on NBA teams (Marcus Smart, Andre Roberson, etc.), as well as non-Top 5 drafted players who may not be currently contributing but had some interesting NCAA seasons (Trey Burke, James Young, etc.). I ignored international and high school drafted players since they didn't have any NCAA data (sorry Dirk, Kobe, LeBron, etc.). I wanted to compare NCAA season to NCAA season.

I computed two cosine similarity values between all of those seasons and each prospect’s season. One was for their per 40 minutes stats and the other was for their advanced stats. Overall, I inputted 446 NCAA seasons from NBA players. I used sports-reference.com to get this data. However, the 1997-98 NCAA per 40 minutes stats were incomplete, as well as every player’s NCAA seasons from the 2009 Draft, which was really odd. So no Griffin, Curry, or Harden comps. Additionally, I only computed the advanced stat similarity on seasons from 2010-11 onward, as every season beforehand was incomplete in someway. So, I returned two sets of the 30 most similar seasonal per 40 minute stat lines and the 30 most similar seasonal advanced stat lines. I then took the intersection of both sets to get the “most similar” seasons produced by an NBA player in the NCAA for each prospect.

Here’s the github repo for all the nerds. I separated the results by guards, wings, and bigs. For the per 40 min. similarity, I took into account FG%, 2P%, 3P%, FT%, PTS, AST, TRB, STL, and BLKs. For the adv stats similarity, I took into account TS%, eFG%, FTr, WS/40, ORB%, DRB%, AST%, STL%, BLK%, TOV%, USG%, PER, OBPM, and DBPM. The results were interesting. Some results made a lot of sense, others… not as much. I came here to share the results and write a little about the consensus top 10 freshmen, and then write a little less about some of the other prospects in the dataset. So, here we go:

Some terms I will be using:

Unique p40 == an NBA player’s NCAA season per 40 minutes stat line that was only returned for this prospect.

Unique adv == an NBA player’s NCAA season advanced stat line that was only returned for this prospect.

(xNumber) means the number of NCAA seasons from that particular NBA player.

F., So.,J.,Se. == Freshman, Sophomore, Junior, and Senior years, respectively.

The order in which I wrote the first 10 players is my opinion based on how transcendent they could be. Determining an order for 3-7 was quite challenging. Don't hate on me for being high or low on somebody because I think the first 10 players are all really good prospects.

1. Lonzo Ball - The most unique prospect in the dataset. His stats were so ridiculous that he returned the lowest similarity scores in the system. Jason Kidd’s sophomore year was Lonzo’s #1 per 40 minute similarity score. He was the only player to return a single season of Jason Kidd, and he managed to return both Kidd’s freshmen year and sophomore year. He also returned both of Rondo’s Kentucky seasons, which shows what Ball can be if his jump shot doesn’t translate. The system also returned both of MCW’s Syracuse seasons, two Kris Dunn seasons, and Evan Turner’s magical Junior OSU season, showing that he can bust just as easily as he can turn into the next JKidd. However, he produced unprecedented stats for a Freshman guard and appears to have a legendary BBIQ, which is why I give him the slight edge over Fultz.

Unique p40: Kidd (x2), Conley.

Others returned: Westbrook, Grant Hill, Artest, Penny (x2), Deron Williams (x2), Bibby, Wall, DRose.

2. Markelle Fultz - The only player in the dataset to return both of Westbrook’s UCLA seasons. Additionally, him and Fox were the only players to return an Iverson season. Fultz, however, returned the more impressive AI season (Sophomore). I was a little surprised that Penny didn’t show up given how similar his Junior season was. Fultz is a ferocious scorer, and he’s going to get a lot of buckets in his career. Kyrie Irving showed up in the intersection set, but so did Reggie Jackson, Trey Burke, and Dion Waiters. His scoring potential is outrageous though, exemplified by Westbrook and Iverson showing up in the per40 set, which is why he’ll be the #1 pick in the draft, presumably.

Unique p40: Westbrook (x2), Iverson (So.), Baron Davis, Avery Bradley.

Others returned: Francis, Marbury, Arenas, Irving, Roy, Rose, DRussell.

3. De’Aaron Fox - The only top guard to return a Dwyane Wade season, which is Fox’s absolute ceiling if he never develops a 3-point shot. Wade shot 28.7% from 3 for his career and racked up a 57.8 career VORP. They actually resemble each other in that they’re not good 3-point shooters, they shoot in the mid-70s from the line, they’re great defenders, and they’re ridiculous slashers. He also was the only prospect to return AI’s freshmen season (in which he shot 23.2% from 3 on 151 attempts). Fox is crazy fast and quick, so these two comps fit his absolute ceiling. A more realistic pessimistic outcome, is Marcus Smart or Elfrid Payton, who showed up in the intersection set. However, if Fox develops a jumper or puts it together like DWade or AI did with a below average 3-point shot, he will be a franchise guard. I have confidence that his slashing ability, pull up game, defense, and overall athleticism will allow him to prosper on a court with more space than in college. I also have confidence that his jumper will improve with reps because he probably never had to shoot in games due to him being quicker than everybody and his form is pretty damn crispy (maybe it just looks that way because he's a lefty). If he becomes a 3-point threat, it’s game over.

Unique p40: Iverson (F.).

Others returned: Wade, Westbrook, Francis, Penny, Marbury, Arenas, Wall, Lillard, Kemba, Roy, IT4 (x2), DRose.

4. Jonathan Isaac - Isaac may have returned the most accurate results based on the eye test. He might be the best overall defender in the draft (maybe a little less perimeter defense than Jackson, but more rim protection), and the results show this. He was the only prospect to return two seasons of Kawhi. His advanced stats similarity set returned all three of Roberson’s Colorado seasons, when no other 1st round prospect returned one. His #1 per 40 min. comp returned was Al-Farouq Aminu, which exemplifies the role he could fill in the NBA by being able to play the 3, 4, or even small ball 5. Behind Ball, he might be the most unique guy in the class. While he might be too passive or too much of a tweener to be a superstar, he could be a super role player with all-NBA defense like what Iguodala is on the Warriors. However, I think his ceiling is absolutely outrageous just because of his combination of defense, length, and shooting. Also interestingly, Isaac was the only guard or wing to return Anthony Davis and Karl Towns in the advanced stats set.

Unique p40: Kawhi (x2).

Unique adv: Roberson (x3).

Others returned: Carter, Marion, Bosh, Gerald Wallace, Gordon Hayward.

5. Malik Monk - No one returned a single JJ Redick Duke season; Monk returned all 4. Monk also returned Kyrie, Kemba, Rip Hamilton, and Isaiah Thomas seasons showing that he could be more than just a shooter at the NBA level. Unfortunately, defense is half the game, and he’ll have to improve his tenacity on that end. The system returned Devin Booker as the most similar player, (#4 in per40 behind Redick’s senior year, Afflalo, and Eric Gordon; #2 in adv to Gary Harris). Guys like OJ Mayo and Nik Stauskas were returned, showing Monk’s floor. However, if Monk shows that he was as underutilized as Booker was at Kentucky, then the sky’s the limit for his scoring potential.

Unique p40: Lillard (x3), Redick (x4), Eric Gordon.

Others returned: Irving, Kemba, IT4, Rip Hamilton, Klay (x2), McCollum (x2).

6. Josh Jackson - I had him at 3 until I embarked on this project. He wasn’t getting ranked above Ball and Fultz. Fox and Isaac returned more interesting results, and Monk could be the best scorer out of everyone not named Fultz. The system returned Justise Winslow as Jackson’s most similar player. He was #2 to Oladipo in the per40 set and #2 to Taurean Prince in the adv set. I asked myself if I would take Winslow over any of the ridiculously talented guards in this draft and that's a tough question. While I think Winslow is a great player and still has upside, he is limited to 3-D wing without the ‘3’ (at least for now). I’m afraid that this is the fate of Jackson. However, Jackson can do so many other things well, which is why I have him above DSJ. He might be the best perimeter defender in the draft, he rebounds and passes well for a wing, can slash easily, and finish with authority. If he figures out his jumper, he could wind up being the best player in the draft. His shooting mechanics aren't as clean as Fox's, which is why I'm a little higher on Fox than Jackson.

Unique p40: Josh Howard (x3)

Others returned: Pierce, Carter, Artest, Jason Richardson, Granger, Roy, Stackhouse.

7. Dennis Smith Jr. - One of three prospects to return Chris Paul (along with Jawun Evans and Monte Morris). In both sets, the most similar season was identical. That was Isaiah Thomas’ final season at Washington. DSJ returned some impressive names, but I’m worried about his BBIQ and defense. The system returned Isaiah Thomas, Trey Burke, Tyler Ennis, and Kyrie Irving as the 4 most similar players. DSJ returned enough impressive guards to keep him in the top 7. Out of the prospects in my 3-7 range, I think Fox is the best player, think Isaac has the highest ceiling, think Monk is the best fit in the modern NBA, and Jackson has the most 2-way potential. I feel like Dennis Smith Jr. is the wildcard. He could turn out to be the best player in the group or bust entirely.

Unique p40: None

Others returned: CP3, Westbrook, Francis, Marbury, Bibby, Wall, Irving, Kemba, IT4, DRose.

8. Jayson Tatum - The system was kind to Tatum, returning some supreme talents. However, I think this ranking is where he fits, below five guards who will be impact players in an increasingly small-ball, modern NBA, and below two more versatile forwards. Tatum put up some impressive numbers at Duke, which is why Durant and Melo’s Freshmen seasons were returned. Also, Paul George makes his lone appearance here, showing what Tatum’s absolute ceiling is. However, I think a more reasonable comp is Tobias Harris, someone who showed up in the intersection set. Harris is a decent defender and a decent offensive player, and averaged 16/5/2 on a 48/35/84 shooting line this past season for the Pistons. I can see Tatum averaging that if he puts it all together, but I don't know if he's elite at anything, just like Harris. I'm also really glad Rudy Gay showed up here because I feel like Tatum is the second coming of him.

Unique p40: Paul George, Michael Redd.

Others returned: Durant, Carmelo, Jimmy Butler, Rudy Gay.

9. Lauri Markkanen - Lauri Markannen’s top 2 most similar per 40 minute stat lines were both of Ryan Anderson’s seasons at Cal. I’m pretty confident he can step in and reasonably fill a Ryan Anderson role on a team as a stretch 4/5. The reason why he’s this low is because his defense is pathetic. 0.7 blocks per 40 minutes is absolutely terrible for a 7 footer. However, he can clearly shoot, and 7 footers who can hit threes at an elite clip are certainly valuable commodities nowadays.

Unique p40: Van Horn (x4).

Others returned: Durant, Carmelo, Szczerbiak.

10. Zach Collins - The advanced stats God. Here are some of the players in the advanced stats similarity set for Collins: Anthony Davis, Karl Towns, Embiid, Drummond, Steven Adams, Tristan Thompson, Nerlens, Roberson, and Myles Turner. Collins produced a godly 30.9 PER and the highest Win Shares per 40 minutes out of any prospect I put into the system (there were 46 of them). His stats are a little inflated since he played in the WCC, but it’s still impressive considering he was a Freshman. The system returned Richaun Holmes as Collins' most similar player (Richaun's Junior and Sophomore years were the Top 2 most similar in the intersection set). I can see Collins filling a RichHolmieChaun role for a team: energy, shot blocking, and the occasional 3 pointer, with the ceiling to eventually be a starting center.

Unique p40: None

Others returned: Webber, Bosh, Love, Vucevic.

Some other prospects I included in the dataset but won't write about as much as I did the first 10:

Donovan Mitchell - Returned a Billups season, a Nash season, and a Rip Hamilton season. Most similar player was Gary Harris. He has the potential to be a really good 2-way guard, and he'd probably be 11th on my board. After Mitchell and Ntilikina, I have no clue how to rank anybody else.

Jawun Evans - Returned four Steve Nash seasons! Also, a CP3, Billups, Marbury, Bibby, Deron Williams, Wall, Kyrie, Kemba, and IT4 season. His top 3 most similar players were Tyler Ennis, Trey Burke, and Isaiah Thomas, exemplifying his low floor and high ceiling.

Luke Kennard - Returned a Sugar Ray season. Most similar player was fellow lefty shooting guard Dukie Rodney Hood.

Tyler Dorsey - Returned two Sugar Ray seasons. Interestingly, Jamal Murray’s Kentucky season was the #1 similar per 40 minute stat line and #1 advanced stat line.

Sindarious Thornwell - Also return two Sugar Ray seasons. Most similar player was CJ McCollum, showing his scoring potential. Thornwell had a really unique season, blending elite scoring with steals and blocks and could be great value in the 2nd round (if he doesn't get scooped in the late 1st).

Justin Jackson (UNC) - Allen Crabbe showed up in his intersection set. I feel like he could be Allen Crabbe.

Monte Morris - Only player to return both of Chris Paul’s Wake Forest seasons. Also returned all four of Jameer Nelson’s St. Joe’s seasons showing his capability of being a floor general. Most similar player was Trey Burke.

OG Anunoby - Only player to return both of CWebb’s Michigan seasons. I think a fitting comp for him is Jae Crowder, who was his fifth most similar player. Both of Oladipo's Indiana seasons also appeared in the intersection set.

Semi Ojeleye - Also returned two seasons of Sugar Ray. Most similar player was Doug McDermott. I guess that’s what happens when you shoot 3s at a high clip but only average 0.5 steals and 0.5 blocks per 40 minutes.

John Collins - The top 2 most similar seasons were Cody Zeller’s Freshman and Sophomore years at Indiana.

DJ Wilson - I think he has a ton of defensive promise having watched a lot of Michigan games. Most similar player was Bobby Portis

Nigel Hayes - The only Ben Simmons appearance in the dataset (returned in the advanced similarity set)! His three most similar players were Will Barton, Justise Winslow, and Marcus Morris, which I don't know how to interpret.

Jordan Bell - The only prospect to return a Tim Duncan season. His advanced stats similarity set included Draymond, Roberson, Nerlens, Embiid, Towns, Drummond, Adams, and Kyle Anderson, showing his defensive potential. His three most similar players were Otto Porter, Joel Embiid, and Alex Len, which is one of the weirdest results in the entire system.

Harry Giles - Not really sure how to interpret his Freshman season, but the top 3 most similar players were Steven Adams, Thomas Robinson, and Andre Drummond.

Caleb Swanigan - Most similar player was Draymond, sleeper alert? Also returned Lamar Odom, Kevin Love, and Chris Bosh seasons.

Bam Adebayo - Only one player was in his intersection set, and that was Tristan Thompson.

There are more prospects in the dataset if you want to check out the results. I really wanted to include LaVar Ball in the dataset, but his lone season was 1987-1988 which had no per 40 minutes stats on sports-reference.
 
And we know how front offices love the advance metrics these days.... I feel Isaac will be taken in the top 7, and I think there's an outside chance Collins could go as well....

Still, just shows that at worst NYK is deciding to take either Smith, Isaac, or Ntikilina.... we'll probably have a choice (between 2 of these 3).... let's hope Mr Gaines tells Phil to draft the right guy.
 
According to the internet, we're not supposed to draft Smith because he is a terrible fit for the triangle
That's PJ for you, passing on a player who may have tremendous upside for a player who may be a better system fit. Only way this makes sense in picking a player because he fits the triangle better is if Dolan has a verbal agreement with PJ for a contract extension when his 5 years are up. I wouldn't put it past Dolan to do something idiotic like that even if PJ has been a disaster so far.
 
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I wonder if C. Lee could get some tread on this? Like C. Lee and both our 2nd rd picks for #12? Problem is other teams can beat this offer!


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Sounds from this tweet possibly the 5th pick is in play.

#5, 2018 1st(Kings or Sixers) for #kporzee

#5, Skal, 2018 1st(Kings), 2018 1st(Sixers) for #kporzee, #8

#5 for #8, #44, #58
 
Sounds like NYK really like Justin Jax.... Maybe a deal with DET of he's still on the board?

Man, if Fox falls to 5.... NYK should jump up to grab him. If they are cool moving back to 8.... maybe we can make a move up somehow?
 
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