That's fine with me. It means we get to take Monk or DSJ, whichever of the 2 falls to us. Like Mafra said, Ntilikina, Monk, or DSJ, we get a guaranteed shot at a possible franchise guard. That's probably better than we deserve at the 8th pick.
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That's fine with me. It means we get to take Monk or DSJ, whichever of the 2 falls to us. Like Mafra said, Ntilikina, Monk, or DSJ, we get a guaranteed shot at a possible franchise guard. That's probably better than we deserve at the 8th pick.
mafra
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There's always a first for everything.... Greek Freak, K-Leonard, Kobe.... all were drafted in the teens.
Frenchie is athletic and long, so I think that's were the comparison comes (more than just euro-African ancestry).
Good news is he's only 18.... So, the hope is, in 3-5 years when GSW are finished.... KP-WHG and this pick are the foundation for a quality roster. Who knows.
He plays defense, passes, has solid work ethic.... definitely a little shy when it comes to offense, so that may be a red flag.
Let's see who is there at 8.... and then we'll see what we actually do.
I prefer fox or DSJ, but would be fine with this pick too.
SSj4Wingzero
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Fox at 8 would be some sort of miracle from God but I don't think that's happening I'd be cool with DSJ/Monk/Ntilikina/Isaac. Any one of those four would be a good pick if you ask me. They all have enough upside that they're worth taking at 8. My *ONLY* hope is that Phil Jackson doesn't go in on guys like Luke Kennard or Donovan Mitchell at 8
mafra
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It's a no-brainer if you're BOS, b/c Tatum and Josh Jax are both heralded prospects and BOS doesn't "need" a guard with IT, Smart, Bradley.
Tatum has a "lower" ceiling than the other top guys, b/c he lacks the explosive athletcism.... but he is a quality player who is must ready to help...
Now, if 2/3 of those guards leave in free agency and Fultz turns out to be a stud.... we'll, this trade could backfire (especially bc BOs is helping a division opponent).
Tatum has a "lower" ceiling than the other top guys, b/c he lacks the explosive athletcism.... but he is a quality player who is must ready to help...
Now, if 2/3 of those guards leave in free agency and Fultz turns out to be a stud.... we'll, this trade could backfire (especially bc BOs is helping a division opponent).
No transcendent player in this draft is the message I'm getting. No Lebron, no Durant, not even a Towns. Any year when you workout all the prospects and still say that the best guy you've seen (i.e. Fultz) isn't discernible better than the 3rd or 4th best guy you seen (i.e. Tatum or Jax) means that we might be dealing with an Anthony Bennett draft.
Lonzo Ball was supposed to be the 'special' guy in this draft, but wow did he and his father do some serious work to scare any potential suitors.
Lonzo Ball was supposed to be the 'special' guy in this draft, but wow did he and his father do some serious work to scare any potential suitors.
mafra
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I think potentially you'll see that this year. DSJ could be top pick but height and injured knee caused him to drop; Ntikilina's age and "unknown" quality has him outside top 5.... Isaac is another potential gem, along with Justin Jax or even Collins (from Gonzaga). We'll see, right?
I think Lakers and Phoenix still game for Ball and I don't think his tourney performance exactly helped him much either. At the same time while I agree, you could be on to something as far as if there's a transcending talent, maybe it's more a matter of analyst/scouting doing a poor job of identifying who that player is. Here's what I can tell you factually, there will be at minimum multiple All-Stars from this draft and probably quite a few All-NBAers when it's all said and done.
Also determining a clear consensus #1/transcending player doesn't always equate to the draft being deep, nor does it necessarily show up with team success.
Towns was clear cut #1 but Wolves have landed in the lottery back-to-back yrs with him add on Wiggins while we're at it
Kyrie Irving was clear cut #1 and Cleveland landed in the lottery yr after yr and if it wasn't for Lebron's return who knows who'd Kyrie be playing for today
It bothers me to admit this but ditto Anthony Davis draft
This draft is deep I don't think we have to worry about Fultz turning into an Anthony Bennett type pick
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Lot of history at 8. The only AS ever at 8 was Vin Baker in 1993, Jamal the best since 2000 or maybe Rudy Gay, of course it could happen that our 8 becomes a perennial AS but this is PJ and the Knicks, drafting a guy just because he can play in the triangle puts them in a hole right there. I'd rather have the guy that can jump out of the building DSJ.
The 2017 draft class are full of prospects .. when i moved out of NY i had to watch more college ball than NBA this season .. so no need to watch the work-outs.
In the past two decades the majority of the Top-20 picks in the NBA draft are Freshmen players .. having a half a foot in learning college-ball than jump into the NBA learning half of the basics of pro ball.
Recall when Knicks coach Larry Brown made the same statement several times about the Knicks roster including Iverson/Marbury/and Kobe draft-class.
The NBA may have ruled-out drafting High-school players but drafting the majority of the freshmen-class has turned out to be 10 times worst.
The pro level of athleticism out of High school the Lebron/Kobe/KG/Moses Malone/Daryl Dawkins come one out of every seven to eight years. Drafting over a dozen of freshmen players in the top 20 picks each season does not speed up the process of Mother-Nature.
The NBA has drafted a lot of Anthony Bennett types in the first 10 picks of the draft in the past 20 seasons.
Do Boston need any of the 2017 top-10 picks of the 19 yr old freshmen guards? NO!
Do Boston need 6.8 Josh Jackson? or 6.8 J.Tatum? or 6.11 J. Isaac? or Paul George? Yes!
Boston has a great 2-way PG-Smart who could defend 3 positions, a maturing scoring SG-Bradley, plus a creative first-step PG Isaiah (aka Iverson) .. Boston 3 rotation guards gives Boston the ability to transcend from small-ball to Big-Ball with one substitution to outsmart opponents .. Amir Johnson shoulder injury made Boston uncompetitive in the ECF vs Cavs.
Didn't see this but this was tweeted earlier around the time I posted the one today from Begley
This seals it for me, if FRAUD's reporting is accurate. I think FRAUD has connected the dots through back channels much like others have. Was never that high on Frank and the first tweet I dropped from Begley with him taking pics with Mavs execs but had refused up until that point to meet with us was all I needed to know.
So we need to keep Fake Hustling interest in him and make the Mavs sweat because we know they want him without a shadow of a doubt
DraftExpress probably will get a dozen picks right out of the 60 picks .. i dont think Philly n Boston will be the only teams switching picks before draft night .. i wonder what Phil n Mill are doing other than nuthing
Now that's something a horse trader can use. Frank wants to be in Dallas, Dallas is interested in his French coach. I'd drop a spot if the Mavs want him that bad, would they trade a first to move up a spot.
The Mavs have very little besides 1st rounders every yr going forward. I doubt they'd trade a 1st to move up 1 spot. If they feel absolutely necessary they'd do it with a team higher than us, maybe Orlando(who had always puzzled me this draft). That would be a reach for the Mavs IMO.
Now Stefan Bondy of NYDN rebuttal this tweet saying Knicks have scouted him the hardest as in we've done more work to build interest but stopped short of Frankie sending strong signals wanting to be a Knick. Supposedly Roddy Beaubois(former Mavs pick) tipped them off to Frankie.
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