All i know is that you are an idiot if you think we can win it all with Z-Bo and Crawford. I would argue we probably still would be struggling to make the playoffs. You can have one of them, if their supporting player is really strong defensively (a defensive minded center, or PG) or your team has strong team defense. but neither is a great #1 option. Z-Bo is an decent #1. Crawford is always bottom of the league in efficiency. I don't wanna hear that he can create....So many guards in this league can create...he is more unsucessful at it than others. Don Nelson doesn't even want him. That debate is over.
One of the more noticeable trends in the NBA is teams with garbage number 1 options being garbage teams.
On the original topic: We need a legit starter. We don't have one right now.
Wow: a guy who calls himself clumsy calling others idiots. I think the truth is that you're a f'n idiot, ABCD is one of the smartest posters on this site. What he has been saying, for the longest, along with me, is that, with a new coach and a real center, ideally Brook Lopez, the Knicks could have likely made the playoffs, had they kept Jamal and Zach, with Duhon or Starchild at the point. It's a fact that we were at .500, before these trades were pulled off, and that's without a real center on our roster.
Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford are some of the best offensive players, at their positions, and that's statistically a fact: top 10. Randolph, for the record, shot 43% during his first 11 NBA games, with the Knicks, and he went on to shoot 49% on the clippers, for the rest of the season; and he is at 47%, total, for this season. Crawford is a streaky shooter, but there have been excellent Knick guards, in our history, like Starks and Sprewell, who were also streak shooters. The difference between them and Jamal is that they lived off of #33.
Bottom line is that these guys can ball. But, just like any other players, outside of guys that can put together 5 or 6 shots in a row, consistently: Wade, Lebron and Kobe, if not given help, they're not going to succeed. All of the teams Jamal and Zach have been signed to were garbage, before they ever got to them. Instead of the Knicks adding the needed pieces: a powerful center, after a decade of not having one, they start from scratch, which is counterproductive.
So why have the Knicks, not these two guys, but the Knicks teams, failed? The Knicks, in particular, have stunk, for so long, because they bought into the hype around Camby, a guy who's a choke artist, lacks clutch and can only block the shots of small, weak players: bigger, or stronger, guys have always had his D for lunch. Since then, they've gone downhill, everyone knows that. And Zach and Jamal were not a part of any of that.
The Knicks will continue to fail, until they get a real big man, who can block shots, play help D, play the pick and roll and finish at the basket, with post moves or shooting, and dumping it off on Jamal, whose job has always been to shoot (nothing else), or any other player, i.e. Harrington, will not change that.