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Unless he's willing to take 20 cents on the dollar with his buyout which would be about 10M he's worth more to the Knicks in NY than somewhere else after we pay him 50M to leave, Phil buys him out for 50M he's an idiot. The guy is a pro, plays hurt, by all accounts is a good teammate and I hope no one around here calls him a cancer. Want to cut out a cancer fire PJ at least his salary doesn't count against the cap.
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I agree with that TIG. At the least, he'll take defensive pressure off of KP and allow the kid to (hopefully) bust out this year, in his third season, and become a consistent presence throughout 82 games.
It would be stupid to pay Melo 48 million to go compete for a title in CLE. Why should Cavs get to add a talent like Melo at very little cost?
If CLE wants Melo, surrender Love or Thompsons. Simple as that.
Again.... maybe in 2 weeks a suitor emerges or perhaps in Feb. if BOS can't convince GH to take a 50 mil paycut and they miss out on PG.... they might come crawling.
It would be stupid to pay Melo 48 million to go compete for a title in CLE. Why should Cavs get to add a talent like Melo at very little cost?
If CLE wants Melo, surrender Love or Thompsons. Simple as that.
Again.... maybe in 2 weeks a suitor emerges or perhaps in Feb. if BOS can't convince GH to take a 50 mil paycut and they miss out on PG.... they might come crawling.
I get what you guys are saying but once again, it's business and you have to detach any sentimental/emotional feelings here. What we pay him to go away is irrelevant for what we need on the court and for our culture moving forward. This has nothing to do with Melo's rep or label as a player, nothing at all at this point. Phil last commented that he respects Melo, so there you go(even if on the inside he doesn't mean it, although contract given Melo suggest at one point he did).
His representatives went to our execs(if true), that tells you where he's at "mentally". Danny Ainge didn't want to give up a competitive offer for #kporzee he's not doing that for Melo amidst a tumultuous season, get real.
Melo actually has done us a really bad disservice here...he just told the whole league they don't have to offer anything because guess what I may end up being bought out. Teams will wait this out because they can, meanwhile we really can't, not for culture purposes. Gotta see the forest through the trees on this one. At some point we have to stop operating through the guise of winning media battles(optics) on tough issues facing this organization.
It's mentioned Philly and Washington are on his list(for family reasons) btw, not Cleveland...why worry where he might end up?
His representatives went to our execs(if true), that tells you where he's at "mentally". Danny Ainge didn't want to give up a competitive offer for #kporzee he's not doing that for Melo amidst a tumultuous season, get real.
Melo actually has done us a really bad disservice here...he just told the whole league they don't have to offer anything because guess what I may end up being bought out. Teams will wait this out because they can, meanwhile we really can't, not for culture purposes. Gotta see the forest through the trees on this one. At some point we have to stop operating through the guise of winning media battles(optics) on tough issues facing this organization.
It's mentioned Philly and Washington are on his list(for family reasons) btw, not Cleveland...why worry where he might end up?
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The more I think of this the better it might be for us to buy him out, if considering optics(although I'm not). If we release him with a respectable buyout it's actually freeing him on better terms than a trade or mitigating his role, making his last season or two miserable. Also he has an option on his contract after this coming season, he could straight up walk anyway.
mafra
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For me, this has nothing to do with optics. I'm not concerned with how it looks one way or another... I just care about what's best for the team.
And, for me at least, this isn't emotional.... I, too, wish people would remove emotions from the equation. There seems to be a cry from the Melo haters that NYK is better without him, no matter how they get rid of him. This is crazy talk.
Last year was insane and Melo stood tall and handled everything like a pro. It was borderline admirable what he endured.... I don't buy that he's a cancer or a bad locker room guy.
Now, Phil can clamor and complain that Melo is causing players to disengage from coaching and not accept the triangle.... and, while there may be truth to this feeling.... well, the negatives don't outweigh the positives.
Melo is the lightning rod taking heat off of KP. He's also a much better player than Lance Thomas or whatever vet we bring in to replace him.
So, what to do? At worst, Melo stays all year and his presence means we pick 6th instead of 3rd? We all know he's opting out after next season.... so, we're talking about 1 more season with Melo.
Why not hold out hope.... call everybody's bluff. This is the responsible thing to do if you are PHil. Hold out and try to get an asset for Melo this summer or in feb. If not, and nothing gives, then big deal. KP and Melo play 1 more season together.
Heck, if KP blows up this season and plays like a true all star.... maybe having Melo means 6th seed.... and not having Melo means missing playoffs. And, the goal should be to get the kids playoff experience and start building a winning culture.
Removing Melo isn't going to change the culture if this team is losing 55 games without Melo any way.
We must remove emotion here folks.... we have an asset in melo. What's it worth? Well, hold on to him thru trade deadline and find out. If nobody budges.... buy him out after trade deadline passes.
I do feel there are those that feels he's a cancer, like I said it's not about that. No one can prove if he is or isn't, I doubt he is personally. This has everything to do with on court development and a passing of the guard. The last 3 seasons has produced losing at a franchise record level, and Melo's been here for all of it. Now one can say he's done his part...this will only hold so much weight. He deserves some blame wherever it may lie. What Melo has never proven to be throughout his whole career being a SOLUTION, he's more problem than solution.
Melo and his camp opened this can of worms not Phil this time and yet again there's a narrative being spoken of how good soldier Melo's been. Who cares! I doubt Phil wants him gone because he isn't professional, Phil wants him gone because he doesn't fit the roster anymore and the longer he stays the more misfit he becomes. Is it Phil's fault the way the roster is shaped...sure by and large but still Melo doesn't fit. Melo is no longer in his prime, we have to get the absolute most out of our younger players and Melo doesn't really help them make leaps in their development.
The best thing at this point is to have a shot to get a Melo caliber or better type player(not a fan of this type but there's value having this type of talent), "who's young". The only way is through the draft which is where we're headed with or without Melo...past 3yrs has proven such.
I feel his team did this on purpose because they are very calculated and fairly smart when they want what they want. This was a chess move and once again puts Phil in a position to be a slug and hanging it over our season.
Here's the question you have to ask yourself as a fan, taking this rumor as true...
Wouldn't that have been more noble and logical? At some point fellas you have to see Melo for what he's been his whole career, he's...SELFISH!
Phil should attempt to buy him out and negotiate just like he should have been a tough negotiator on the original contract. This time around though, be really rigid(make it about cap space) and force Melo's hand because Phil would've acquiesced to his demand but turn Melo into being about his money or really winning. Trust Melo is about his money, he wants to be free right now so he can start working on his next contract. If he cared about the Knicks and this coming season he wouldn't have asked for a buyout. He needs to be bought out this is the best thing to do for our organization.
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mafra
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For me, this isn't about Melo but about the team.
Reports already surfacing that Phil spurned Melo's selfish attempt to get his cake and eat it too. Good! If Melo wants out, expand list and let Phil go to work. Otherwise, who cares what Melo thinks. Sit down and do what team think is best.
Phil brought Lee, Noah, and Rose here to help and appease Melo. Anthony didn't change and NY lost again. So, why should NYK let Melo run to CLE and keep his 55 mil.
If Melo wants a buy out.... then take a 20 mil hit. Otherwise, he's property of NYK and the team will keep its asset and either benefits from wins or he waived NTC and team gets something for him.
I think this is a game of chicken. Lebron has convinced Melo how to play this.... we can afford to wait this out. We probably get nothing for Melo.... no big deal. But Melo doesn't get what he wants. If he wants to leave then melo eother waives NTC or take a salary cut.
Dolan shouldn't have to pay Melo 50 million, only to watch them praise Melo next June when CLE is in the finals. Screw that. Make Melo choose.... if he stays.... fine. 1 more year and he'll probably help us get a lottery pick.
Now, the talk of the team moving on.... sure, that sounds great.... but if we have even a little hope Melo waives NTC and some
Team gets desperate next feb.... Phil would be remiss if he didn't try.
let Melo opt out and walk and leave town a failure.
Don't let him walk and say he was forced out. If he wants to leave.... take 20 mil and leave.
Reports already surfacing that Phil spurned Melo's selfish attempt to get his cake and eat it too. Good! If Melo wants out, expand list and let Phil go to work. Otherwise, who cares what Melo thinks. Sit down and do what team think is best.
Phil brought Lee, Noah, and Rose here to help and appease Melo. Anthony didn't change and NY lost again. So, why should NYK let Melo run to CLE and keep his 55 mil.
If Melo wants a buy out.... then take a 20 mil hit. Otherwise, he's property of NYK and the team will keep its asset and either benefits from wins or he waived NTC and team gets something for him.
I think this is a game of chicken. Lebron has convinced Melo how to play this.... we can afford to wait this out. We probably get nothing for Melo.... no big deal. But Melo doesn't get what he wants. If he wants to leave then melo eother waives NTC or take a salary cut.
Dolan shouldn't have to pay Melo 50 million, only to watch them praise Melo next June when CLE is in the finals. Screw that. Make Melo choose.... if he stays.... fine. 1 more year and he'll probably help us get a lottery pick.
Now, the talk of the team moving on.... sure, that sounds great.... but if we have even a little hope Melo waives NTC and some
Team gets desperate next feb.... Phil would be remiss if he didn't try.
let Melo opt out and walk and leave town a failure.
Don't let him walk and say he was forced out. If he wants to leave.... take 20 mil and leave.
mafra
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The more I look at it... think about it.... The only reasonable way it makes sense for NYK to buy-out Melo is if Melo waves his Early Termination Option for 2018-2019....
2018-19 (ETO): $27,928,140
It's insane to expect NYK to pay Melo 25 million this year and then another 25 million next year for him to play in CLE.
They should meet in the middle. NYK will pay his salary this year, let him walk and go compete for a ring in CLE. For the luxury of earning his freedom, Melo waves his ETO option.
Melo then bets on himself thinking after he showcases what he does playing with Lebron, some team will offer him a 2 year deal for 30 mil.
If he frees NY of his cap hit next year, then NY gains real, tangible value. They then gain enough to warrant moving forward.
But, if I'm Dolan, after all I've done for Melo, if this is how he responds.... by holding me hostage with his NTC, then asking me to pay him another 50 mil to go away.... telling me it's about family, when he is an adulterer.... crying about wanting to stAy in NYC to be near his son, but then is willing to go to Cle.... I tell Melo he'll stay in NY and ride bench all next season. I won't even dress him.
I thinks waiving his ETO is best for all involved here. We do it now, before free agency begins and Melo has chance to land where he wants... PHI, WAS, BOS, CLE.
Offer it to Melo now and say deal ends when free agency begins. And, when free agency begins, there will be no talk of a buy out until next July. He. An have his 55 million or he can take 25 and leave.... there will be no other choice, unless he waives his NTC.
2018-19 (ETO): $27,928,140
It's insane to expect NYK to pay Melo 25 million this year and then another 25 million next year for him to play in CLE.
They should meet in the middle. NYK will pay his salary this year, let him walk and go compete for a ring in CLE. For the luxury of earning his freedom, Melo waves his ETO option.
Melo then bets on himself thinking after he showcases what he does playing with Lebron, some team will offer him a 2 year deal for 30 mil.
If he frees NY of his cap hit next year, then NY gains real, tangible value. They then gain enough to warrant moving forward.
But, if I'm Dolan, after all I've done for Melo, if this is how he responds.... by holding me hostage with his NTC, then asking me to pay him another 50 mil to go away.... telling me it's about family, when he is an adulterer.... crying about wanting to stAy in NYC to be near his son, but then is willing to go to Cle.... I tell Melo he'll stay in NY and ride bench all next season. I won't even dress him.
I thinks waiving his ETO is best for all involved here. We do it now, before free agency begins and Melo has chance to land where he wants... PHI, WAS, BOS, CLE.
Offer it to Melo now and say deal ends when free agency begins. And, when free agency begins, there will be no talk of a buy out until next July. He. An have his 55 million or he can take 25 and leave.... there will be no other choice, unless he waives his NTC.
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mafra
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NY Post - Marc Berman
Knicks balk at Carmelo Anthony power play to force way to Cavs
Knicks president Phil Jackson said last week Carmelo Anthony ?just as soon? prefers to stay a Knick. Reportedly, he would just as soon be LeBron James? running mate with the Cavaliers.
An ESPN report stated Tuesday that Anthony?s agents have approached the Knicks about getting waived via a buyout in order to sign as a free agent with the Cavaliers, and got rebuffed.
It is hardly a secret James would love Anthony on the roster. Nevertheless, the mixed messages coming from the Anthony camp is confusing. The same report stated Anthony?s preference is to remain a Knick ? which corresponds to what Jackson said. But the allure of James and his former Knicks buddies J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert have become enticing.
A source confirmed the Knicks are aware Anthony prefers getting released rather than agreeing to a trade, even if he would lose a trade-kicker bonus. Anthony understands the Cavaliers don?t have the assets to make a deal for him, and this way he can add depth to the Eastern Conference champions without taking away a major piece such as Kevin Love, who is being dangled for Paul George.
According to a source, Jackson?s stance is he will not give up Anthony without gaining an asset or two and remains determined to find a trade partner. After all, Anthony, 33, is just a few months older than James.
The Knicks have not entirely ruled out the stretch provision with Anthony, which would give them an extra $15.4 million in cap space in spreading his $54.1 million contract over five years.
But the Knicks, according to a source, would consider that maneuver only as ?an asset?? if it means the extra cap savings definitively would net them a star player.
?That?s unlikely,?? the source said.
Otherwise, the cap space is an abstract asset in their eyes, not to mention Anthony would be on the books for five years in the stretch scenario.
Jackson desperately is trying to rebuild and develop young players. One last-resort option is to try to play Anthony off the bench and give larger roles to the younger players.
Knicks balk at Carmelo Anthony power play to force way to Cavs
Knicks president Phil Jackson said last week Carmelo Anthony ?just as soon? prefers to stay a Knick. Reportedly, he would just as soon be LeBron James? running mate with the Cavaliers.
An ESPN report stated Tuesday that Anthony?s agents have approached the Knicks about getting waived via a buyout in order to sign as a free agent with the Cavaliers, and got rebuffed.
It is hardly a secret James would love Anthony on the roster. Nevertheless, the mixed messages coming from the Anthony camp is confusing. The same report stated Anthony?s preference is to remain a Knick ? which corresponds to what Jackson said. But the allure of James and his former Knicks buddies J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert have become enticing.
A source confirmed the Knicks are aware Anthony prefers getting released rather than agreeing to a trade, even if he would lose a trade-kicker bonus. Anthony understands the Cavaliers don?t have the assets to make a deal for him, and this way he can add depth to the Eastern Conference champions without taking away a major piece such as Kevin Love, who is being dangled for Paul George.
According to a source, Jackson?s stance is he will not give up Anthony without gaining an asset or two and remains determined to find a trade partner. After all, Anthony, 33, is just a few months older than James.
The Knicks have not entirely ruled out the stretch provision with Anthony, which would give them an extra $15.4 million in cap space in spreading his $54.1 million contract over five years.
But the Knicks, according to a source, would consider that maneuver only as ?an asset?? if it means the extra cap savings definitively would net them a star player.
?That?s unlikely,?? the source said.
Otherwise, the cap space is an abstract asset in their eyes, not to mention Anthony would be on the books for five years in the stretch scenario.
Jackson desperately is trying to rebuild and develop young players. One last-resort option is to try to play Anthony off the bench and give larger roles to the younger players.
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S.Bondy in NY Daily News:
A league source said one team to monitor is the Spurs, who are trying to unload an unhappy LaMarcus Aldridge and finding the trade market thin. However, it's unclear if Anthony would waive his no-trade clause to go to San Antonio, or anywhere, for that matter.
A league source said one team to monitor is the Spurs, who are trying to unload an unhappy LaMarcus Aldridge and finding the trade market thin. However, it's unclear if Anthony would waive his no-trade clause to go to San Antonio, or anywhere, for that matter.
My wish was granted......according to the Daily News
[h=1]Knicks fire team president Phil Jackson amid feuds with stars Carmelo Anthony, Kristaps Porzingis[/h]
The trade Melo at all costs is going to change now that PJ is gone. The talk of a buyout or stretching him was debunked, with PJ gone I think Melo gets more comfortable with the idea of staying in NY an idea he already stated but he'll now be much happier with PJ gone. I don't see a happy Melo waiving his NTC to play in far off SA. His NTC is something we're going to have to live with and is another fail of PJ.
This is what I'm thinking as well. Watch Melo play all year for us, pickup his option for next year, and then 2 years from now we'll be talking about whether we're going to resign him. This franchise is unbelievable.
and1
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woop woop! now let's hope that dolan doesn't hire another 'master manipulator' mind-game ego maniac to replace him.
and1
Rotation player
we can now pretty much safely assume that melo will retire a knick.... unless of course lala is willing to move to another city.
hey, ya never know... but i doubt it.
Right on top of it my man. I knew the Rockets wanted him and Paul George. Opt in deal, meaning the Rox were where he wanted to be. This has implications for BG and maybe Melo, Clips are breaking up that team and I would be looking to deal DJ as well.
The Clippers will receive Sam Dekker, Patrick Beverley, Lou Williams and a 2018 1st-round pick. Beverley reportedly was on the trade block before the move.