Official 2017 NBA Draft Thread - June 22

mafra

Legend
A good read. I met Faulk once, at a dinner in Peekskill for Elton Brand. Agents do so much more behind the scenes for their clients than is ever made public.

These kids start getting spoiled in AAU, and it really warps a lot of their minds.

I recall playing an AAU Tourny in Montreal, and we played against Christ the King prep kids.... and for the most part I had nothing but good experiences with other players.... but by the 21st century.... these kids are taught to believe their waste smells like nirvana.

I don't blame or fault the kids tho, bc the system breeds this sort of greed and corruption. You just feel for those who actually get so wrapped up in themselves they end up squandering the talent they had....

As usually, you are the byproduct of what you surround yourself with.
 

tiger0330

Legend
A good read. I met Faulk once, at a dinner in Peekskill for Elton Brand. Agents do so much more behind the scenes for their clients than is ever made public.

These kids start getting spoiled in AAU, and it really warps a lot of their minds.

I recall playing an AAU Tourny in Montreal, and we played against Christ the King prep kids.... and for the most part I had nothing but good experiences with other players.... but by the 21st century.... these kids are taught to believe their waste smells like nirvana.

I don't blame or fault the kids tho, bc the system breeds this sort of greed and corruption. You just feel for those who actually get so wrapped up in themselves they end up squandering the talent they had....

As usually, you are the byproduct of what you surround yourself with.
Are you from Westchester? I still live there myself, I could walk to the County Center where the Westchester Knicks play. I think you're on the West Coast now IIRC.

That first story about the kid and the private jet cracked me up, reminded me of that HBO show Arliss about sports agents
 
Last edited:

mafra

Legend
I was born in White Plains, but was raised in somers....

------//

"Members of the organization have been scouting players in the draft for months; there are a few players that those members have become fond of: French guard Frank Ntilikina and Kentucky guards De?Aaron Fox and Malik Monk, among others. Also, just like the rest of the NBA, members of the organization are also enamored by Markelle Fultz, Lonzo Ball and Josh Jackson."

(Too bad we pick 7th!)

In preparation for the draft combine, ESPN?s Fran Fraschilla and Jeff Goodman answered questions about prospects on a conference call Tuesday. Here is their assessment of some players on the Knicks? radar:

Frank Ntilikina: ?Well, the broader view here is there's likely to be five point guards drafted in the first 10. It's going to be interesting. And most likely because of the fact that people don't know him like they know the four college kids, he's going to go fifth,? Fraschilla said. ?And what I love about him -- and by the way, I think he's going to be able to show you -- I hate to say this because I'm not a fan of the triangle, I think in the modern NBA the spacing doesn't work as well as it did in the old days, but he's a triangle kind of player, simply because he's not really a 1, and he's not really a 2. He's a guard.

?He can make decisions well. He shoots it well. He's athletic. He could be a good defender. And you're also looking at a kid who's still 18 years old. His long-term potential as an NBA player is very good. I watched him last summer at the Jordan Gym in New York City, and he made 27 out of 30 NBA 3s. I think people who didn't know him early on -- the obligatory line when you don't know somebody is, he's a really good athlete, but he's not a great shooter, and he's dispelling that this year in France, shooting over 40 percent from the international 3. He doesn't have the polish of a Fultz or Ball or the speed and athleticism or raw athleticism of Fox or Smith, but he has the look and feel of an NBA guard when he grows up.?

De?Aaron Fox: ?I just would say quickly that obviously De'Aaron Fox's speed and athleticism, given the way the NBA game is at the moment -- that?s going to trump the fact that he has to continue to improve his shot,? Fraschilla said. ?But I'm sure Jeff has talked to the same type of scouts who say, you cannot, in this modern NBA, teach his speed and athleticism, and unlike some of the non-shooting point guards in the league that are -- actually hurt their team, he is probably -- you could safely compare him to a young John Wall because of the same attributes. But it'll help him -- it's not in his DNA to be a great shooter, because he's never had to be, but it certainly helps him in his NBA future down the road if he continues to figure out a way to make some shots, but the speed and athleticism will get him drafted, obviously, in the top five or six.

Added Goodman: ?I think he's only helped by his character, too. I mean, high-character kid, shined when it mattered in the NCAA tournament, for the most part. I think you're looking at a guy who's certainly going to go in the top 10 and could go as high as 5.?
 

mafra

Legend
Malik Monk: ?I wish he was 6-5 and not 6-3 with an average swing span, because for me the poster child for Malik Monk is what Jamal Crawford has done in his career. I think Malik, once he settles into his NBA career, is going to be a scorer off the bench,? Fraschilla said. ?I know he probably wouldn't want to hear that, but he is a -- he is still a volume shooter. He had the ultimate green light in high school. He had a green light at Kentucky. It actually hurt them at times. He can put the ball in the basket. There's no doubt about it. But the fact that he's undersized, with a below-average wingspan for the position, he is going to have to become what I call a technician. He is really going to have to work on NBA footwork, creating space and separation. It's all there for him because when you draft these guys nowadays, for the most part, they're NBA Silly Putty. You get to mold them with your coaching staff. You know, I like him. His NBA future to me is a lead off-the-bench scorer.?

Added Goodman: ?I think with Malik Monk, it's not being a volume guy. You know, being able to handle picking your spots in the NBA a little bit because who knows where he's going to go and how many shots he's going to get. He had a long leash in a sense for Kentucky because they needed him to score the ball, so I think it's going to be different for him, most likely, in the NBA, he's not going to come in and get 20 shots every game. So I think for him, it's just going to be consistency with his effort and with his production.?

Lastly, given his expressed disdain for the triangle and the Knicks? emphasis of the offense, Fraschilla was asked whether he thought Fox or Monk was a better fit in the triangle: ?I think you have to have a certain type of versatility and skill level to play in the triangle. De'Aaron is going to be able to fit most systems because of his speed,? he said. ?I mean, it just doesn't make sense to walk the ball up the court in the modern NBA into a half-court triangle set, so he's going to be able to adjust. But you do have to have a certain type of versatility in my opinion to play in the pure triangle because everybody is interchangeable; you have to play multiple positions within the triangle, and that would cater to Frank's versatility versus De'Aaron's speed in the NBA game. But again, if you're not running in the NBA and trying to get easy baskets, you're probably not a playoff team.?
 
Last edited:

mafra

Legend
The Knicks will hold a meeting with top NBA draft prospect Markelle Fultz in Chicago during the NBA Draft Combine, league sources told ESPN.

Fultz, 18, played just one season with the Washington Huskies and averaged 23.2 points, 5.7 rebounds, and 5.9 assists per game in 2016-17. He was a McDoonald's All-American ahead of his college debut in 2016 and went on to become a Third-team All-American in 2017.

He is likely to be the first overall pick in the draft, but the Knicks only have a 5.3 percent chance of picking first overall and an 18 percent chance of drawing a pick in the top three, reports Ian Begley of ESPN.

The Knicks finished with a 31-51 record in the 2016-17 season.
 

tiger0330

Legend
I said the same about Monk. He needs to be able to play the point to make it big in the NBA. 6'3" guys that can jump out of the building and can be playmakers can be studs in the NBA. A 6'3" SG is going to find it harder to make shots he made in college at the next level.

Is Fultz really participating at the combine or is he just there for interviews and private workouts for the top teams. If I was him I wouldn't workout for any team outside of the top 3. Should know next THU where the teams pick.
 

mafra

Legend
Ian Begely:

The Knicks met with Kentucky's De'Aaron Fox today in Chicago at the NBA Draft Combine, per ESPN sources. Some with NYK are big fans of Fox.
 

Broadway

All Star
Not fully enamored with Monk, other than his shooting not sure what to think of him. If we were to draft him, I wouldn't be upset but I wouldn't be overly excited either. He's kind of Avery Bradleyish to me, who is a good player but limited. I disagree with Fran...the French Kid is going to surprise and quite possibly could be the 3rd guard selected.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
I like Fox .. Smith .. Fultz .. and I'm crazy optimistic bout selecting Frank Ntilikina or Lonzo Ball ....
All the top 5 PG in the 2017 draft class are raw freshmen who need a much better level head coach than the poor head coach Hornacek we have under contract to develop into a NBA PG within a 2 to 4 season span. Hornacek would make a nice bench assistant coach to keep Knicks guards alert of the type of guard opponents they face each night.

If the Knicks had head coach Mark Jackson running the show the next 4 seasons there would be high optimism in any one of the top-5 PG the Knicks selected .. because Mark Jackson has a Dr. degree in creativity on play-maker offense/defense having 30 years NBA experience.
 

Broadway

All Star
Not that it matters to me but De'Aaron Fox is kind of dainty...

De'Aaron Fox 2017 Chicago Combine

Height 6'2.0"

Height w/shoes 6'3.3"

Wingspan 6'6.5"

Standing Reach 8'4.0"

Weight 170

Body Fat 4.5

Hand Length 8.5"

Hand Span 8.5"
 

Broadway

All Star
The player who's metrics somewhat standout for what they have up at the moment is P.J. Dozier(who played exceptional in the tourney), essentially 6'7"(6'6.8") in shoes and near 7'0"(6'11") wingspan as a point guard
 

tiger0330

Legend
I would love to walk away with a prospect like Dozier or FMIII as an additional get from this draft
Kiya likes that kid Mason. I was reading he played well in the 5 on 5 at the combine. I had my doubts about IT, so why not with one of those 2nd round picks. You never know about PJ and that triangle, plus he didn't like Larkin when he was here
 

Broadway

All Star
Kiya likes that kid Mason. I was reading he played well in the 5 on 5 at the combine. I had my doubts about IT, so why not with one of those 2nd round picks. You never know about PJ and that triangle, plus he didn't like Larkin when he was here

I love FMIII as well, Kiya may just love him more. He got some love on the early pages of this thread.

Yeah most players we're interested in probably aren't fans of the triangle. I'm reading we definitely talked to plenty prospects. Such a bizarre process in parts...FMIII was asked "how he'd like to die" by some team there...like BRUH, what? I'm hearing Jordan Bell did the most for himself by showing up to the event. We're just a few days away from some real news...exciting
 

Kiyaman

Legend
I would like to select Deonte Burton from Iowa State with the 58 pick if he still available ..
A 6.5 senior we could put at the SF/SG spot ..
 

tiger0330

Legend
I assume it will be Mills representing the Knicks at the lottery drawing on May 16. Sure wish PJ would be up there instead of Mills, maybe it'll change the Knicks luck and we get into the top 3 with him up there.
PJ said it won't be him up there but he hinted it won't be Mills either saying "it will be a surprise". Who's your guess and don't say Dolan. lol
 

Broadway

All Star
PJ said it won't be him up there but he hinted it won't be Mills either saying "it will be a surprise". Who's your guess and don't say Dolan. lol

Maybe Willy or a Knick old timer?

De'Aaron Fox gave a really good interview on NBAtv moments ago at combine, real cool kid. Supposedly he's been a "media darling"
 
Top