Official Trade Rumors Thread

[tiger0330]

Rambis said he would prefer to play Jimmer after he plays in a practice so unless its a Raptor blowout tonight I don't expect to see him play tonight.

While I have low expectations for him maybe he can be that second coming of Linsanity. Some Knick honcho said he deserved a shot and I agree.

 

[Broadway]

Rambis said he would prefer to play Jimmer after he plays in a practice so unless its a Raptor blowout tonight I don't expect to see him play tonight.

While I have low expectations for him maybe he can be that second coming of Linsanity. Some Knick honcho said he deserved a shot and I agree.

Maybe Melo will finally be that SUPERSTAR and #kprozee that ridiculous upside rookie guy last 25gms. Why look to someone like Jimmer to save us?

Doesn't matter how well Jimmer could play, we're not making the playoffs and if anything if he does this it's going to be another situation where it'll benefit the player more so than the team. Melo probably wouldn't like that.

 

[Broadway]

His back is so bad Houston couldn't even find a way to rework a deal, Detroit's like naaaaaaah take this damaged goods back and give us back our pick...lol

 

[Broadway]

lol

 

[htr10]

lol

...wait, what? Yes, the world's greatest analysts all agree that outplaying someone on our roster is virtually impossible. I like Rambis more than Fisher, but not by much.

 

[tiger0330]

It will be interesting to see what happens now that Jimmer is on the team. Does Rambis not play JG and use Jimmer, does Rambis play him as a SG instead of at the point.

I wanted the Knicks to bring him up but like I've said in other posts, I don't know how much help he's going to be. Too small for a SG, doesn't have the handle to be an NBA PG and can't defend. I also want to see if he can score around the basket like he was doing in the D-League, I don't know if he gets that floater off in the NBA.

Looks like Jimmer is not going to be the answer at PG. Rambis considers him an off guard. I don't think he gets much playing tiime under Rambis, Rambis saying Jimmer was a mgt. decision to bring him up.

Rambis also noted he doesn?t consider the 6-foot-1 Fredette?s position as a point guard in the NBA. Hence, Rambis said he could find himself in some defensive mismatches.
?He?s basically an off-guard in this league,? Rambis said. ?He?s going to have to use his speed and quickness against someone who?s a lot taller and stronger.

?He?s had some good offensive nights, there?s also nights he struggled shooting the basketball. He?s had some moments in this league. He is someone who can shoot the ball. If there?s a time we need that versatility, floor spacing, somebody very aggressive offensively, it might be something we use.??

 

[mafra]

Rambis saying that is very telling, especially given Dolan's strict media relations' edicts.

Makes you wonder... Was it a decision from the top? Dolan? Knowing team has tanked and looking for some boost to give the paying customers some excitement? Has his ears to the pavement and hears the "Jimmer" cries? Did he instruct PJ to make this happen... Hoping for another marketing bonanza ala Linsanity?

if so... They only way Rambis lets this leak is if PJ whispers such sweet nothings into his ear.

To recap, Dolan tells PJ to sign Jimmer. PJ has a bruised ego and tells Rambis that this was a management move... And that he is under no obligation to play him. Rambis, being the clueless bonehead who would like a porn pic on his public Twitter account accidentally lets this tidbit spill bc he is annoyed he is getting peppered with questions about his continued losing...

We can only hope so... This gets back to Dolan... He is irate.
Once you get on his bad side... He cuts you off. Makes life Miserable for Phil... Gives him the IT treatment: get down there and coach this mess you created. JAX declines. Buyout. We get a real Gm and Thibs!

 

[Broadway]

Rambis saying that is very telling, especially given Dolan's strict media relations' edicts.

Makes you wonder... Was it a decision from the top? Dolan? Knowing team has tanked and looking for some boost to give the paying customers some excitement? Has his ears to the pavement and hears the "Jimmer" cries? Did he instruct PJ to make this happen... Hoping for another marketing bonanza ala Linsanity?

if so... They only way Rambis lets this leak is if PJ whispers such sweet nothings into his ear.

To recap, Dolan tells PJ to sign Jimmer. PJ has a bruised ego and tells Rambis that this was a management move... And that he is under no obligation to play him. Rambis, being the clueless bonehead who would like a porn pic on his public Twitter account accidentally lets this tidbit spill bc he is annoyed he is getting peppered with questions about his continued losing...

We can only hope so... This gets back to Dolan... He is irate.
Once you get on his bad side... He cuts you off. Makes life Miserable for Phil... Gives him the IT treatment: get down there and coach this mess you created. JAX declines. Buyout. We get a real Gm and Thibs!

lol Mafra you're reaching majorly

Dolan really hasn't had any influence on this team since hiring Phil. All the history prior to sure but pulling this angle still after Phil has repeatedly gone to the media saying he's failed is scapegoating. How could Dolan know anything meaningful about Jimmer? If Dolan was meddling to this degree you best believe Phil would've walked away. Rambis would not use a porn gaff to get back at someone professionally. No one would sabotage themselves to that degree. Come on he had rough times in Minnesota under Mad Scientist Kahn never heard stuff like this when he was there?

Face it the guys we've handed the keys to simply aren't getting it done. It's really simple stuff here, not complicated to see and figure out whatsoever.

 

[mafra]

I think you misunderstood what I wrote... Far from being some Machiavellian ploy... Rambis accidentally liked a porn pic on his public Twitter account. This proves he either isn't the sharpest tool in the shed or he has puffed too much of that wacky tabacky. Whatever it is, like Fisher, the boner exhibited such poor judgement... The inability to screen oneself (which is a basic tenet and prerequisite for a professional HC)... That it's not a far leap to assume that he accidentally let leak a tidbit that PJ privately relayed to Rambis - some off the cuff remark in confidence...

Rambis getting cornered by scribes asking about his continued losing... Feeling his brash playoff or bust proclamation blowing up in his face... Kurt lets it slip about the "management" decision. iDK really... But from an org that is fanatical about what gets out to the press... This certainly raises eyebrows.

I'm not a student of NBA front offices... I don't read the prospectus nor do I study in detail their inner workings... But I am a student of the mind and human behavior... I can interpret and deduce things on my own... Connect dots... A to b.

One cannot be naive to think a billionaire, who obsesses over his toys, doesn't have peons in his ear whispering and advising. You don't think he fathoms the financial ramifications of catching D-League Lightning again, and what value a potential Jimmer-sanity might provide? You don't think he feels or hears that his guards are lousy and why not throw cow dung against the barn door?

With the LA situation, with the egos of PJ and Dolan, with the sustained losing the last 2 seasons... Come on... You and I always knew this wouldn't end well between those 2... Our petty owner has been enraged by lesser, more trite things. Phil has 1 foot out door already and when he cannot recruit a free agent this summer... He'll look for a rift or even play a mind game and foster one.

Perhaps this was the first attempt to lobby a blow? Plant the seed... Just like PJ always did with ref complaining thru the media. Who knows... Sure sounds that way to me...

Is it most likely nothing? And by management it was an innocent remark about PJ? Probably... But it's certainly in the realm of plausibility to see it another way.

 

[Broadway]

I'm not a student of NBA front offices... I don't read the prospectus nor do I study in detail their inner workings... But I am a student of the mind and human behavior... I can interpret and deduce things on my own... Connect dots... A to b.

One cannot be naive to think a billionaire, who obsesses over his toys, doesn't have peons in his ear whispering and advising. You don't think he fathoms the financial ramifications of catching D-League Lightning again, and what value a potential Jimmer-sanity might provide? You don't think he feels or hears that his guards are lousy and why not throw cow dung against the barn door.

Hogwash, because if it was like that Lin would still be here. He was the BILLION DOLLAR CASH COW REMEMBER? There's no remanining Conspiracy Theories to reach for. Yes Rambis was irresponsible with his Twitter account either with self or letting someone access it who was likewise. Irving Azoff may still be a voice in Dolan's ear but Irving did not tell Dolan to tell Phil to sign Afflalo/Lopez/UABICH/Williams/Seraphin/O'Quinn etc etc which has resulted in another disastrous season. Azoff and the cronies would not have waited until there's 25gms left to consult Dolan on bringing in the potential Lin like CashCow in Fredette if that's what he has the potential to be.


Enough with the perhaps, plausibilities, hunches in bunches of bibble babble. These are people in professional positions not getting the job done with their own shot calling. Don't get me wrong Dolan may be upset now with the results(too late though) but he's not Puppet Stringing this regime as you're trying to paint this to be. We stood pat at the deadline, if Dolan was truly back to his meddling ways something would have went down a week ago.


You best learn how to suck up results of where many placed their trust in. I was skeptical of Phil as soon as he made his first move after keeping Shannon Brown and waiving Earl Clark...he tried to give Odom a look. I knew we were going to be in trouble and those right there were most certainly non Dolan calls.

 

[Broadway]

Shook Ones!!!!

 

[mafra]

You just made my point in a way. Dolan let Lin walked bc he felt betrayed that he took the NYK offered to HOU to pry more money only to bring that increased off back to NYK.

He is petty. And could see a media leak as a personal attack. Larry Brown and Thibideau and others ran out of MSG for not abiding by Dolan's strict media rules.

I think you mistake opinion for fact. Anyway, it's really not even clear to me what your point is. I'm just saying the Rambis comment is interesting and I look forward to seeing how it plays out upstairs at MSG.

Your leap to conspiracies and something about ownership of decisions is making a mountain out of a grain of sand.

 

[Broadway]

You just made my point in a way. Dolan let Lin walked bc he felt betrayed that he took the NYK offered to HOU to pry more money only to bring that increased off back to NYK.

He is petty. And could see a media leak as a personal attack. Larry Brown and Thibideau and others ran out of MSG for not abiding by Dolan's strict media rules.

I think you mistake opinion for fact. Anyway, it's really not even clear to me what your point is. I'm just saying the Rambis comment is interesting and I look forward to seeing how it plays out upstairs at MSG.

Your leap to conspiracies and something about ownership of decisions is making a mountain out of a grain of sand.

Yeah right when there were mystery sources telling LIN to go out on the market because "WE'LL MATCH UP TO A BILLION DOLLARS"...puuuuuhhhhhhhlllllleeeeezzzeee!!!!! lol

All those analytics of how much revenue LIN could be generating for MSG brand had he remained, yet Dolan ended up spending about the same amount of money in acquiring Felton and dishing out a crap contract to Novak and a bunch of over the hill bums. So his pettiness was over money in which he still took it in the shorts financially after Lin left?

Lin wasn't brought back because Dolan let CAA agency run our team into the ground who in representing Melo as the prime client most certainly didn't care for Lin's stardom.

 

[mafra]

You really bought and believed all those articles that claimed CAA was running the Knicks? I have a bridge for sale...

 

[Broadway]

You really bought and believed all those articles that claimed CAA was running the Knicks? I have a bridge for sale...

Yeah because Chris Smith surely got signed because Dolan knew everything about basketball and figured that to be a wise investment. Then you have the ramifications of Lin not picking CAA to represent him during free agency thus positioning himself as an enemy.

But since you trying to sell bridges

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...et-powerhouse-sports-agency-control-ny-knicks

 

[mafra]

And where's all those CAA clients now? Getting us Smith was all they could do to help their top dawg Melo? Come on... Don't believe only the articles/sources you chose to believe. Or, is it only you who are allowed to infer facts based on conjecture?

 

[Broadway]

And where's all those CAA clients now? Getting us Smith was all they could do to help their top dawg Melo? Come on... Don't believe only the articles/sources you chose to believe. Or, is it only you who are allowed to infer facts based on conjecture?

No I'm better at getting facts lined up with more credible sources and I usually have more than 1. Here's another doosy for you...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/24/s...-knicks-gm-is-not-gloating-but-he-could-.html

Grunwald reportedly wanted to throw all of the Knicks' chips at Trailblazer LaMarcus Aldridge this summer. He was instead forced to trade a first round draft pick and a couple of assets to the Raptors for CAA client Andrea Bargnani, who was booed so mercilessly at home games that Toronto was considering cutting him outright. Now, Aldridge is having an MVP-caliber season as the best player on the first-place Blazers.

Phil touched all of CAA clients and either traded, fired, or reassigned them with exception to Melo. You realize everything from coach/gm-execs/players all affects how an organization gets ran..it's not mutually exclusive to any one particular

My work is done here

 

[mafra]

Like I said... I never bought into that. That just proves my point. So, it appears, Phil JAX isn't responsible for every problem with this team (we don't have this year's draft pick b/c of that trade)... Oh wait, let me guess... Phil was emailing Dolan during July 4th party and telling him to get the CAA client?

As I said, I didn't put much stock into CAA running things bc only Dolan runs the ship... Did they have a run at MSG where they exerted tremendous influence over management and decisions? Perhaps... But how long did that last... End of Walsh era to PJ? 2 years? I guess this is semantics... When I hear running things I ask myself... How long... 1 year or 10? And knowing that it wouldn't last long... I didn't buy it.

I agree with you they had influence for a moment, but you assumed that influence would shape things for years to come or was an independent variable in MsG thinking... I believed, as it came to be proven to be true, it was simply one of many dependent variables.

So... Another good job by Phil running those rats out of town???

I can post stuff too:

http://grantland.com/features/jeremy-lin-leaving-new-york-knicks-james-dolan-blundered-again/

Did Jim Dolan actually choose to let Lin walk out of spite? Wait, really?

Here?s some information by way of a source inside the Knicks organization, as first reported by the New York Daily News.

From Frank Isola: ?The Knicks were already upset with Lin for hiring a publicist without consulting with them first.?

From a ?person who has had business dealings with Dolan?: ?I don?t think this is about the money as much as it is Jim feeling that a player isn?t showing the Knicks the same loyalty they showed Lin. Don?t forget, the Knicks gave Jeremy Lin a chance. Then Jim has his basketball people telling him that Felton is every bit as good if not better than Lin so it makes the decision easier for him to make. Jim can be vindictive but sometimes that?s a good thing in the NBA.?

From Ian O?Connor of ESPN New York: ?According to a source close to the situation, Jim Dolan, a notorious grudge-holder, feels betrayed that the Harvard kid took him to school after the Knicks gave him his big shot.?


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Not to mention I could post links from about 10 different newspapers, websites, sources saying Dolan nixed deal for Lowry bc of his ego and cold feet...

Yet... You still believe JAX vetoes that deal despite possessing zero evidence. No way to argue with somebody who believes their intuition supersedes the professional opinions of those who are on the inside.

Mic drop.

 

[Broadway]

Like I said... I never bought into that. That just proves my point. So, it appears, Phil JAX isn't responsible for every problem with this team (we don't have this year's draft pick b/c of that trade)... Oh wait, let me guess... Phil was emailing Dolan during July 4th party and telling him to get the CAA client?

As I said, I didn't put much stock into CAA running things bc only Dolan runs the ship... Did they have a run at MSG where they exerted tremendous influence over management and decisions? Perhaps... But how long did that last... End of Walsh era to PH? 2 years? I guess this is semantics... When I hear running things I ask myself... How long... 1 year or 10? And knowing that it wouldn't last long... I didn't buy it.

I agree with you they had influence for a moment, but you assumed that influence would shape things for years to come or was an independent variable in MsG thinking... I believed, as it came to be proven to be true, it was simply one of many dependent variables.

So... Another good job by Phil running those rats out of town???

I can post stuff too:

http://grantland.com/features/jeremy-lin-leaving-new-york-knicks-james-dolan-blundered-again/

Did Jim Dolan actually choose to let Lin walk out of spite? Wait, really?

Here’s some information by way of a source inside the Knicks organization, as first reported by the New York Daily News.

From Frank Isola: “The Knicks were already upset with Lin for hiring a publicist without consulting with them first.”

From a “person who has had business dealings with Dolan”: “I don’t think this is about the money as much as it is Jim feeling that a player isn’t showing the Knicks the same loyalty they showed Lin. Don’t forget, the Knicks gave Jeremy Lin a chance. Then Jim has his basketball people telling him that Felton is every bit as good if not better than Lin so it makes the decision easier for him to make. Jim can be vindictive but sometimes that’s a good thing in the NBA.”

From Ian O’Connor of ESPN New York: “According to a source close to the situation, Jim Dolan, a notorious grudge-holder, feels betrayed that the Harvard kid took him to school after the Knicks gave him his big shot.”


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Not to mention I could post links from about 10 different newspapers, websites, sources saying Dolan nixed deal for Lowry bc of his ego and cold feet...

Yet... You still believe JAX vetoes that deal despite possessing zero evidence. No way to argue with somebody who believes their intuition superceses the professional opinions of those who are on the inside.

Mic drop.

No you've moved the goal post and not keeping track of flow of convo. I never said CAA controlled operation for yrs upon yrs. I clearly stated they were the OBJECT of reason Lin wasn't brought back and inferred from that period on the timeline they ran the team into the ground. Then Phil picked up where they left off and is running team into the ground in a different manner.

Every individual at the very top of chain in an organization, who brings people in and/or signs the checks has some culpability(DUH!) but you can't in exchanges of convo blame Walsh and D'Antoni heavily as trying to separate the blame then double back on Dolan.

Now that Phil is here, you're trying to separate him from Dolan leaving blame primarily at the doorstep of Dolan. Nope I'm not going to agree with the inconsistency in your argument here. Phil is probably more egregious than all other GMs because he actually had an out gifted him with the Melo opt out because remember he said..."if we keep Melo we're fortunate and if we don't keep Melo we're fortunate"...implying we were not obligated to bring him back but he did


You proved my point with the Isola bit with Lin and the publicist....the execs wanted Lin to come into the CAA fold and he wouldn't. Woodson did and he lasted a little longer. They were pulling major strings then as I stated. Dolan has had almost zero influence on this team since Phil took over and the proof is really in the pudding, nothing like in yrs past.


And if it's still all Dolan(in your mind's eye) after all this time after all this turnover stop watching and rooting for this team, he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[Broadway]

The "No Trade Clause" the gift that keeps on giving