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"Those are the questions that I ask and try to envision," said Billups, who spent parts of three seasons with Anthony, in Denver and New York, and remains a close friend.

"That ball-stopping mentality that Carmelo has? He wouldn't have had that if he was a Piston," Billups said. "We wouldn't let him play like that. He would have been a much better player than he is now?and he's a great player now.

"This guy would have been," Billups said, pausing to chuckle for a moment, "he would have been an absolute icon, because winning takes you there."

The gears keep turning in Billups' head, and the alternate endings keep unfurling.

"Who even knows if LeBron would have ever gotten through us?" he said. "We probably would have had three championships...What would LeBron have been at this point? Great player, but at what point would he have been able to get through the Pistons, if Carmelo had the supporting cast of us, of this team?"
 
We'll never know how July 2010 would have looked had Anthony taken the hint and taken the short deal. He might have become the third member of the Heatles or linked up with James in New York or Chicago.

Having denied himself that chance, Anthony instead forced a trade to New York the following year, to join forces with Stoudemire.

Looking back, Anthony can only smile ruefully at the missed opportunity, the missed cues. Once James and Bosh landed with Wade on South Beach, "it was like, 'OK, they knew something,'" Anthony said, chuckling.

Knew something?

"Yeah, they plotted that," he said, still chuckling. "They plotted that."

So, why didn't they tell you?

"I guess they was telling me, in their own way: 'Take the three-year deal.'"

The quote is relayed to James, who affirms, "We were."


IT IS RARE for Anthony?talented, accomplished, immensely prideful?to publicly admit regrets, and he only hints at it now, as he considers the road not traveled. But you sense it, in offhand remarks and intonation and in the anecdotal snippets he chooses to share.

"I fell in love with his game."

"How are we going to play together?"

If he had to do it over again, you have to believe Anthony would have chosen the path that led to LeBron. And that, if the opportunity arose, he might still.

Anthony loves New York, loves the spotlight at Madison Square Garden, loves being a Knick. Despite the losing, the frustration, the backlash. But there may come a breaking point.

The Knicks' failures have become Anthony's burden, though they are not solely his responsibility. The mindless zeal of Garden officials to create a rival Big Three was poorly executed, resulting in a lineup?Anthony, Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler?that was haphazard and ultimately doomed.

The Knicks have had one meaningful season in Anthony's tenure, a 54-win campaign in 2012-13 that happened almost by accident and was clearly unsustainable even as it unfurled. They cratered the next season and are now trudging through another rebuild.

In five years as a Knick, Anthony has played with 70 teammates, for four head coaches and four heads of basketball operations. This isn't what he envisioned, though it shouldn't be surprising, either. Chaos, after all, is what the Knicks do.

Where James chose the stability of Miami and Pat Riley, Anthony tied his fate to Jim Dolan, the maladroit Knicks owner.

Where James chose Wade and Bosh, complementary co-stars, Anthony chose a Knicks team that had just rebuilt around Stoudemire, another scoring-minded forward whose game never meshed with Anthony's.

The cruel truth is that Anthony has repeatedly made career choices that put him in this bind:

? Opting for the five-year deal in 2006, instead of free agency in 2010.

? Forcing a trade to the Knicks in February 2011?a move that cost them four starters and multiple draft picks?instead of waiting to sign as a free agent that summer.

? Choosing to stay with the Knicks in 2014, rather than joining contenders in Chicago or Houston.

? And the contract he signed (a near-max $124 million over five years) has, like the deals before it, increased the difficulty of building a supporting cast.

At every turn, Anthony has chosen financial security?the most years, the most money?over flexibility and a chance to compete at a higher level.

The losing and the criticism have taken an emotional toll, though Anthony insists he is not considering a trade demand or imagining himself in other uniforms or doing anything other than trying to make the Knicks a winner again.

James is enduring his own frustrations in his second tour with Cleveland. But he is still favored to make a sixth straight trip to the Finals, while Anthony is almost certain to miss the playoffs.

Anthony is happy for James. James is concerned for Anthony. But no one is comparing statistics or trophy cases. Friends first, rivals second.

"The only thing that I care about with Melo is when I'm watching the games that he's playing, that he's playing with a smile on his face," James said. "That's it. If Melo got a haircut and a smile on his face, that's when I know he's in a good zone."

James laughed deeply. "He start growing that hair out and that beard out?he ain't feeling too good about himself.

"But when he's playing with that bounce that I've seen since he was 16, and he's playing with that smile that the New York fans see, he's very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very good," James said, his voice rising in pitch. "He's great. He's a great player, man."

All these years later, the mutual admiration remains potent. Whatever their mood, ask James about Anthony or Anthony about James, and you will get a smile, a story, a spirited endorsement.

Decisions have been made, trades forced, contracts signed, fates chosen, taking the teen stars down starkly different paths. The bond endures. The vision of a James-Anthony partnership does, too.

"I really hope that, before our career is over, we can all play together," James said. "At least one, maybe one or two seasons?me, Melo, D-Wade, CP?we can get a year in. I would actually take a pay cut to do that."

Maybe at the end of their careers, James said. Maybe sooner. One more ring chase, this time with everyone on board.

"It would be pretty cool," James said. "I've definitely had thoughts about it."

Before bounding away, he smiles and closes with a coy chirp: "We'll see."
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"I really hope that, before our career is over, we can all play together," James said. "At least one, maybe one or two seasons—me, Melo, D-Wade, CP—we can get a year in. I would actually take a pay cut to do that.",

ok LeBron.. u will take a pay cut... pretty sure dwade will too (as he did in the past), maybe cp3 will.... but Me-Lo... no way is that greedy.... (fill in your choice or words) taking less the the max ... I hope he never gets a ring...
 
Billips is wasting his talents as a commentator. He should get into coaching. Sometimes you can tell the way these guys talk and their eye for the game that they might be good as a coach.
 
Mike Conley leaving MEM? But can PJ snag him?




Article still seems heavily speculative but if he were to leave it's for Max and a chance to win, won't be here. Berger is fishing for more solid information by putting this out there. I don't see him leaving. There were similar rumors last yr about Gasol leaving initially and that he'd test the market, never happened.
 
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Depends how much Conley is worth but if he wants the max I would have a hard time paying the max for a guy thats never been an All-Star. I think teams would pay Tristan Thomson money for him but not 25M for him.


Doesn't matter what we think players are worth. Most thought Melo wasn't worth $125mil even the teams that courted him didn't give him full max offers. Nevertheless Knicks thought he was worth more than all the other rich offers, thus he remained a Knick. Memphis will do likewise with Conley as CW said their history has proven so. He ain't going anywhere

Damian Lillard got Max before being declared an All-Star. Mike Conley has far more playoff appearances and wins than Lillard.
 
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Depends how much Conley is worth but if he wants the max I would have a hard time paying the max for a guy thats never been an All-Star. I think teams would pay Tristan Thomson money for him but not 25M for him.
you have to think with a new perspective since there will be a new cap...every team will have money to sign a max player so Conley is getting that max and everyone after him that is a borderline all star will be getting 25 plus mil a year. We can't think of max money as 18 mil per year anymore...Conley will get it in a free agent class that is pretty dry.
 


Arron Afflalo did not get demoted .. Rambis still let Afflalo receive 34 minute playing-time coming off the bench.
Afflalo 2015-16 performance proved Afflalo are not a crunch-time player, nor is Afflalo talent n decision making well enough to receive 4th qtr. minutes.

Damian Lillard got Max before being declared an All-Star. Mike Conley has far more playoff appearances and wins than Lillard.
Lillard entered the NBA as a rookie 4 season ago showing super-star potential throughout rookie season as a high IQ PG .. no comparison
 
you have to think with a new perspective since there will be a new cap...every team will have money to sign a max player so Conley is getting that max and everyone after him that is a borderline all star will be getting 25 plus mil a year. We can't think of max money as 18 mil per year anymore...Conley will get it in a free agent class that is pretty dry.
Maybe and I am interested in seeing how the cap going up to ~92M affects salaries this off-season. I'm of the thinking of Stefan Bondy which you can hear below that Conley has bad contract written all over him at max money, never been an All-Star, never averaged 20ppg and is coming off an achilles injury. Anyway the Knicks have to lose AA and DWill in FA to get max cap space and I think the 26M would be more wisely spent in replacing those 2 and getting someone like Evan Turner or Collison instead of paying Conley.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/dn-sports-talk-podcast-stefan-bondy-knicks-article-1.2609676

 
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. We can't think of max money as 18 mil per year anymore...Conley will get it in a free agent class that is pretty dry.

when was 'max-money' 18m??? - 10years ago???... we signed Me-Lo for almost max $$$ 25m per (give or take).. thanks Me-Lo for the discount
 
Looks like PJ thinks like me according to this report that the Knicks would not pursue Mike Conley for max money.

Knicks not Keen on Offering Grizzlies? Mike Conley a Max Contract in Free Agency: Report
April 26th, 2016 at 12:19 PM
By Douglas Rush

A few months ago, it had seemed like a foregone conclusion that the New York Knicks were going to make a run at Memphis Grizzlies point guard Mike Conley and offer him a max contract in free agency to leave the Memphis Grizzlies and run the offense at Madison Square Garden.

Conley will be one of the two best point guards on the market once the summer hits and free agency starts in July, but things have changed since the Knicks were once reported to being interested in Conley.

For one, the Achilles injury that popped up late in the season and put Conley on the bench for the remainder of the season and helped lead to a first round sweep of the Grizzlies by the San Antonio Spurs in the postseason.

The other is Phil Jackson's need for a top tier point guard in the NBA, or should we say, a lack of one, as he's not as hard-driven to landing one to run the triangle offense. Not to mention, the Knicks did give Tony Wroten a three-year deal before the end of the season and he should be healthy for the start of of next year, so he's there, whereas a few months ago, he was still on the Philadelphia 76ers roster. So that has changed.

And because these reasons, it's why the Knicks aren't keen on making Conley a max offer come July, as per Marc Berman of the New York Post.

"The Knicks desperately need backcourt help in free agency, but their interest in overpaying Conley, who likely will seek a maximum contract, is not as keen as it was earlier this season. Former Knicks coach Derek Fisher championed Conley, a fellow southpaw point guard from Arkansas. Team president Phil Jackson views his triangle offense not as dependent on a traditional point guard. In fact, Jackson said in March, likely referring to Rajon Rondo and Conley: ?Chasing a point guard, where it becomes just an obsession, isn?t necessary. It?s not necessary. We can play the game without that.? In addition, Conley, who led the league in assist-to-turnover ratio but has never been an All-Star, was shut down March 6 with a mysterious Achilles tendon injury ? a potential red flag. Plus, Jackson still has high hopes for point guard Tony Wroten, a big penetrator whom he signed in March, and improving rookie Jerian Grant. Wroten is rehabbing from an ACL tear but the Knicks are crossing their fingers that, once healthy, he could vie for the starting position."

Before the Knicks can do anything in regards to offering Conley anything, and that's only if they still want to, both Arron Afflalo and Derrick Williams would have to not have their salaries on the roster and become free agents; something that may be possible if Kurt Rambis stays as the head coach.

But even then, it is enough for Jackson to still want to pursue Conley, whom could still re-sign with the Grizzlies; they are seen as the front runners to retain his services through all of this.

But even if Conley leaves town, him going to Madison Square Garden and running the offense with Carmelo Anthony and Kristaps Porzingis doesn't seem like the sure thing it once seemed like.
 
Not worth it... Be better off trying to trade for Collison or Teague.

Looks like Phil met with Blatt. Decision boiling down to Blatt or Rambis.
 
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Kings exploring trading Boogie. I'd say the Clips could use him because DJ will never be a guy that can carry a team by himself if CP3 or Blake go down like what happened this playoffs, Boogie can give them the scoring that DJ can't.

Boston has the assets to get him and if his former teammate Isaiah Thomas embraces him he could go there.

 
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