Knicks Summer League 2015

Steve Mills on air during SL game tonight.... just admitted that because the Knicks had no shot to get one of the other 2 bigs they turned their attention to Kristaps.

So I repeat once again if there were so many scouts that said Kristaps has the most potential to be the best player in the draft then why did we still yearn for Oakfor and Towns?

Mills also admitted something else in regards to free agency which I'll place in the other thread.
 
This kid Ndour opened some eyes with his strong first game. Got the start in game 2 and is playing well, I would expect he gets a camp invite.

Ante looks to be headed to Europe if he can get a contract.
 
Broadway said:
Steve Mills on air during SL game tonight.... just admitted that because the Knicks had no shot to get one of the other 2 bigs they turned their attention to Kristaps.

So I repeat once again if there were so many scouts that said Kristaps has the most potential to be the best player in the draft then why did we still yearn for Oakfor and Towns?

Mills also admitted something else in regards to free agency which I'll place in the other thread.
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It really is amazing to me how you, and some others, fail to understand what I've been saying... And what's practically universally agreed upon.... Jeff Van Gundy, Fran, Wojo, Stein, and just about every industry insider were unanimous in their praise for Porz's potential. Saying he has the most upside, highest ceiling, might be best talent in draft, or whatever cliche isn't saying he should be taken 1st, 2nd, or whatever... It just said the kid was a top 10, or top 5 pick...

Clearly, the line of demarcation in this draft was 3/4... KAT, Okafor, Russell were the top tier 1-3 choices... That is obvious, and I'm not sure how many more times, or how morenconcisely I can put it...

There was also universal agreement that this was the deepest draft since 2003... And that there were plenty of talented prospects... And maybe even 5 franchise players in this draft. After the top 3, there was a 2nd and 3rd tier of players, all celebrated by some for whatever reason...

I haven't heard one NBA scout, executive, or insider state emphatically that 1 player (after the top 3) was the "obvious" choice at 4. Actually, B4 the draft, some even declared Porz the interesting choice at 4 but that NYK wouldnt dare take him risking negative fan reaction. We were linked to about 12 different players (and MIA was ready to pounce on Grant at 10, but Winslow feel in their lap... Does this mean we drafted 2 top ten prospects?)

why is this so hard to comprehend, folks?

the only reason some talking idiot heads on radio/tv bashed the pick was b/c they thought the pick wasnt wise bc we are all-in to win with max melo...

based on talent and potential... After KAT-Okafor-Russell... Porzingis was regarded as a viable and even wise selection in the 4-10 range. We decided he was worthy, and liked him more than the rest... I felt Mudiay should have been the pick, that this was probably a top 4 then the rest lottery... But I am over it and dont feel we reached and went crazy overvaluing and overhyping some obscure Waldo.

i am not hyping the kid up at all, just repeating everything that was said about him... It's not like the draft we got stuck with jordan hill. I know porz will be a good player in the nba... I also am aware there was no obvious choice after the top 3, and if nobody traded up to get Porz.... That tells me nada... After all, nobody offered us a ton to trade up for Mudiay.

After the top 3 were gone, I could care less what direction we went... As a fan, of course I will look for the bright side... Life's too short to be driven mad by these trite things. I laugh how some of you think you know so much... By your logic, why aren't any of you employed by nba teams toconsult on these matters? Does the absence of evidence suggest the contrary?

Show me one scout or exec who went on record saying NYK drafted the wrong player, based on their belief a more obvious talent was still on the board. If we draft Mario, is that only justified bc ORL wanted him?
 
Jerian is outplaying Russell. Alex Kirk is our best big at the moment. He might deserve to make the team. He was thrown away in the OKC/Cleveland deal and we managed to get him back. Maybe just maybe he needs a long look.
 
Broadway said:
Russell clearly looks like he's meeting that highly likely "BUST" potential. Man he's been bad in every game.
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It's funny, b/c if HS players could jump directly into NBA, the debate last year would be what HS player gets taken first: Okafor or Mudiay. Wasnt sure why... Only 12 months later... Russell and/or KAT jumped ahead... OK, Towns, maybe, b/c of his size... But DR?

this was main reason why I felt we should just take Mudiay. Why over think it... Is it just Brandon Jennings or is it Wall? Who knows, but if you're wrong at least you went with the sound choice.
 
mafra said:
Show me one scout or exec who went on record saying NYK drafted the wrong player, based on their belief a more obvious talent was still on the board. If we draft Mario, is that only justified bc ORL wanted him?
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I don't think it mattered from media/scout perception who we picked at 4. I think for the most part everyone wants to big up Phil if they feel he gives them a reason to do so. Had we picked WCS the narrative might have slightly changed but we'd be going overboard about his defensive versatility and how he might change the game in the millennial generation.

I do feel had Porz slipped to 7(Denver) no one would be hyping him as much as we are trying to do now. Also scouts can be just as wrong as you or I on a message board. I mean D-Russell was touted as the best point guard in the draft...and thus far in SL he neither looks like a point guard and he's looked like trash in general.

It's only SL and his career is far from over but I could give a rats arse about some untold number of unknown/unnamed scouts this... scouts that.....Unless it's someone like Jerry West, Brendan Suhr, Larry Brown, Bill Russell, Isiah Thomas etc etc then it doesn't hold the kind of weight some want it to.
 
lol @ Walt Frazier during the telecast tonight on how the draft went and Philly taking Okafor


Breen..."Well I'm sad for Embid's injury really wanted to see him play this yr, it resulted in Philly taking Okafor"

Clyde..."Well I'm mad too because it cost us Okafor"


Clyde officially not sold on #kporzee just yet
 
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Broadway said:
Russell clearly looks like he's meeting that highly likely "BUST" potential. Man he's been bad in every game.
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Yeah, Russell does not look that good. I believe there were concerns about how he played at Ohio State against teams that were actually good. Plus, Ohio State does have its track record of draft busts - Evan Turner, Greg Oden, and so on.

Russell simply might not have the PG skills necessary to play the 1 in the NBA. Which is...fine, but a backcourt player with no PG skills and no athleticism isn't exactly a hot commodity nowadays
 
People suspected that the worst thing for either the Lakers or the Knicks was moving up in the lottery because it gave them too many choices and neither of these franchises have shown themselves to be great decision makers lately. I will laugh my butt off at that clip of Byron Scott winking at Steve Mills at the draft lottery pick selection if Russell is a bust and Porzingis ends up solid.

That said, after only 2 summer games, I would not be worried about Russell.
 
htr10 said:
People suspected that the worst thing for either the Lakers or the Knicks was moving up in the lottery because it gave them too many choices and neither of these franchises have shown themselves to be great decision makers lately. I will laugh my butt off at that clip of Byron Scott winking at Steve Mills at the draft lottery pick selection if Russell is a bust and Porzingis ends up solid.

That said, after only 2 summer games, I would not be worried about Russell.
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Mitch Kupchak has been doing this successfully for a long time. He jumped Russell over Okafor because he saw "star" potential in this kid, I doubt he is that wrong about Russell that he goes from star to bust over 3 summer league games.
 
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tiger0330 said:
Mitch Kupchak has been doing this successfully for a long time. He jumped Russell over Okafor because he saw "star" potential in this kid, I doubt he is that wrong about Russell that he goes from star to bust over 3 summer league games.
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Yeah as I said too early to right him off but he should not be averaging 7-8TOs in SL with very little else to add to it. Heck Randle didn't look that good either although you can tell if he slows down, he's gonna be a load to deal with. Russell also has come across real ****y in particular in the social media area. Maybe he's been humbled and he'll get back to the basics of what makes him good and fine tune, then expand from there.

Larry Nance Jr. has been their best rookie,,,btw this will be Randle's Rookie Season

Only reason I'm bringing up the BUST talk because just like Mitch Kup...ESPN has built a team analytical model(SCHOENE) to project out and a individual player Ratings System...And of late these models have been real accurate in many respects. Russell better get it together, Lakers aren't really trying to wait, to be good.
 
Broadway said:
lol @ Walt Frazier during the telecast tonight on how the draft went and Philly taking Okafor


Breen..."Well I'm sad for Embid's injury really wanted to see him play this yr, it resulted in Philly taking Okafor"

Clyde..."Well I'm mad too because it cost us Okafor"


Clyde officially not sold on #kporzee just yet
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Just b/c I pine for Scarlet J, doesn't mean I don't love my life... I WAS ecstatic when LAK took Russell, then disappointed when PHILLY took Okafor (punched in the gut like when GSW stole Curry right when I thought he fell in our lap). Nobody is drafting PORZ ahead of Okafor. I heard Clyde on Michael K show say at 4, Porz just as good a pick any prospect left on the board.
 
Broadway said:
This is gonna burn for a while, because he looks better than maybe even I thought he was

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Yeah, I think most people who followed all the Mudiay news prior to the draft were thinking that this kid was going to be real good. Not sure what soured our front office on him, but he seemed to never be in the conversation for us because of fit with the triangle. Still, as others have said, I'm okay with Porzingis plus Grant because I'm not sure what big man we could have gotten at the spot we got Grant if we had gone Mudiay instead at 4.
 
htr10 said:
Yeah, I think most people who followed all the Mudiay news prior to the draft were thinking that this kid was going to be real good. Not sure what soured our front office on him, but he seemed to never be in the conversation for us because of fit with the triangle. Still, as others have said, I'm okay with Porzingis plus Grant because I'm not sure what big man we could have gotten at the spot we got Grant if we had gone Mudiay instead at 4.
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We could have gone with Bobby Portis/RHJ/Looney/LNJr or maybe even asked for Mike Muscala
 
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